HC Deb 28 January 1971 vol 810 cc1077-9

Question put, That the Clause stand part of the Bill:—

The Committee proceeded to a Division

Mr. Loughlin (seated and covered)

On a point of order. In view of your Ruling a short time ago, Sir Robert, I wonder whether you are now able to report to the Committee the findings of the Serjeant at Arms on the issue which

Division No. 106.] AYES [3.58 a.m.
Adley, Robert d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir Henry Higgins, Terence L.
Allason, Michael (Barkston Ash) d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Maj.-Gen. Jack Hiley, Joseph
Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead) Dean, Paul Hill, John E. B. (Norfolk, S.)
Archer, Jeffrey (Louth) Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. Hill, James (Southampton, Test)
Astor, John Digby, Simon Wingfield Holland, Philip
Atkins, Humphrey Dixon, Piers Holt, Miss Mary
Awdry, Daniel Dodds-Parker, Douglas Hordern, Peter
Baker, Kenneth (St. Marylebone) Douglas-Home, Rt. Hn. Sir Alec Hornby, Richard
Baker, W. H. K. (Banff) Drayson, G. B. Hornsby-Smith,Rt.Hn.Dame Patricia
Balniel, Lord du Cann, Rt. Hn, Edward Howe, Hn. Sir Geoffrey (Relgate)
Barber, Rt. Hn. Anthony Eden, Sir John Howell, David (Guildord)
Batsford, Brian Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) Howell, Ralph (Norfolk, N.)
Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton) Hunt, John
Bell, Ronald Elliott, R. W. (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne,N.) Hutchison, Michael Clark
Benyon, W. Emery, Peter Iremonger, T. L.
Berry, Hn. Anthony Eyre, Reginald James, David
Biffen, John Farr, John Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford)
Biggs-Davison, John Fell, Anthony Jessel, Toby
Blaker, Peter Fenner, Mrs. Peggy Johnson Smith, G. (E. Grinstead)
Boardman, Tom (Leicester, S.W.) Fidler, Michael Jopling, Michael
Body, Richard Finsberg, Geoffrey (Hampstead) Joseph, Rt. Hn. Sir Keith
Boscawen, Robert Fletcher-Cooke, Charles Kellett, Mrs. Elaine
Bossom, Sir Clive Fookes, Miss Janet Kershaw, Anthony
Bowden, Andrew Foster, Sir John Kilfedder, James
Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. John Fowler, Norman Kimball, Marcus
Braine, Bernard Fox, Marcus King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.)
Bray, Ronald Fraser,Rt.Hn.Hugh(St'fford & Stone) King, Tom (Bridgwater)
Brewis, John Fry, Peter Kinsey, J. R.
Brinton, Sir Tatton Galbraith, Hn. T. G. Kirk, Peter
Brocklebank-Fowler, Christopher Gardner, Edward Kitson, Timothy
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) Gibson-Watt, David Knight, Mrs. Jill
Bruce-Gardyne, J. Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.) Knox, David
Bryan, Paul Gilmour, Sir John (Fife, E.) Lambton, Antony
Buchanan-Smith, Alick (Angus,N&M) Glyn, Dr. Alan Lane, David
Buck, Antony Goodhart, Philip Langford-Holt, Sir John
Bullus, Sir Eric Goodhew, Victor Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry
Burden, F. A. Gorst, John Le Marchant, Spencer
Butler, Adam (Bosworth) Gower, Raymond Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland)
Carlisle, Mark Grant, Anthony (Harrow, C.) Lloyd, Ian (P'tsm'th, Langstone)
Carr, Rt. Hn. Robert Gray, Hamish Longden, Gilbert
Channon, Paul Green, Alan Loveridge, John
Chapman, Sydney Grieve, Percy McAdden, Sir Stephen
Chataway, Rt. Hn. Christopher Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds) MacArthur, Ian
Chichester-Clark, R. Gummer, Selwyn McCrindle, R. A.
Churchill, W. S. Gunter, Rt. Hn. R. J. McLaren, Martin
Clark, William (Surrey, E.) Gurden, Harold Maclean, Sir Fitzroy
Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Hall, Miss Joan (Keighley) McMaster, Stanley
Cockeram, Eric Hall-Davis, A. G. F. Macmillan, Maurice (Farnham)
Cooke, Robert Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) McNair-Wilson, Michael
Coombs, Derek Hannam, John (Exeter) McNair-Wilson, Patrick (NewForest)
Cooper, A. E. Harrison, Brian (Maldon) Maddan, Martin
Cordle, John Harrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye) Madel, David
Corfield, Rt. Hn. Frederick Harvey, Sir Arthur Vere Maginnis, John E.
Cormack, Patrick Haselhurst, Alan Marples, Rt. Hn. Ernest
Costain, A. P. Hastings, Stephen Marten, Neil
Critchley, Julian Havers, Michael Mather, Carol
Crouch, David Hawkins, Paul Maude, Angus
Crowder, F. P. Hayhoe, Barney Maudling, Rt. Hn. Reginald
Curran, Charles Heseltine, Michael Mawby, Ray
Davies, Rt. Hn. John (Knutsford) Hicks, Robert Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J.

