HC Deb 15 November 1971 vol 826 cc169-77

Queen's Recommendation having been signified

Motion made, and Question put, That, for the purposes of any Act of the present Session to introduce a new system of housing subsidies for housing authorities, to provide for rent rebate and rent allowance schemes administered by housing authorities, to amend the law about rents of dwellings and in particular those subject to the Rent Act 1968 or provided by housing authorities, and to make other provision as to housing finance, it is expedient to authorise payments out of money provided by Parliament as follows:—

1. Housing subsidies for local authorities as follows:—

  1. A. Residual subsidy, that is an annually reducing sum based on the housing subsidies received for 1971–72.
  2. B. Transition subsidy, that is the percentage specified below of the amount by which additional rent income falls short of a specified amount.
  3. C. Rising costs subsidy, that is the percentage specified below of the increase in reckonable expenditure.
  4. D. Operational deficit subsidy, that is an amount determined by reference to the contributions made by a local authority to their 170 Housing Revenue Account for 1970–71 and 1971–72, or by reference to their expenditure for 1970–71 and 1971–72.
  5. E. Rent rebate subsidy, that is the percentage specified below of an amount determined by reference to a standard amount of rent rebates for unfurnished lettings.
  6. F. Rent allowance subsidy, that is the percentage specified below of an amount determined by reference to a standard amount of rent allowances for unfurnished lettings.
  7. G. Town development subsidy, that is 25 per cent. of any amount paid by a sending authority to a receiving authority under the provisions of the said Act of the present Session in respect of tenants from the sending authority.
  8. H. Slum clearance subsidy, that is 75 per cent. of the amount of the loss incurred in or in connection with the exercise of slum clearance functions.

The said percentages shall be—

Transition subsidy 90 per cent. for the first year.
Rising costs subsidy 85 per cent. for the second year.
Rent rebate subsidy 80 per cent. for the third year.
75 per cent. for the next 7 years.
Rent allowance subsidy For the first 4 years 100 per cent. and for the next 6 years 80 per cent., or such greater percentage as may be determined by the Secretary of State.

2. Housing subsidies for new town bodies, which shall be the following four of those for local authorities.

  1. A. Residual subsidy.
  2. B. Transition subsidy.
  3. C. Rising costs subsidy.
  4. D. Rent rebate subsidy.

3. Housing subsidies for housing associations or the Housing Corporation as set out below.

  1. A. Basic residual subsidy, that is an annually reducing sum based on the housing subsidies received for 1971–72.
  2. B. Special residual subsidy, that is an annually reducing sum based on the housing subsidies which would be receivable for 1972–73 or 1973–74 but for the proposed repeal of Part I of the Housing Subsidies Act 1967.
  3. C. New building subsidy, that is ninety per cent. or less of the initial deficit incurred on any new building scheme approved by the Secretary of State.

4. Special payments for any housing association which, under the said Act of the present Session, is treated to any extent as, or as an agent of, a local authority.

5. Payments by the Secretary of State— (a) in respect of any advisory committee on rent rebates or allowances,

(b) in respect of any committees to assist in determining fair rents for housing authority dwellings, (c) to a local authority by reference to any surplus in their Housing Revenue Account, (d) by way of lump sum payments made instead of certain annual payments under the Housing, Ac. Act 1923 or Section 13 or Section 46 of the Housing (Financial Provisions) Act 1958, or (e) in discharge of any administrative expenses.

6. Any payment out of money provided by Parliament attributable to any provision of the said Act of the present Session authorising modifications or adaptations of other provisions of the Act where there is a change of local authorities or local government areas, or a transfer of local authority housing functions, or of property held for those functions, or attributable to any provision authorising the extension of the said Act to the Isles of Scilly.

7. Any increase attributable to the said Act of the present Session in payments out of money provided by Parliament under any other Act.

And that it is expedient to authorise any payment into the Consolidated Fund.—[Mr. Patrick Jenkin.]

The House divided: Ayes 290, Noes 264.

