HC Deb 28 January 1971 vol 810 cc1063-76

Amendment proposed: No. 478, in Clause 25, page 19, line 1, leave out from 'for' to end of line 3 and insert:

Division No. 103.] AYES [3.22 a.m.
Adley, Robert du Cann, Rt. Hn. Edward Joseph, Rt. Hn. Sir Keith
Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash) Eden, Sir John Kershaw, Anthony
Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead) Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) Kilfedder, James
Archer, Jeffrey (Louth) Elliot, Capt Walter (Carshalton) Kimball, Marcus
Astor, John Elilott, R. W. (N'c'le-upon-Tyne,N.) King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.)
Atkins, Humphrey Emery, Peter King, Tom (Bridgwater)
Awdry, Daniel Eyre, Reginald Kinsey, J. R.
Baker, Kenneth (St. Marylebone) Farr, John Kirk, Peter
Baker, W. H. K. (Banff) Fell, Anthony Kitson, Timothy
Balniel, Lord Fenner, Mrs. Peggy Knight, Mrs. Jill
Barber, Rt. Hn. Anthony Fidler, Michael Knox, David
Batsford, Brian Finsberg, Geoffrey (Hampstead) Lambton, Antony
Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton Fletcher-Cooke, Charles Lane, David
Bell, Ronald Fookes, Miss Janet Langford-Holt, Sir John
Bennett, Dr. Reginald (Gosport) Foster, Sir John Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry
Benyon, W. Fowler, Norman Le Marchant, Spencer
Berry, Hn. Anthony Fox, Marcus Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland)
Biffen, John Fraser,Rt.Hn.Hugh(St'fford & Stone) Lloyd, Ian (P'tsm'th, Langstone)
Biggs-Davisan, John Fry, Peter Longden, Gilbert
Blaker, Peter Galbraith, Hn. T. G. Loveridge, John
Boardman, Tom (Leicester, S. W.) Gardner, Edward McAdden, Sir Stephen
Body, Richard Gibson-Watt, David MacArthur, Ian
Boscawen Robert Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.) McCrindle, R. A.
Bossom, Sir Clive Gilmour, Sir John (Fife, E.) McLaren, Martin
Bowden, Andrew Glyn, Dr. Alan Maclean, Sir Fitzroy
Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. John Goodhart, Philip McMaster, Stanley
Braine, Bernard Goodhew, Victor Macmillan, Maurice (Farnham)
Bray, Ronald Gorst, John McNair-Wilson, Michael
Brewis, John Gower, Raymond McNair-Wilson, Patrick (New Forest)
Brinton, Sir Tatton Grant, Anthony (Harrow, C.) Maddan, Martin
Brocklebank-Fowler, Christopher Gray, Hamish Madel, David
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) Green, Alan Maginnis, John E.
Bruce-Gardnee, J. Grieve, Percy Marples, Rt. Hn. Ernest
Bryan, Paul Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds) Marten, Neil
Buchanan-Smith, Alick(Angus,N&M) Grylls, Michael Mather, Carol
Buck, Antony Gummer, Selwyn Maude, Angus
Bullus, Sir Eric Gurden, Harold Maudling, Rt. Hn. Reginald
Burden, F. A. Hall, Miss Joan (Keighley) Mawby, Ray
Butler, Adam (Bosworth) Hall-Davis, A. G. F. Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J.
Carlisle, Mark Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) Meyer, Sir Anthony
Carr, Rt. Hn. Robert Hannam, John (Exeter) Mills, Peter (Torrington)
Chanson, Paul Harrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye) Mills, Stratton (Belfast, N.)
Chapman, Sydney Harvey, Sir Arthur Vere Miscampbell, Norman
Chataway, Rt. Hn. Christopher Haslehurst, Alan Mitchell,Lt.-Col.C.(Aberdeenshire,W)
Chichester-Clark, R. Hastings, Stephen Mitchell, David (Basingstoke)
Churchill, W. S. Havers, Michael Moate, Roger
Clark, William (Surrey, E.) Hawkins, Paul Molyneaux, James
Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Hayhoe, Barney Money, Ernie
Clegg, Walter Heseltine, Michael Monks, Mrs. Connie
Cockeram, Eric Hicks, Robert Monro, Hector
Cooke, Robert Higgins, Terence L. Montgomery, Fergus
Coombs, Derek Hiley, Joseph Morgan, Geraint (Denbigh)
Cooper, A. E. Hill, John E. B. (Norfolk, S.) Morgan-Giles, Rear-Adm.
Cordle, John Hill, James (Southampton, Test) Morrison, Charles (Devizes)
Cormack, Patrick Holland, Philip Mudd, David
Costain, A. P. Holt, Miss Mary Murton, Oscar
Critchley, Julian Hordern, Peter Nabarro, Sir Gerald
Crouch, David Hornby, Richard Neave, Airey
Crowder, F. P. Hornsby-Smith,Rt.Hn.Dame Patricia Nicholls, Sir Harmar
Curran, Charles Howe, Hn. Sir Geoffrey (Reigate) Normanton, Tom
Davies, Rt. Hn. John (Knutsford) Howell, David (Guildford) Nott, John
d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir Henry Howell, Ralph (Norfolk, N.) Onslow, Cranley
d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Maj.-Gen. Jack Hunt, John Oppenheim, Mrs. Sally
Dean, Paul Hutchison, Michael Clark Osborn, John
Deedes, Rt. Hn, W. F. Iremonger, T. L. Owen, Idris (Stockport, N.)
Digby, Simon Wingfield James, David Page, Graham (Crosby)
Dixon, Piers Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford) Page, John (Harrow, W.)
Dodds-Parker, Douglas Jessel, Toby Parkinson, Cecil (Enfield, W.)
Douglas-Home, Rt. Hn. Sir Alec Johnson Smith, G. (E. Grinstead) Peet, John
Drayson, G. B. Jopling, Michael Percival, Ian

'any person (including any trade union or other organisation of workers or any official of a trade union or of such an organisation)'.—[Mr. R. Carr.]

