HC Deb 25 October 1971 vol 823 cc1217-9
27. Mr. Dormand

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether he will give a general direction to the electricity boards to exempt old-age pensioners from payment of the minimum quarterly charge made by the boards.

Sir J. Eden

No, Sir. Area electricity boards tariffs are the responsibility of the boards in consultation with their consultative councils and the Electricity Council.

Mr. Dormand

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that that is a very unsatisfactory reply and one which is typical of the meanness of this Government? Is he further aware that many old people experience great hardship in paying minimum quarterly charges of this kind, especially those who are deliberately sparing in their use of electricity? Is he aware, finally, of the anomalous position which is created, and which destroys the Government's argument, when some boards make the minimum charge while others do not?

Sir J. Eden

The hon. Gentleman overlooks the fact that boards are required by statute not to show undue preference to any class of consumer. The problem of pensioners is one for the level of pensions themselves. As the hon. Gentleman knows, pensions were increased in September of this year.

Dame Irene Ward

But is my hon. Friend aware that his replies are very unsatisfactory, in view of the fact that the electricity suppliers intend to put up their prices, which will result in the very old and the infirm being unable to get sufficient heating? If my hon. Friend cannot do anything under the statute, would he like me to introduce a Private Member's Bill so that we can help the old in this connection, because the situation is absolutely disastrous?

Sir J. Eden

I understand what my hon. Friend says about the position of elderly people, especially those whose incomes are limited. The fact remains that the electricity boards have to meet their costs, and they are not allowed by statute to show undue preference to any class of consumer. I am sure that the right way to deal with the position of pensioners is by means of the various pensions increase arrangements, and not by this means.

Mr. Blenkinsop

As the Government impose this financial requirement on the electricity and other boards, why is the Minister not prepared to state now that he is willing to bring in legislation to alter the position?

Dame Irene Ward

No, I will do that.

Sir J. Eden

It is a matter for the boards to determine how their tariffs are best designed to reflect their costs. It is a fact that seven out of the 12 boards have already introduced a minimum quarterly charge.