Division No. 9.] AYES [10.25 p.m.
Adley, Robert Carr, Rt. Hn. Robert Finsberg, Geoffrey (Hampstead)
Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash) Channon, Paul Fisher, Nigel (Surbiton)
Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead) Chapman, Sydney Fletcher-Cooke, Charles
Amery, Rt. Hn. Julian Chataway, Rt. Hn. Christopher Fookes, Miss Janet
Archer, Jeffrey (Louth) Chichester-Clark, R. Fortescue, Tim
Astor, John Churchill, W. S. Foster, Sir John
Atkins, Humphrey Clark, William (Surrey, E.) Fowler, Norman
Awdry, Daniel Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Fox, Marcus
Baker, Kenneth (St. Marylebone) Clegg, Walter Fraser, Rt. Hn. Hugh (St'fford & Stone)
Baker, W. H. K. (Banff) Cockeram, Eric Fry, Peter
Balniel, Lord Cooke, Robert Galbraith, Hn. T. G.
Batsford, Brian Coombs, Derek Gardner, Edward
Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton Cooper, A. E. Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.)
Bell, Ronald Cordle, John Glyn, Dr. Alan
Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torquay) Corfield, Rt. Hn. Frederick Godber, Rt. Hn. J. B.
Bennett, Dr. Reginald (Gosport) Cormack, Patrick Goodhart, Philip
Benyon, W. Costain, A. P. Gorst, John
Berry, Hn. Anthony Critchley, Julian Gower, Raymond
Biffen, John Crouch, David Grant, Anthony (Harrow, C.)
Biggs-Davison, John Crowder, F. P. Gray, Hamish
Blaker, Peter Davies, Rt. Hn. John (Knutsford) Green, Alan
Boardman, Tom (Leicester, S. W.) d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir Henry Grieve, Percy
Body, Richard d'Avigdor-Goldsmld, Maj.-Gen. James Grylls, Michael
Boscawen, Robert Dean, Paul Gummer, Selwyn
Bossom, Sir Clive Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. Gurden, Harold
Bowden, Andrew Digby, Simon Wingfield Hall, Miss Joan (Keighley)
Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. John Dixon, Piers Hall, John (Wycombe)
Braine, Bernard Dodds-Parker, Douglas Hall-Davis, A. G. F.
Brinton, Sir Tatton Drayson, G. B. Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury)
Brocklebank-Fowler, Christopher du Cann, Rt. Hn. Edward Hannam, John (Exeter)
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) Dykes, Hugh Harrison, Brian (Maldon)
Bruce-Gardyne, J. Eden, Sir John Harrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye)
Bryan, Paul Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) Haselhurst, Alan
Buchanan-Smith, Alick (Angus, N&M) Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton) Hastings, Stephen
Buck, Antony Emery, Peter Havers, Michael
Bullus, Sir Eric Eyre, Reginald Hawkins, Paul
Burden, F. A. Farr, John Hay, John
Butler, Adam (Bosworth) Fell, Anthony Hayhoe, Barney
Campbell, Rt. Hn. G. (Moray & Nairn) Fenner, Mrs. Peggy Heseltine, Michael
Carlisle, Mark Fidler, Michael Higgins, Terence L.
Hiley, Joseph Moate, Roger Scott-Hopkins, James
Hill, John E. B. (Norfolk, S.) Molyneaux, James Sharples, Richard
Hill, James (Southampton, Test) Money, Ernie Shelton, William (Clapham)
Holland, Philip Monks, Mrs. Connie Simeons, Charles
Holt, Miss Mary Monro, Hector Sinclair, Sir George
Hornby, Richard Montgomery, Fergus Skeet, T. H. H.
Hornsby-Smlth, Rt. Hn. Dame Patricia More, Jasper Smith, Dudley (W'wick & L'mington)
Howe, Hn. Sir Geoffrey (Reigate) Morgan, Geraint (Denbigh) Soref, Harold