Question Put, That the Amendment be made:—

The Committee divided: Ayes 297, Nose 186.s

Peyton, Rt. Hn. John Shelton, William (Clapham) Tugendhat, Christopher
Pike, Miss Mervyn Simeons, Charles Turton, Rt. Hn. R. H.
Pink, R. Bonner Sinclair, Sir George Vaughan, Dr. Gerard
Pounder, Rafton Skeet, T. H. H. Vickers, Dame Joan
Powell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch Smith, Dudley (W'wick & L'mington) Waddington, David
Pricel, David (Eastleigh) Soref, Harold Walder, David (Clitheroe)
Proudfoot, Wilfred Speed, Keith Walker, Rt. Hn. Peter (Worcester)
Pym, Rt. Hn. Francis Spence, John Walker-Smith, Rt. Hn. Sir Derek
Quennell, Miss J. M. Sproat, Iain Wall, Patrick
Raison, Timothy Stainton, Keith Walters, Dennis
Ramsden, Rt. Hn. James Stanbrook, Ivor Ward, Dame Irene
Rawlinson, Rt. Hn. Sir Peter Stewart-Smith, D. G. (Belper) Warren, Kenneth
Redmond, Robert Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M. Weatherill, Bernard
Reed, Laurance (Bolton, E.) Stokes, John Wells, John (Maidstone)
Rees, Peter (Dover) Stuttaford, Dr. Tom White, Roger (Gravesend)
Rees-Davies, W. R. Sutcliffe, John Whitelaw, Rt. Hn. William
Renton, Rt. Hn. Sir David Tapsell, Peter Wiggin, Jerry
Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon Taylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne) Wilkinson, John
Ridley, Hn. Nicholas Taylor, Edward M.(G'gow,Cathcart) Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick
Ridsdate, Julian Taylor, Frank (Moss Side) Wood, Rt. Hn. Richard
Roberts, Michael (Cardiff, N.) Taylor, Robert (Croydon, N.W.) Woodhouse, Hn. Christopher
Roberts, Wyn (Conway) Tebbit, Norman Woodnutt, Mark
Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks) Temple, John M. Worsley, Marcus
Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) Thatcher, Rt. Hn. Mrs. Margaret Wylie, Rt. Hn. N. R.
Rost, Peter Thomas, John Strading (Monmouth) Younger, Hn. George
Royle, Anthony Thomas, Rt. Hn. Peter (Hendon, S.)
Russell, Sir Ronald Thompson, Sir Richard (Croydon, S.) TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
St. John-Stevas, Norman Tilney, John Mr. Jasper More and
Scott, Nicholas Trafford, Dr. Anthony Mr. Tim Fortescue.
Shaw, Michael (Sc'b'gh & Whitby) Trew, Peter
NOES
Allen, Scholefield Hughes, Rt. Hn. Cledwyn (Anglesey) Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire)
Bagier, Gordon A. T. Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen, N.) Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe)
Barnett, Joel Hughes, Roy (Newport) Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw)
Berney, Alan Hunter, Adam Morris, Rt. Hn. John (Aberavon)
Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony Wedgwood Jay, Rt. Hn. Douglas Moyle, Roland
Booth, Albert John, Brynmor Mulley, Rt. Hn. Frederick
Bottomley, Rt. Hn. Arthur Jones, Barry (Flint, E.) Murray, Ronald King
Brown, Bob (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne,W.) Jones, Dan (Burnley) Ogden, Eric
Buchanan, Richard (G'gow, Sp'burn) Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, W.) O'Halloran, Michael
Campbell, I. (Dunbartonshire, W.) Kaufman, Gerald O'Malley, Brian
Cant, R. B. Kelley, Richard Oram, Bert
Carter-Jones, Lewis (Eccles) Lambie, David Orbach, Maurice
Clark, David (Calne Valley) Lamond, James Orme, Stanley
Cocks, Michael (Bristol, S.) Latham, Arthur Oswald, Thomas
Concannon, J. D. Lawson, George Owen, Dr. David (Plymouth, Sutton)
Conlan, Bernard Leadbitter, Ted Paget, R. T.
Corbet, Mrs. Freda Lee, Rt. Hn. Frederick Palmer, Arthur
Crawshaw, Richard Leonard, Dick Parker, John (Dagenham)
Cronin, John Lester, Miss Joan Parry, Robert (Liverpool, Exchange)
Dalyell, Tam Lever, Rt. Hn. Harold Pavitt, Laurie
Davies, Ifor (Gower) Lewis, Arthur (W. Ham N.) Peart, Rt. Hn. Fred
Deakins, Eric Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) Pendry, Tom
Delargy, H. J. Lipton, Marcus Pentland, Norman
Dell, Rt. Hn. Edmund Lomas, Kenneth Perry, Ernest G.
Dempsey, James Lyon, Alexander W. (York) Prentice, Rt. Hn. Reg.
Doig, Peter Lyons, Edward (Bradford, E.) Prescott, John
Douglas, Dick (Stirlingshire, E.) Mabon, Dr. J. Dickson Price, J. T. (Westhoughton)
Driberg, Tom McBride, Neil Price, William (Rugby)
Eadie, Alex McCartney, Hugh Prior, Rt. Hn. J. M. L.
Edwards, William (Merioneth) McElhone, Frank Probert, Arthur
Ellis, Tom McGuire, Michael Rankin, John
English, Michael Mackenzie, Gregor Reed, D. (Sedgefield)
Evans, Fred Mackie, John Rees, Merlyn (Leeds, S.)
Fernyhough, E. Mackintosh, John P. Richard, Ivor
Fitch, Alan (Wigan) Maclennan, Robert Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) McMillan, Tom (Glasgow, C.) Roberts,Rt.Hn.Goronwy(Caernarvon)
Forrester, John McNamara, J. Kevin Roderick, Caerwyn E.(Br'c'n&R'dnor)
Freeson, Reginald MacPherson, Malcolm Roper, John
Gordan Walker, Rt. Hn. P. C. Mahon, Simon (Bootle) Rose, Paul B.
Grant, George (Morpeth) Mallalieu, J. P. W. (Huddersfield, E.) Ross, Rt. Hn. William (Kilmarnock)
Griffiths, Eddie (Brightside) Marks, Kenneth Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-under-Lyne)
Hamilton, James (Bothwell) Marquand, David Shore, Rt. Hn. Peter (Stepney)
Hamilton, William (Fife, W.) Marsh, Rt. Hn. Richard Short,Rt.Hn.Edward(N'c'tle-u-Tyne)
Hannan, William (G'gow, Maryhill) Mason, Rt. Hn. Roy Silkin, Rt. Hn. John (Deptford)
Hardy, Peter Meacher, Michael Silkin, Hn. S. C. (Dulwich)
Harper, Joseph Mellish, Rt. Hn. Robert Sillars, James
Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) Mendelson, John Silverman, Jullus
Hattersley, Roy Mikardo, Ian Skinner, Dennis
Heffer, Eric S. Millan, Bruce Small, William
Houghton, Rt. Hn. Douglas Miller, Dr. M. S. Smith, John (Lanarkshire, N.)
Howell, Denis (Small Heath) Milne, Edward (Blyth) Spearing, Nigel
Huckfield, Leslie Molloy, William Spriggs, Leslie
Stallard, A. W. Torney, Tom Whitlock, William
Stewart, Rt. Hn. Michael (Fulham) Urwin, T. W. Willey, Rt. Hn. Frederick
Stoddart, David (Swindon) Varley, Eric G. Williams, Alan (Swansea, W.)
Stonehouse, Rt. Hn. John Wainwright, Edwin Williams, Mrs. Shirley (Hitchin)
Strang, Gavin Walden, Brian (B'm'ham, All Saints) Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton)
Summerskill, Hn. Dr. Shirley Walker, Harold (Doncaster) Wilson, Rt. Hn. Harold (Huyton)
Swain, Thomas Wallace, George Wilson, William (Coventry, S.)
Thomas,Rt.Hn.George(Cardiff,W.) Watkins, David
Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery) Weitzman, David TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Thomson, Rt, Hn. G. (Dundee, E.) Wells, William (Walsall, N.) Mr. John Golding and
Tinn, James White, James (Glasgow, Pollok) Mr. William Hamling.
Tomney, Frank Whitehead, Phillip

