§ 26. Mr. Hicksasked the Secretary of State for the Environment when he hopes to receive the results of the pilot surveys now being undertaken concerning all aspects of the provision of bus services in rural areas; and if he will make a statement.
§ Mr. PeytonVery soon. I shall make a statement when I have studied them.
§ Mr. HicksWill my right hon. Friend take note of the urgency of the situation? Is he aware that in the past 10 years the number of fare journeys carried by the Western and Southern Omnibus Company has fallen from 89 million to 55 million and that in Cornwall alone 1262 14 routes have been withdrawn during the last six months? Will he give consideration to a fundamental reform of the licensing system?
§ Mr. PeytonI am well aware of the importance and gravity of the problem. I shall have, and, indeed, am having, a look at the licensing system. I remind my hon. Friend that the root of the problem is the multiplication of car journeys which have simply taken away the customers from the buses.
§ Mr. David SteelWhen the Minister is looking at the licensing system, will he bear in mind that the costs to bus operators in rural areas are unnecessarily high if they are unable, because of Ministry licensing requirements, to use the off-the-peg production mini-buses, which are cheaper than the expensive adaptations needed to meet Ministry licensing requirements?
§ Mr. PeytonYes. I do not disagree with the hon. Gentleman's sensible point.
§ Sir H. Legge-BourkeWill my right hon. Friend give an assurance that in these surveys the fullest possible weight will be given to the problem which is rapidly increasing, particularly in the Eastern Counties, as a result of prices going up for school children in the early morning?
§ Mr. PeytonYes, Sir. Every point made by my hon. Friend will be borne in mind—though I hate using the phrase.
§ Mr. AshtonWill the Minister look at those local authorities which refuse to take advantage of possible Government subsidies because they might have to spend a penny of their rates to do so? In this survey will he also look at the corporation tax which national bus companies are paying? Is he also aware that in rural districts transport is worse than at the beginning of the century?
§ Mr. PeytonI shall certainly have a look at all the matters the hon. Gentleman has raised. However, I remind him that corporation tax is not my immediate responsibility.