Howell, David (Guildford) Morgan-Giles, Rear-Adm. Spence, John
Howell, Ralph (Norfolk, N.) Morrison, Charles Sproat, Iain
Hunt, John Mudd, David Stainton, Keith
Hutchison, Michael Clark Murton, Oscar Stanbrook, Ivor
Iremonger, T. L. Nabarro, Sir Gerald Stewart-Smith, Geoffrey (Belper)
Irvine, Bryant Godman (Rye) Neave, Airey Stodart, Anthony (Edinburgh, W.)
James, David Nicholls, Sir Harmar Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M.
Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford) Noble, Rt. Hn. Michael Stokes, John
Jessel, Toby Normanton, Tom Stuttaford, Dr. Tom
Johnson Smith, G. (E. Grinstead) Sutcliffe, John
Jones, Arthur (Northants, S.) Nott, John Tapsell, Peter
Kaberry, Sir Donald Onslow, Cranley Taylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne)
Kellett-Bowman, Mrs. Elaine Oppenheim, Mrs. Sally Taylor, Edward M. (G'gow, Cathcart)
Kershaw, Anthony Orr, Capt. L. P. S. Taylor, Frank (Moss Side)
Kilfedder, James Osborn, John Taylor, Robert (Croydon, N. W.)
Kimball, Marcus Owen, Idris (Stockport, N.) Tebbit, Norman
King, Tom (Bridgwater) Page, Graham (Crosby) Thomas, John Stradling (Monmouth)
Kinsey, J. R. Page, John (Harrow, W.) Thomas, Rt. Hn. Peter (Hendon, S.)
Kitson, Timothy Parkinson, Cecil Thompson, Sir Richard (Croydon, S.)
Knight, Mrs. Jill Percival, Ian Tilney, John
Knox, David Peyton, Rt. Hn. John Trafford, Dr. Anthony
Lambton, Antony Pink, R. Bonner Trew, Peter
Lane, David Pounder, Rafton Tugendhat, Christopher
Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry Powell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch Turton, Rt. Hn. Sir Robin
Le Marchant, Spencer Price, David (Eastleigh) van Straubenzee, W. R.
Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) Prior, Rt. Hn. J. M. L. Vaughan, Dr. Gerard
Lloyd, Rt. Hn. Geoffrey (Sut'n C'dfield) Proudfoot, Wilfred Vickers, Dame Joan
Longden, Gilbert Pym, Rt. Hn. Francis Waddington, David
Loveridge, John Quennell, Miss J. M. Walder, David (Clitheroe)
McAdden, Sir Stephen Raison, Timothy Walker, Rt. Hn. Peter (Worcester)
MacArthur, Ian Ramsden, Rt. Hn. James Walker-Smith, Rt. Hn. Sir Derek
McCrindle, R. A. Redmond, Robert Wall, Patrick
Maclean, Sir Fitzroy Reed, Laurance (Bolton, E.) Walters, Dennis
McMaster, Stanley Rees, Peter (Dover) Ward, Dame Irene
Macmillan, Maurice (Farnham) Rees-Davies, W. R. Warren, Kenneth
McNair-Wilson, Michael Renton, Rt. Hn. Sir David Weatherill, Bernard
McNair-Wilson, Patrick (NewForest) Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon Wells, John (Maidstone)
Maddan, Martin Ridley, Hn. Nicholas White, Roger (Gravesend)
Madel, David Ridsdale, Julian Whitelaw, Rt. Hn. William
Maginnis, John E. Rippon, Rt. Hn. Geoffrey Wiggin, Jerry
Marples, Rt. Hn. Ernest Roberts, Michael (Cardiff, N.) Wilkinson, John
Marten, Neil Robert, Wyn (Conway) Winterton, Nicholas
Mather, Carol Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks) Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick
Maude, Angus Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) Woodnutt, Mark
Maudling, Rt. Hn. Reginald Rost, Peter Worsley, Marcus
Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J. Royle, Anthony Wylie, Rt. Hn. N. R.
Meyer, Sir Anthony Russell, Sir Ronald