Amendment proposed: No. 479, in page 19, line 9, leave out 'organisation or'.—[Mr. R. Carr.]

Question put, That the Amendment be made.

The Committee proceeded to a Division

Mr. Molloy (seated and covered)

On a point of order, Mr. Jennings. When I went through the "No" Lobby I dis-

Division No. 104.] AYES [3.35 a.m.
Adley, Robert Cordle, John Gurden, Harold
Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash) Corfieid, Rt. Hn. Frederick Hall, Miss Joan (Keighley)
Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead) Cormack, Patrick Hall-Davis, A. G. F.
Archer, Jeffrey (Louth) Costain, A. P. Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury)
Astor, John Critchley, Julian Hannam, John (Exeter)
Atkins, Humphrey Crouch, David Harrison, Brian (Malden)
Awdry, Daniel Crowder, F. P. Harrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye)
Baker, Kenneth (St. Marylebone) Curran, Charles Harvey, Sir Arthur Vere
Baker, W. H. K. (Banff) Davies, Rt. Hn. John (Knutsford) Haselhurst, Alan
Balniel, Lord d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir Henry Hastings, Stephen
Barber, Rt. Hn. Anthony d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Maj.-Gen. Jack Havers, Michael
Batsford, Brian Dean, Paul Hawkins, Paul
Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. Hayhoe, Barney
Bell, Ronald Digby, Simon Wingfield Heseltine, Michael
Bennett, Dr. Reginald (Gosport) Dixon, Piers Hicks, Robert
Benyon, W. Dodds-Parker, Douglas Higgins, Terence L.
Berry, Hn. Anthony Douglas-Home, Rt. Hn. Sir Alec Hiley, Joseph
Biffen, John Drayson, G. B. Hill, John E. B. (Norfolk, S.)
Biggs-Davison, John du Cann, Rt. Hn. Edward Hill, James (Southampton, Test)
Blaker, Peter Eden, Sir John Holland, Phillip
Boardman, Tom (Leicester, S.W.) Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) Holt, Miss Mary
Body, Richard Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carsha1ton) Hordern, Peter
Boscawen, Robert Elliott, R. W. (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne,N.) Hornby, Richard
Bossom, Sir Clive Emery, Peter Hornsby-Smith,Rt.Hn.Dame Patricia
Bowden, Andrew Eyre, Reginald Howe, Hn. Sir Geoffrey (Reigate)
Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. John Farr, John Howell, David (Guildford)
Braine, Bernard Fell, Anthony Howell, Ralph (Norfolk, N.)
Bray, Ronald Fenner, Mrs. Peggy Hunt, John
Brewis, John Fidler, Michael Hutchison, Michael Clark
Brinton, Sir Tatton Finsberg, Geoffrey (Hampstead) Iremonger, T. L.
Fletcher-Cooke, Charles James, David
Brocklebank-Fowler, Christopher Fookes, Miss Janet Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford)
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) Fortescue, Tim Jessel, Toby
Bruce-Gardyne, J. Foster, Sir John Johnson Smith, G. (E. Grinstead)
Bryan, Paul Fowler, Norman Jopling, Michael
Buchanan-Smith, Alick(Angus,N&M) Fox, Marcus Joseph, Rt. Hn. Sir Keith
Buck, Antony Fraser,Rt.Hn.Hugh(St'fford & Stone) Kellett, Mrs. Elaine
Bullus, Sir Erie Fry, Peter Kershaw, Anthony
Burden, F. A. Galbraith, Hn. T. G. Kilfedder, James
Butler, Adam (Bosworth) Gardner, Edward Kimball, Marcus
Carlisle, Mark Gibson-Watt, David King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.)
Carr, Rt. Hn. Robert Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.) King, Tom (Bridgwater)
Channon, Paul Gilmour, Sir John (Fife, E.) Kinsey, J. R.
Chapman, Sydney Glyn, Dr. Alan Kirk, Peter
Chataway, Rt. Hn. Christopher Goodhart, Philip Kitson, Timothy
Chichester-Clark, R. Gorst, John Knight, Mrs, Jill
Churchill, W. S. Gower, Raymond Knox, David
Clark, William (Surrey, E.) Grant, Anthony (Harrow, C.) Lambton, Antony
Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Gray, Hamish Lane, David
Clegg, Walter Green, Alan Langford-Holt, Sir John
Cockeram, Eric Grieve, Percy Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry
Cooke, Robert Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds) Le Marchant, Spencer
Coombs, Derek Grylls, Michael Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland)
Cooper, A. E. Gummer, Selwyn Lloyd, Ian (P'tsm'th, Langstone)

