HC Deb 23 February 1972 vol 831 cc1280-1
35. Sir G. Nabarro

asked the Minister for the Civil Service by how many persons the strength of the Civil Service diminished from 1st July, 1970, to 31st December, 1971.

The Parliamentary Secretary to the Civil Service Department (Mr. David Howell)

As I told my hon. Friend on 1st December we have made reductions in staff but these have been counterbalanced by increases required mainly to meet growth in population, more widespread social benefit payments, higher requirements for prison personnel and arrears of work in the Inland Revenue.

Sir G. Nabarro

Has my hon. Friend perceived that I have frequently had occasion to rebuke him for his lethargy and indifference in honouring election pledges, which were twofold: first, to indulge in open government, whereas all bureaucrats are introverted; and, secondly, to reduce the size and scope of the bureaucracy, whereas my hon. Friend continuously encourages the expansion of the bureaucracy? Is there any danger that we shall see some results shortly?

Mr. Howell

I certainly perceive my hon. Friend's constant interest in this question. If there are certain areas where he believes there should be fewer staff, and if he is against the increases which I have mentioned, I am sure that his views on particular activities which could be cut will be very welcome indeed, and he should put them forward.

Mr. Kelley

Will the hon. Gentleman tell us whether possible entry into Europe has in any way inhibited the retention of staff who will be required to meet the consequences of such entry, and whether a proper estimate has been made of the staff required to introduce the value-added tax?

Mr. Howell

That is rather a different question, but if I get the hon. Gentleman's meaning aright the answer is that it has not inhibited it.

Mr. Sydney Chapman

While appreciating that the numbers have fallen and the welcome reasons in certain sections for that, may I ask my hon. Friend to publish a list of the Departments in which the numbers have fallen since 1st July, 1970?

Mr. Howell

It has already been published.