Mills, Stratton (Belfast, N.) St. John-Stevas, Norman TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Miscampbell, Norman Sandys, Rt. Hn. D. Mr. Victor Goodhew and
Mitchell, Lt.-Col. C. (Aberdeenshire, W) Scott, Nicholas Mr. Michael Jopling.
Mitchell, David (Basingstoke)
Abse, Leo Brown, Hugh D. (G'gow, Provan) Cunningham, G. (Islington, S. W.)
Albu, Austen Brown, Ronald (Shoreditch & F'bury) Cunningham, Dr. J. A. (Whitehaven)
Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.) Buchan, Norman Darling, Rt. Hn. George
Allen, Scholefield Buchanan, Richard (G'gow, Sp'burn) Davidson, Arthur
Archer, Peter (Rowley Regis) Butler, Mrs. Joyce (Wood Green) Davies, Denzil (Llanelly)
Armstrong, Ernest Callaghan, Rt. Hn. James Davies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.)
Ashley, Jack Campbell, I. (Dunbartonshire, W.) Davies, Ifor (Gower)
Atkinson, Norman Cant, R. B. Davis, Clinton (Hackney, C.)
Bagier, Gordon A. T. Carmichael, Neil Davis, Terry (Bromsgrove)
Barnes, Michael Carter, Ray (Birmingham, Northfield) Deakins, Eric
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) Carter-Jones, Lewis (Eccles) de Freitas, Rt. Hn. Sir Geoffrey
Barnett, Joel (Heywood and Royton) Clark, David (Colne Valley) Delargy, H. J.
Baxter, William Cocks, Michael (Bristol, S.) Dell, Rt. Hn. Edmund
Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony Wedgwood Cohen, Stanley Doig, Peter
Bennett, James (Glasgow, Bridgeton) Coleman, Donald Dormand, J. D.
Bishop, E. S. Concannon, J. D. Douglas, Dick (Stirlingshire, E.)
Blenkinsop, Arthur Corbet, Mrs. Freda Douglas-Mann, Bruce
Boardman, H. (Leigh) Cox, Thomas (Wandsworth, C.) Driberg, Tom
Booth, Albert Crawshaw, Richard Duffy, A. E. P.
Bottomley, Rt. Hn. Arthur Cronin, John Dunn, James A.
Broughton, Sir Alfred Crosland, Rt. Hn. Anthony Dunnett, Jack
Brown, Bob (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne, W.) Crossman, Rt. Hn. Richard Eadie, Alex
Edelman, Maurice Kerr, Russell Prentice, Rt. Hn. Reg.
Edwards, Robert (Bilston) Kinnock, Neil Prescott, John
Edwards, William (Merioneth) Lambie, David Price, J. T. (Westhoughton)
Ellis, Tom Lamond, James Price, William (Rugby)
English, Michael Latham, Arthur Probert, Arthur
Evans, Fred Lawson, George Rankin, John
Ewing, Harry Leadbitter, Ted Rees, Merlyn (Leeds, S.)
Faulds, Andrew Leonard, Dick Rhodes, Geoffrey
Fernyhough, Rt. Hn. E. Lestor, Miss Joan Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Fisher, Mrs. Doris (B'ham, Ladywood) Lever, Rt. Hn. Harold Roberts, Rt. Hn. Goronwy (Caernarvon)
Fitch, Alan (Wigan) Lewis, Arthur (W. Ham, N.) Robertson, John (Paisley)
Fletcher, Raymond (Ilkeston) Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) Roderick, Caerwyn E. (Br'c'n & R'dnor)
Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) Lipton, Marcus Rodgers, William (Stockton-on-Tees)
Foley, Maurice Lomas, Kenneth Roper, John
Foot, Michael Loughlin, Charles Rose, Paul B.
Ford, Ben Lyon, Alexander W. (York) Ross, Rt. Hn. William (Kilmarnock)
Forrester, John Lyons, Edward (Bradford, E.) Sandelson, Neville
Fraser, John (Norwood) Mabon, Dr. J. Dickson Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-under-Lyne)
Freeson, Reginald McBride, Neil Shore, Rt. Hn. Peter (Stepney)
Galpern, Sir Myer McCann, John Short, Rt. Hn. Edward (N'c'tle-u-Tyne)
Garrett, W. E. McCartney, Hugh Short, Mrs. Renée (W'hampton, N. E.)