tinctly saw the hon. Member for West Ham, North (Mr. Arthur Lewis) going through that Lobby with me. I then saw him enter the "Aye" Lobby. Can you tell me whether that is in order?

The Temporary Chairman (Mr. J. C. Jennings)

It is in order for an hon. Gentleman to cancel out his own vote.

The Committee having divided: Ayes 298, Noes 193.

Longden, Gilbert Owen, Idris (Stockport, N.) Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M.
Loveridge, John Page, Graham (Crosby) Stokes, John
McAdden, Sir Stephen Page, John (Harrow, W.) Stuttaford, Dr. Tom
MacArthur, Ian Parkinson, Cecil (Enfield, W.) Sutcliffe, John
McCrindle, R. A. Peel, John Tapsell, Peter
McLaren, Martin Percival, Ian Taylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne)
Maclean, Sir Fitzroy Peyton, Rt. Hn. John Taylor,Edward M.(C'gow,Cathcart)
McMaster, Stanley Pike, Miss Mervyn Taylor, Frank (Moss Side)
Macmillan, Maurice (Farnham) Pink, R. Bonner Taylor, Robert (Croydon, N.W.)
McNair-Wilson, Michael Pounder, Rafton Tebbit, Norman
McNair-Wilson, Patrick (New Forest) Powell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch Temple, John M.
Madden, Martin Price, David (Eastleigh) Thatcher, Rt. Hn. Mrs. Margaret
Madel, David Proudfoot, Wilfred Thomas, John Stradling (Monmouth)
Maginnis, John E. Pym, Rt. Hn. Francis Thomas, Rt. Hn. Peter (Hendon, S.)
Marples, Rt. Hn. Ernest Quennell, Miss J. M. Thompson, Sir Richard (Croydon, S.)
Marten, Neil Raison, Timothy Tilney, John
Mather, Carol Ramsden, Rt. Hn. James Trafford, Dr. Anthony
Maude, Angus Rawlinson, Rt. Hn. Sir Peter Trew, Peter
Maudling, Rt. Hn. Reginald Redmond, Robert Tugendhat, Christopher
Mawby, Ray Reed, Laurance (Bolton, E.) Turton, Rt. Hn. R. H.
Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J. Rees, Peter (Dover) Vaughan, Dr. Gerard
Meyer, Sir Anthony Rees-Davies, W. R. Vickers, Dame Joan
Mills, Peter (Torrington) Renton, Rt. Hn. Sir David Waddington, David
Mills, Stratton (Belfast, N.) Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon Walder, David (Clitheroe)
Miscampbell, Norman Ridley, Hn. Nicholas Walker, Rt. Hn. Peter (Worcester)
Mitchell,Lt.-Col.C.(Aberdeenshire,W) Ridsdale, Julian Walker-Smith, Rt. Hn. Sir Derek
Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) Roberts, Michael (Cardiff, N.) Wall, Patrick
Moate, Roger Roberts, Wyn (Conway) Walters, Dennis
Molyneaux, James Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks) Ward, Dame Irene
Money, Ernle Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) Warren, Kenneth
Monks, Mrs. Connie Rost, Peter Weatherill, Bernard
Monro, Hector Royle, Anthony Wells, John (Maidstone)
Montgomery, Fergus Russell, Sir Ronald White, Roger (Gravesend)
More, Jasper St. John-Stevas, Norman Whitelaw, Rt. Hn. William
Morgan, Geraint (Denbigh) Scott, Nicholas Wiggin, Jerry
Morgan-Giles, Rear-Adm. Shaw, Michael (Sc'b'gh & Whitby) Wilkinson, John
Morrison, Charles (Devizes) Shelton, William (Clapham) Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick
Mudd, David Simeons, Charles Wood, Rt. Hn. Richard
Murton, Oscar Sinclair, Sir George Woodhouse, Hn. Christopher
Nabarro, Sir Gerald Skeet, T. H. H. Woodnutt, Mark
Neave, Airey Smith, Dudley (W'wick & L'mington) Worsley, Marcus
Nicholls, Sir Harmar Soref, Harold Wylie, Rt. Hn. N. R.
Normanton, Tom Spence, John Younger, Hon. George
Nott, John Sproat, Iain
Onslow, Cranley Stainton, Keith TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Oppenheim, Mrs. Sally Stanbrook, Ivor Mr. Victor Goodhew and
Osborn, John Stewart-Smith, D. G. (Belper) Mr. Keith Speed.
NOES
Allen, Scholefield English, Michael Lamond, James
Bagier, Gordon A. T. Evans, Fred Latham, Arthur
Barnett, Joel Fernyhough, E. Lawson, George
Beaney, Alan Fitch, Alan (Wigan) Leadbitter, Ted
Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony Wedgwood Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) Lee, Rt. Hn. Frederick
Boardman, H. (Leigh) Ford, Ben Leonard, Dick
Booth, Albert Forrester, John Lestor, Miss Joan
Bottomley, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fraser, John (Norwood) Lever, Rt. Hn. Harold