I raised earlier. We want to raise this matter as a breach of privilege unless the report is satisfactory. May I ask whether you are now in a position to report?

The Chairman (Sir Robert Grant-Ferris)

Yes. I had inquiries made and I have had a report from the Serjeant at Arms. I have taken advice upon the matter. I will read the report when the Committee proceedings are concluded and I resume the upper Chair.

The Committee having divided: Ayes 298, Noes 252.

Meyer, Sir Anthony Raison, Timothy Taylor, Robert (Croydon, N.W.)
Mills, Peter (Torrington) Ramsden, Rt. Hn. James Tebbit, Norman
Mills, Stratton (Belfast, N.) Rawlinson, Rt. Hn. Sir Peter Temple, John M.
Miscampbell, Norman Redmond, Robert Thatcher, Rt. Hn. Mrs. Margaret
Mitchell,Lt.-Col.C.(Aberdeenshire,W) Reed, Laurance (Bolton, E.) Thomas, John Stradling (Monmouth)
Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) Rees, Peter (Dover) Thomas, Rt. Hn. Peter (Hendon, S.)
Moate, Roger Rees-Davies, W. R. Thompson, Sir Richard (Croydon, S.)
Molyneaux, James Renton, Rt. Hn. Sir David Tilney, John
Money, Ernle Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon Trafford, Dr. Anthony
Monks, Mrs. Connie Ridley, Hn. Nicholas Trew, Peter
Monro, Hector Ridsdale, Julian Tugendhat, Christopher
Montgomery, Fergus Roberts, Michael (Cardiff, N.) Turton, Rt. Hn. R. H.
More, Jasper Roberts, Wyn (Conway) Vaughan, Dr. Gerard
Morgan, Geraint (Denbigh) Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks) Vickers, Dame Joan
Morgan-Giles, Rear-Adm. Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) Waddington, David
Morrison, Charles (Devizes) Rost, Peter Walder, David (Clitheroe)
Mudd, David Royle, Anthony Walker, Rt. Hn. Peter (Worcester)
Murton, Oscar Russell, Sir Ronald Walker-Smith, Rt. Hn. Sir Derek
Nabarro, Sir Gerald St. John-Stevas, Norman Wall, Patrick
Neave, Airey Scott, Nicholas Waiters, Dennis
Nicholls, Sir Harmar Shaw, Michael (Sc'b'gh & Whitby) Ward, Dame Irene
Normanton, Tom Shelton, William (Clapham) Warren, Kenneth
Nott, John Simeons, Charles Weatherill, Bernard
Onslow, Cranley Sinclair, Sir George Wells, John (Maidstone)
Oppenheim, Mrs. Sally Skeet, T. H. H. White, Roger (Gravesend)
Osborn, John Smith, Dudley (W'wick & L'mington) Whitelaw, Rt. Hn. William
Owen, Idris (Stockport, N.) Soref, Harold Wiggin, Jerry
Page, Graham (Crosby) Speed, Keith Wilkinson, John
Page, John (Harrow, W.) Spence, John Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick
Parkinson, Cecil (Enfield, W.) Sproat, Iain Wood, Rt. Hn. Richard
Peel, John Stainton, Keith Wooddhouse, Hn. Christopher
Percival, Ian Stanbrook, Ivor Woodnutt, Mark
Peyton, Rt. Hn. John Stewart-Smith, D. G. (Belper) Worsley, Marcus
Pike, Miss Mervyn Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M. Wylie, Rt. Hn. N. R.
Pink, R. Bonner Stokes, John Younger, Hn. George
Pounder, Rafton Stuttaford, Dr. Tom
Powell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch Sutcliffe, John TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Price, David (Eastleigh) Tapsell, Peter Mr. Walter Clegg and
Proudfoot, Wilfred Taylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne) Mr. Tim Fortescue.