Gilbert, Dr. John McElhone, Frank Silkin, Rt. Hn. John (Deptford)
Ginsburg, David (Dewsbury) McGuire, Michael Silkin, Hn. S. C. (Dulwich)
Golding, John Mackenzie, Gregor Sillars, James
Gordon Walker, Rt. Hn. P. C. Mackie, John Silverman, Julius
Gourlay, Harry Mackintosh, John P. Skinner, Dennis
Grant, George (Morpeth) Maclennan, Robert Small, William
Grant, John D. (Islington, E.) McMillan, Tom (Glasgow, C.) Smith, John (Lanarkshire, N.)
Griffiths, Eddie (Brightside) McNamara, J. Kevin Spearing, Nigel
Griffiths, Will (Exchange) Mahon, Simon (Bootle) Spriggs, Leslie
Hamilton, James (Bothwell) Mallalieu, E. L. (Brigg) Stallard, A. W.
Hamilton, William (Fife, W.) Mallalieu, J. P. W. (Huddersfield, E.) Steel, David
Hamling, William Marks, Kenneth Stewart, Donald (Western Isles)
Hannan, William (G'gow, Maryhill) Marquand, David Stewart, Rt. Hn. Michael (Fulham)
Hardy, Peter Marsden, F. Stoddart, David (Swindon)
Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) Marshall, Dr. Edmund Stonehouse, Rt. Hn. John
Hart, Rt. Hn. Judith Mason, Rt. Hn. Roy Strang, Gavin
Hattersley, Roy Mayhew, Christopher Strauss, Rt. Hn. G. R.
Healey, Rt. Hn. Denis Meacher, Michael Swain, Thomas
Heffer, Eric S. Mellish, Rt. Hn. Robert Taverne, Dick
Hooson, Emlyn Mendelson, John Thomas, Rt. Hn. George (Cardiff, W.)
Horam, John Mikardo, Ian Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery)
Houghton, Rt. Hn. Douglas Millan, Bruce Thomson, Rt. Hn. G. (Dundee, E.)
Howell, Denis (Small Heath) Miller, Dr. M. S. Thorpe, Rt. Hn. Jeremy
Huckfield, Leslie Milne, Edward Tinn, James
Hughes, Rt. Hn. Cledwyn (Anglesey) Tomney, Frank
Hughes, Mark (Durham) Mitchell, R. C. (S'hampton, Itchen) Torney, Tom
Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen, N.) Molloy, William Tuck, Raphael
Hughes, Roy (Newport) Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) Urwin, T. W.
Hunter, Adam Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) Varley, Eric
Irvine, Rt. Hn. Sir Arthur (Edge Hill) Morris, Rt. Hn. John (Aberavon) Walden, Brian (B'm'ham, All Saints)
Janner, Greville Moyle, Roland Wallace, George
Jay, Rt. Hn. Douglas Murray, Ronald King Watkins, David
Jeger, Mrs. Lena Oakes, Gordon Weitzman, David
Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) Ogden, Eric Wellbeloved, James
Jenkins, Rt. Hn. Roy (Stechford) O'Halioran, Michael Wells, William (Walsall, N.)
John, Brynmor O'Malley, Brian White, James (Glasgow, Pollok)
Johnson, Carol (Lewisham, S.) Orbach, Maurice Whitehead, Phillip
Johnson, James (K'ston-on-Hull, W.) Owen, Dr. David (Plymouth, Sutton) Willey, Rt. Hn. Frederick
Johnson, Walter (Derby, S.) Paget, R. T. Williams, Alan (Swansea, W.)
Jones, Barry (Flint, E.) Palmer, Arthur Williams, W. T. (Warrington)
Jones, Dan (Burnley) Pardoe, John Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton)
Jones, Rt. Hn. Sir Elwyn (W. Ham, S.) Parker, John (Dagenham) Woof, Robert
Jones, Gwynoro (Carmarthen) Parry, Robert (Liverpool, Exchange)
Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, W.) Pavitt, Laurie TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Judd, Frank Peart, Rt. Hn. Fred Mr. Joseph Harper and
Kaufman, Gerald Pentland, Norman Mr. Tom Pendry.
Kelley, Richard Perry, Ernest G.
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