Brown, Bob (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne,W.) Freeson, Reginald Lewis, Arthur (W. Ham, N.)
Brown, Ronald (Shoreditch & F'bury) Galpern, Sir Myer Lewis, Ron (Carlisle)
Buchanan, Richard (G'gow, Sp'bum) Gordon Walker, Rt. Hn. P. C. Lipton, Marcus
Campbell, I. (Dunbartonshire, W.) Grant, George (Morpeth) Lomas, Kenneth
Clark, David (Colne Valley) Hamilton, James (Bothwell) Lyon, Alexander W. (York)
Cocks, Michael (Bristol, S.) Hamilton, William (Fife, W.) Lyons, Edward (Bradford, E.)
Cohen, Stanley Hannan, William (G'gow, Maryhill) Mabon, Dr. J. Dickson
Coleman, Donald Hardy, Peter McBride, Neil
Concannon, J. D. Harper, Joseph McCartney, Hugh
Conlan, Bernard Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) McElhone, Frank
Corbet, Mrs. Freda Hattersley, Roy McGuire, Michael
Crawshaw, Richard Heffer, Eric S. Mackenzie, Gregor
Cronin, John Hilton, W. S. Mackie, John
Dalyell, Tam Houghton, Rt. Hn. Douglas Mackintosh, John P.
Davies, Denzil (Llanelly) Howell, Denis (Small Heath) Maclennan, Robert
Davies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.) Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen, N.) McMillan, Tom (Glasgow, C.)
Davies, Ifor (Gower) Hughes, Roy (Newport) McNamara, J. Kevin
Deakins, Eric Hunter, Adam MacPherson, Malcolm
de Freitas, Rt. Hn. Sir Geoffrey Janner, Greville Mahon, Simon (Bootle)
Delargy, H. J. Jay, Rt. Hn. Douglas Mallalieu, J. P. W. (Huddersfield, E.)
Dell, Rt. Hn. Edmund John, Brynmor Marks, Kenneth
Dempsey, James Jones, Barry (Flint, E.) Marquand, David
Douglas, Dick (Stirlingshire, E.) Jones, Dan (Burnley) Marsh, Rt. Hn. Richard
Driberg, Tom Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, W.) Mason, Rt. Hn. Roy
Eadie, Alex Kaufman, Gerald Meacher, Michael
Ellis, Tom Lambie, David Mellish, Rt. Hn. Robert
Mendelson, John Price, J. T. (Westhoughton) Swain, Thomas
Mikardo, Ian Price, William (Rugby) Taverne, Dick
Millan, Bruce Probert, Arthur Thomas,Rt.Hn.George (Cardiff,W.)
Miller, Dr. M. S. Rankin, John Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery)
Milne, Edward (Blyth) Reed, D. (Sedgefield) Thomson, Rt. Hn. G. (Dundee, E.)
Molloy, William Rees, Merlyn (Leeds, S.) Tinn, James
Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire) Richard, Ivor Tomney, Frank
Morris, Alfred (Wythenshaw) Roberts, Albert (Normanton) Torney, Tom
Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) Roherts,Rt.Hn.Goronwy(Caernarvon) Urwin, T. W.
Morris, Rt. Hn. John (Aberavon) Roderick,Caerwyn E.(Br'c'n&R'dnor) Varley, Eric G.
Moyle, Roland Rodgers, William (Stockton-on-Tees) Wainwright, Edwin
Mulley, Rt. Hn. Frederick Roper, John Walden, Brian (B'm'ham, All Saints)
Murray, Ronald King Rose, Paul B. Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
Ogden, Eric Ross, Rt. Hn. William (Kilmarnock) Wallace, George
O'Halloran, Michael Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-under-Lyne) Watkins, David
O'Malley, Brian Shore, Rt. Hn. Peter (Stepney) Weitzman, David
Oram, Bert Short,Rt.Hn.Edward(N'c'tle-u-Tyne) Wellbeloveel, James
Orbach, Maurice Silkin, Rt. Hn. John (Deptford) Wells, William (Walsall, N.)
Orme, Stanley Silkin, Hn. S. C. (Dulwich) White James (Glasgow, Pollok)
Oswald, Thomas Sillars, James Whitehead, Phillip
Owen, Dr. David (Plymouth, Sutton) Silverman, Julius Whitlock, William
Paget, R. T. Skinner, Dennis Willey, Rt. Hn. Frederick
Palmer, Arthur Small, William Williams, Alan (Swansea, W.)
Parker, John (Dagenham) Smith, John (Lanarkshire, N.) Williams, Mrs. Shirley (Hitchin)
Parry, Robert (Liverpool, Exchange) Spearing, Nigel Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton)
Pavitt, Laurie Spriggs, Leslie Wilson, Rt. Hn. Harold (Huyton)
Peart, Rt. Hn. Fred Stallard, A. W. Wilson, William (Coventry, S.)
Pendry, Tom Stewart, Rt. Hn. Michael (Fulham)
Pentland, Norman Stoddart, David (Swindon) TELLERS FOR THE NOES
Perry, Ernest G. Stonehouse, Rt. Hn. John Mr. John Golding and
Prentice, Rt. Hn. Reg. Strang, Gavin Mr. William Hamling.
Prescott, John Summerskill, Hn. Dr. Shirley
Mr. Arthur Lewis