Pym, Rt. Hn. Francis Taylor,Edward M.(G'gow,Cathcart)
Queunell, Miss J. M. Taylor, Frank (Moss Side)
NOES
Albu, Austen Cox, Thomas (Wandsworth, C.) Freeson, Reginald
Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.) Crawshaw, Richard Galpern, Sir Myer
Allen, Scholefield Cronin, John Garrett, W. E.
Archer, Peter (Rowley Regis) Cunningham, G. (Islington, S.W.) Gilbert, Dr. John
Armstrong, Ernest Cunningham, Dr. J. A. (Whitehaven) Ginsburg, David
Ashton, Joe Dalyell, Tam Gordon Walker, Rt. Hn, P. C.
Atkinson, Norman Davidson, Arthur Grant, George (Morpeth)
Bagier, Gordon A, T. Davies, Denzil (Llanelly) Grant, John D. (Islington, E.)
Barnes, Michael Davies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.) Griffiths, Eddie (Brightside)
Barnett, Joel Davies, Ifor (Gower) Griffiths, Will (Exchange)
Beaney, Alan Davis, Clinton (Hackney, C.) Hamilton, James (Bothwell)
Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony Wedgwood Deakins, Eric Hamilton, William (Fife, W.)
Bennett, James (Glasgow, Bridgeton) de Freitas, Rt. Hn. Sir Geoffrey Hannan, William (G'gow, Maryhill)
Bidwell, Sydney Delargy, H. J. Hardy, Peter
Bishop, E. S. Dell, Rt. Hn. Edmund Harper, Joseph
Blenkinsop, Arthur Dempsey, James Harrison, Walter (Wakefield)
Boardman, H. (Leigh) Doig, Peter Hart, Rt. Hn. Judith
Booth, Albert Dormand, J. D. Hattersley, Roy
Bottomley, Rt. Hn. Arthur Douglas, Dick (Stirlingshire, E.) Healey, Rt. Hn. Denis
Boyden, James (Bishop Auckland) Douglas-Mann, Bruce Heffer, Eric S.
Bradley, Tom Driberg, Tom Hilton, W. S.
Brown, Bob (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne,W.) Duffy, A. E. P. Horam, John
Brown, Hugh D. (G'gow, Provan) Dunn, James A. Houghton, Rt. Hn. Douglas
Brown, Ronald (Shoreditch & F'bury) Dunnett, Jack Howell, Denis (Small Heath)
Buchan, Norman Eadie, Alex
Buchanan, Richard (G'gow, Sp'burn) Edelman, Maurice Huckfield, Leslie
Butler, Mrs. Joyce (Wood Green) Edwards, Robert (Bilston) Hughes, Rt. Hn. Cledwyn (Anglesey)
Callaghan, Rt. Hn. James Edwards, William (Merioneth) Hughes, Mark (Durham)
Campbell, I. (Dunbartonshire, W.) Ellis, Tom Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen, N.)
Cant, R. B. English, Michael Hughes, Roy (Newport)
Carmichael, Neil Evans, Fred Hunter, Adem
Carter, Ray (Birmingh'm, Northfield) Fernyhough, E. Jenner, Greville
Carter-Jones, Lewis (Eccles) Fisher, Mrs.Doris(B'ham,Ladywood) Jay, Rt. Hn. Douglas
Castle, Rt. Hn. Barbara Fitch, Alan (Wigan) Jeger,Mrs.Lena(H'b'n&St.P'cras,S.)
Clark, David (Colne Valley) Fletcher, Raymond (Ilkeston) Jenkins, Hugh (Putney)
Cocks, Michael (Bristol, S.) Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) Jenkins, Rt. Hn. Roy (Stechford)
Cohen, Stanley Foley, Maurice John, Brynmor
Coleman, Donald Foot, Michael Johnson, Carol (Lewisham, S.)
Concannon, J. D. Ford, Ben Johnson, James (K'ston-on-Hull, W.)
Conlan, Bernard Forrester, John Johnson, Water (Derby, S.)
Corbet, Mrs. Freda Fraser, John (Norwood) Jones, Barry (Flint, E.)
Jones, Dan (Burnley) Milne, Edward (Blyth) Silkin, Hn. S. C. (Dulwich)
Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, W.) Molloy, William Sillars, James
Kaufman, Gerald Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire) Silverman, Julius
Kerr, Russell Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) Skinner, Dennis
Kinnock, Neil Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) Small, William
Lambie, David Morris, Rt. Hn. John (Aberavon) Smith, John (Lanarkshire. N.)
Lamond, James Moyle, Roland Spearing, Nigel
Latham, Arthur Mulley, Rt. Hn. Frederick Spriggs, Leslie
Lawson, George Murray, Ronald King Stallard, A. W.
Leadbitter, Ted Ogden, Eric Stewart, Rt. Hn. Michael (Fulham)
Lee, Rt. Hn. Frederick O'Halloran, Michael Stoddart, David (Swindon)
Leonard, Dick O'Malley, Brian Stonehouse, Rt. Hn. John
Lestor, Miss Joan Oram, Bert Strang, Gavin
Lever, Rt. Hn. Harold Orbach, Maurice Summerskill, Hn. Dr. Shirley
Lewis, Arthur (W. Ham N.) Orme, Stanley Swain, Thomas
Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) Oswald, Thomas Taverne, Dick
Lipton, Marcus Owen, Dr. David (Plymouth, Sutton) Thomas,Rt.Hn.George (Cardiff,W.)
Lomas, Kenneth Paget, R. T. Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery)
Loughlin, Charles Palmer, Arthur Thomson, Rt. Hn. G. (Dundee, E.)
Lyon, Alexander W. (York) Parry, Robert (Liverpool, Exchange) Tinn, James
Lyons, Edward (Bradford, E.) Pavitt, Laurie Torney, Tom
Mabon, Dr. J. Dickson Pearl, Rt. Hn. Fred Urwin, T. W.
McBride, Neil Pendry, Tom Varley, Eric G.
McCartney, Hugh Pentland, Norman Wainwright, Edwin
McElhone, Frank Perry, Ernest G. Walden, Brian (B'm'ham, All Saints)
McGuire, Michael Prentice, Rt. Hn. Reg. Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
Mackenzie, Gregor Prescott, John Wallace, George
Mackie, John Price, J. T. (Westhoughton) Watkins, David
Mackintosh, John P. Price, William (Rugby) Weitzman, David
Maclennan, Robert Probert, Arthur Wellbeloved, James
McMillan, Tom (Glasgow, C.) Rankin, John Wells, William (Walsall, N.)
McNamara, J. Kevin Reed, D. (Sedgefield) White, James (Glasgow, Pollok)
MacPherson, Malcolm Rees, Merlyn (Leeds, S.) Whitehead, Phillip
Mahon, Simon (Bootle) Richard, Ivor Whitlock, William
Mallalieu, J. P. W. (Huddersfield, E.) Roberts, Albert (Normanton) Willey, Rt. Hn. Frederick
Marks, Kenneth Roberts,Rt.Hn.Goronwy(Caernarvon) Williams, Alan (Swansea, W.)
Marquand, David Roderick, Caerwyn E.(Br'c'n&R'dnor) Williams, Mrs. Shirley (Hitchin)
Marsh, Rt. Hn. Richard Rodgers, William (Stockton-on-Tees) Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton)
Mason, Rt. Hn. Roy Roper, John Wilson, Rt. Hn. Harold (Huyton)
Meacher, Michael Rose, Paul B. Wilson, William (Coventry, S.)
Mellish, Rt. Hn. Robert Ross, Rt. Hn. William (Kilmarnock)
Mendelson, John Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-under-Lyne) TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Mikardo, Ian Shore, Rt. Hn. Peter (Stepney) Mr. John Golding and
Millan, Bruce Short,Rt.Hn.Edward(N'c'tle-u-Tyne) Mr. William Hamling
Miller, Dr. M. S. Siikin, Rt. Hn. John (Deptford)

Clause 27 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

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