Further to that point of order—

The Temporary Chairman (Mr. J. C. Jennings)

Order. I am sorry but I can deal with no business other the guillotine business. Therefore, we cannot deal further with the point of order or a new point of order at this stage.

Question put, That the Clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill.

The Committee proceeded to a Division

Mr. Arthur Lewis (seated and covered)

On a point of order. A moment ago, Mr. Jennings, you unwittingly made a disparaging remark—not having a full knowledge of the facts—which might have been an imputation against me. I went into the other Lobby to find the Prime Minister. He was not there. There are hon. Members opposite who know that I went in to find the Prime Minister. I

Division No. 105.] AYES [3.46 p.m.
Adley, Robert Bell, Ronald Braise, Bernard
Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash) Bennett, Dr. Reginald (Gosport) Bray, Ronald
Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead) Benyon, W. Brewis, John
Archer, Jeffrey (Louth) Berry, Hn. Anthony Brinton, Sir Tatton
Astor, John Biffen, John Brocklebank-Fowler, Christopher
Atkins, Humphrey Biggs-Davison, John Brown, Sir Edward (Bath)
Awdry, Daniel Blaker, Peter Bruce-Gardyne, J.
Baker, Kenneth (St. Marylebone) Boardman, Tom (Leicester, S.W.) Bryan, Paul
Baker, W. H. K. (Banff) Body, Richard Buchanan-Smith, Alick(Angus,N&M)
Balniel, Lord Boscawen, R. T. Buck, Antony
Barber, Rt. Hn. Anthony Bossom, Sir Clive Bullus, Sir Eric
Batsford, Brian Bowden, Andrew Burden, F. A.
Beamish, Col, Sir Tufton Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. John Butler, Adam (Bosworth)

never voted twice; I voted with the Opposition and I would never vote with the Government. I ask you to bear that in mind and agree with me that there is nothing to stop me going into the other Lobby to try to find the Prime Minister.

The Temporary Chairman

There is nothing disparaging about trying to find a Prime Minister, and certainly nothing disparaging in my remarks. Members have cancelled out their own votes before and that is what the explanation appeared to be to me. There was no intention to disparage the hon. Member.

Mr. Arthur Lewis (seated and covered)

Thank you, Mr. Jennings, for those remarks. Perhaps you might tell me where I could find the Prime Minister?

The Temporary Chairman

Any time that the House is not sitting, at No. 10 Downing Street or Chequers.

The Committee having divided: Ayes 298, Noes 209.

Carlisle, Mark Hill, John E. B. (Norfolk, S.) Owen, Idris (Stockport, N.)
Carr, Rt. Hn. Robert Hill, James (Southampton, Test) Page, Graham (Crosby)
Channon, Paul Holland, Phillip Page, John (Harrow, W.)
Chapman, Sydney Holt, Miss Mary Parkinson, Cecil (Enfield, W.)
Chataway, Rt. Hn. Christopher Hordern, Peter Peel, John
Chichester-Clark, R. Hornby, Richard Percival, Ian
Churchill, W. S. Hornsby-Smith,Rt.Hn.Dame Patricia Peyton, Rt. Hn. John
Clark, William (Surrey, E.) Howe, Hn. Sir Geoffrey (Reigate) Pike, Miss Mervyn
Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Howell, David (Guildford) Pink, R. Bonner
Clegg, Walter Howell, Ralph (Norfolk, N.) Pounder, Rafton
Cockeram, Eric Hunt, John Powell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch
Cooke, Robert Hutchison, Michael Clark Price, David (Eastleigh)
Coombs, Derek Iremonger, T. L. Proudfoot, Wilfred
Cooper, A. E. James, David Pym, Rt. Hn. Francis
Cordle, John Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford) Quennell, Miss J. M.
Corfield, F. V. Jessel, Toby Raison, Timothy
Cormack, Patrick Johnson Smith, G. (E. Grinstead) Ramsden, Rt. Hn. James
Costain, A. P. Jopling, Michael Rawlinson, Rt. Hn. Sir Peter
Critchley, Julian Joseph, Rt. Hn. Sir Keith Redmond, Robert
Crouch, David Kellett, Mrs. Elaine Reed, Laurance (Bolton, E.)
Crowder, F. P. Kershaw, Anthony Rees, Hn. Peter (Dover)
Curran, Charles Kilfedder, James Rees-Davies, W. R.
Davies, Rt. Hn. John (Knutsford) Kimball, Marcus Renton, Rt. Hn. Sir David
d'Avigdor-Goldmid, Sir Henry King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.) Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon
d'Avigdor-Goldmid, Maj.-Gen. Jack King, Tom (Bridgwater) Ridley, Hn. Nicholas
Dean, Paul
Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. Kinsey, J. R. Ridsdale, Julian
Digby, Simon Wingfield Kirk, Peter Roberts, Michael (Cardiff, N.)
Dixon, Piers Kitson, Timothy Roberts, Wyn (Conway)
Dodds-Parker, Douglas Knight, Mrs. Jill Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks)
Douglas-Home, Rt. Hn. Sir Alec Knox, David Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey)
Drayson, G. B. Lambton, Anthony Rost, Peter
du Cann, Rt. Hn. Edward Lane, David Royle, Anthony
Eden, Sir John Langford-Holt, Sir John Russell, Sir Ronald
Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry St. John-Stevas, Norman
Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton) Le Marchant, Spencer Scott, Nicholas
Elliott, R. W. (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne,N.) Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) Shaw, Michael (Sc'h'gh & Whitby)
Emery, Peter Lloyd, Ian (P'tsm'th, Langstone) Shelton, William (Clapham)
Eyre, Reginald Longden, Gilbert Simeons, Charles
Farr, John Loveridge, John Sinclair, Sir George
Fell, Anthony McAdden, Sir Stephen Skeet, T. H. H.
Fenner, Mrs. Peggy MacArthur, Ian Smith, Dudley (W'wick & L'mington)
Fidler, Michael McCrindle, R. A. Soref, Harold
Finsberg, Geoffrey (Hampstead) McLaren, Martin Speed, Keith
Fletcher-Cooke, Charles Maclean, Sir Fitzroy Spence, John
Fookes, Miss Janet McMaster, Stanley Sproat, Iain
Fortescue, Tim Macmillan, Maurice (Farnham) Stainton, Keith
Foster, Sir John McNair-Wilson, Michael Stanbrook, Ivor
Fowler, Norman McNair-Wilson, Patrick (New Forest) Stewart-Smith, D. G. (Belper)
Fox, Marcus Madden, Martin Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M.
Fraser,Rt.Hn.Hugh(St'fford & Stone) Madel, David Stokes, John
Fry, Peter Maginnis, John E. Stuttaford, Dr. Tom
Galbraith, Hn. T. G. Marples, Rt. Hn. Ernest Sutcliffe, John
Gardner, Edward Marten, Neil Tapsell, Peter
Gibson-Walt, David Mather, Carol Taylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne)
Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.) Maude, Angus Taylor,Edward M.(G'gow,Cathcart)
Gilmour, Sir John (Fife, E.) Maudling, Rt. Hn. Reginald Taylor, Frank (Moss Side)
Glyn, Dr. Alan Mawby, Ray Taylor, Robert (Croydon, N.W.)
Goodhart, Philip Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J. Tebbit, Norman
Goodhew, Victor Meyer, Sir Anthony Temple, John M.
Gorst, John Mills, Peter (Torrington) Thatcher, Rt. Hn. Mrs. Margaret
Gower, Raymond Mills, Stratton (Belfast, N.) Thomas, John Stradling (Monmouth)
Grant, Anthony (Harrow, C.) Miscampbell, Norman Thomas, Rt. Hn. Peter (Hendon, S.)
Gray, Hamish Mitchell,Lt.-Col.C.(Aberdeenshire,W) Thompson, Sir Richard (Croydon, S.)
Green, Alan Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) Tilney, John
Grieve, Percy Moats, Roger Trafford, Dr. Anthony
Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds) Molyneaux, James Trew, Peter
Grylls, Michael Money, Ernle D. Tugendhat, Christopher
Gummer, Selwyn Monks, Mrs. Connie Turton, Rt. Hn. R. H.
Gurden, Harold Monro, Hector Vaughan, Dr. Gerard
Hall, Miss Joan (Keighley) Montgomery, Fergus Vickers, Dame Joan
Hall-Davis, A. G. F. More, Jasper Waddington, David
Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) Morgan, Geraint (Denbigh) Walder, David (Clitheroe)
Hannam, John (Exeter) Morgan-Giles, Rear-Adm. Walker, Rt. Hn. Peter (Worcester)
Harrison, Brian (Maldon) Morrison, Charles (Devizes) Walker-Smith, Rt. Hn. Sir Derek
Harrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye) Mudd, David Wall, Patrick
Harvey, Sir Arthur Vere Murton, Oscar Walters, Dennis
Haselhurst, Alan Nabarro, Sir Gerald Ward, Dame Irene
Hastings, Stephen Neave, Alrey Warren, Kenneth
Havers, Michael Nicholls, Sir Harmer Wells, John (Maidstone)
Hayhoe, Barney Normanton, Tom White, Roger (Gravesend)
Heseltine, Michael Nott, John Whitelaw, Rt. Hn. William
Hicks, Robert Onslow, Cranley Wiggin, Jerry
Higgins, Terence L. Oppenheim, Mrs. Sally Wilkinson, John
Hiley, Joseph Osborn, John Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick
Wood, Rt. Hn. Richard Woreley, Marcus TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Woodhouse, Hn. Christpher Wylie, Rt. Hn. N. R. Mr. Bernard Weatherhill and
Woodnutt, Mark Younger, Hn. George Mr. Paul Hawkins.
NOES
Albu, Austen Hughes, Rt. Hn. Cledwyn (Anglesey) Palmer, Arthur
Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.) Hughes, Mark (Durham) Parry, Robert (Liverpool, Exchange)
Allen, Scholefield Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen, N.) Pavitt, Laurie
Armstrong, Ernest Hughes, Roy (Newport) Pearl, Rt. Hn. Fred
Atkinson, Norman Hunter, Adam Pendry, Tom
Bagier, Gordon A. T. Janner, Greville Pentland, Norman
Barnett, Joel Jay, Rt. Hn. Douglas Perry, Ernest G.
Beaney, Alan John, Brynmor Prentice, Rt. Hn. Reg.
Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony Wedgwood Johnson, Carol (Lewisham, S.) Prescott, John
Bennett, James (Glasgow, Bridgeton) Johnson, James (K'ston-on-Hull, W.) Price, J. T. (Westhoughton)
Boardman, H. (Leigh) Johnson, Walter (Derby, S.) Price, William (Rugby)
Booth, Albert Jones, Barry (Flint, E.) Probert, Arthur
Bottomley, Rt. Hn. Arthur Jones, Dan (Burnley) Rankin, John
Brown, Bob (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne,W.) Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, W.) Reed, D. (Sedgefield)
Brown, Ronald (Shoreditch&F'bury) Kaufman, Gerald Rees, Merlyn (Leeds, S.)
Buchanan, Richard (G'gow, Sp'burn) Kinnock, Neil Richard, Ivor
Callaghan, Rt. Hn. James Lambie, David Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Campbell, I. (Dunbartonshire, W.) Lamond, James Roberts,Rt.Hn.Goronwy (Caernarvon)
Cant, R. B. Latham, Arthur Roderick,Caerwyn E.(Br'c'n&R'dnor)
Carter-Jones, Lewis (Eccles) Lawson, George Rodgers, William (Stockton-on-Tees)
Castle, Rt. Hn. Barbara Leadbitter, Ted Roper, John
Clark, David (Colne Valley) Rose, Paul B.
Cocks, Michael (Bristol, S.) Lee, Rt. Hn. Frederick Ross, Rt. Hn. William (Kilmarnock)
Cohen, Stanley Leonard, Dick Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-under-Lyne)
Coleman, Donald Lestor, Miss John Shore, Rt. Hn. Peter (Stepney)
Concannon, J. D. Lewis, Arthur (W. Ham, N.) Short,Rt.Hn.Edward(N'c'tle-u-Tyne)
Conlan, Bernard Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) Silkin, Rt. Hn. John (Deptford)
Corbet, Mrs. Freda Lipton, Marcus Silkin, Hn. S. C. (Dulwich)
Crawshaw, Richard Lomas, Kenneth Sillars, James
Cronin, John Lyons, Edward (Bradford, E.) Silverman, Julius
Dalyell, Tam Mabon, Dr. J. Dickson Skinner, Dennis
Davies, Denzil (Llanelly) McBride, Neil Small, William
Davies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.) McCartney, Hugh Smith, John (Lanarkshire, N.)
Davies, Ifor (Gower) McElhone, Frank Spearing, Nigel
Deakins, Eric McGuire, Michael Spriggs, Leslie
de Freitas, Rt. Hn. Sir Geoffrey Mackenzie, Gregor Stallard, A. W.
Delargy, H. J. Mackie, John Stewart, Rt. Hn. Michael (Fulham)
Dell, Rt. Hn. Edmund Mackintosh, John P. Stoddart, David (Swindon)
Dempsey, James Maclennan, Robert Stonehouse, Rt. Hn. John
Douglas, Dick (Stirlingshire, E.) McMillan, Tom (Glasgow, C.) Strang, Gavin
Douglas-Mann, Bruce McNamara, J. Kevin Summerskill, Hn, Dr, Shirley
Driberg, Tom MacPherson, Malcolm Swain, Thomas
Dunn, James A. Mahon, Simon (Bootle) Taverne, Dick
Eadie, Alex Mallalieu, J. P. W. (Huddersfield, E.) Thomas,Rt.Hn.George (Cardiff,W.)
Edelman, Maurice Marks, Kenneth Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery)
Edwards, Robert (Bilston) Marquand, David Thomson, Rt. Hn. G. (Dundee, E.)
Edwards, William (Merioneth) Marsh, Rt. Hn. Richard Tinn, James
Ellis, Tom Mason, Rt. Hn. Roy Tomney, Frank
English, Michael Meacher, Michael Torney, Tom
Evans, Fred Mellish, Rt. Hn. Robert Urwin, T. W.
Fernyhough, E. Mendelson, John Varley, Eric G.
Fitch, Alan (Wigan) Mikardo, Ian Wainwright, Edwin
Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) Millan, Bruce Walden, Brian (B'm'ham, All Saints)
Fraser, John (Norwood) Miller, Dr. M. S. Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
Freeson, Reginald Milne, Edward (Blyth) Wallace, George
Galpern, Sir Myer Molloy, William Watkins, David
Gordon Walker, Rt, Hn. P. C. Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire) Weitzman, David
Grant, George (Morpeth) Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) Wellbeloved, James
Hamilton, James (Bothwell) Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) Walls, William (Walsall, N.)
Hamilton, William (Fife, W.) Morris, Rt. Hn. John (Aberavon) White, James (Glasgow, Pollok)
Hannan, William (G'gow, Maryhill) Moyle, Roland Whitehead, Phillip
Hardy, Peter Mulley, Rt. Hn. Frederick Whitlock, William
Harper, Joseph Murray, Ronald King Willey, Rt. Hn. Frederick
Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) Ogden, Eric Williams. Alan (Swansea, W.)
Hattersley, Roy O'Halloran, Michael Williams, Mrs. Shirley (Hitchin)
Healey, Rt. Hn. Denis O'Malley, Brian Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton)
Heffer, Eric S. Oram, Bert Wilson, Rt. Hn. Harold (Huyton)
Hilton, W. S. Orbach, Maurice Wilson, William (Coventry, S.)
Horam, John Orme Stanley
Howell, Denis (Small Heath) Oswald, Thomas TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Huckfield, Leslie Owen, Dr. David (Plymouth, Sutton) Mr. John Go'ding and
Paget, R. T. Mr. William Hamling.

Clause 25, as amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clause 26 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

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