§
Motion made, and Question put,
That the Proceedings on the Motion relating to Industrial Relations Bill (Allocation of Time) may be entered upon and proceeded
§ with at this day's Sitting at any hour, though opposed; and that the Proceedings on the Industrial Relations Bill may be entered upon and proceeded with at this day's Sitting at any hour during a period of two hours after Ten o'clock, though opposed.—[Mr. Pym.]
§ The House proceeded to a Division—
§ Mr. Loughlin (seated and covered)On a point of order. It is now eight minutes past Ten o'clock. The Motion on the Order Paper is stated quite specifically as being at Ten o'clock, but it was not put by you until five minutes past Ten. If there is a Motion stating that at Ten o'clock the House shall take a course of action, how is it possible for that Motion to be put at five minutes past the hour? I wonder whether you will——
§ Mr. SpeakerIf I may interrupt the hon. Gentleman, the Question is as I have read it. Mr. Loughlin, to raise a point of order.
§ Mr. LoughlinI had put my point of order. The Order Paper, at page 4321, gives notice of a Motion to be put at Ten o'clock. I submit that you put that Motion, not at Ten o'clock, but at five minutes past Ten, and that therefore it was out of order.
§ Mr. SpeakerI rule that at Ten o'clock the sitting of the House was suspended. I put the Motion at the earliest moment thereafter, and it was in order.
§ The House divided: Ayes 308, Noes 276.
165| Division No. 67.] | AYES | [10.5 p.m. |
| Adley, Robert | Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. John | Cooke, Robert |
| Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash) | Braine, Bernard | Coombs, Derek |
| Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead) | Bray, Ronald | Cooper, A. E. |
| Cordle, John | ||
| Amery, Rt. Hn. Julian | Brewis, John | Cormack, Patrick |
| Archer, Jeffrey (Louth) | Brinton, Sir Tatton | Costain, A. P. |
| Astor, John | Brocklebank-Fowler, Christopher | Critchley, Julian |
| Atkins, Humphrey | Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) | Crouch, David |
| Awdry, Daniel | Bruce-Gardyne, J. | Crowder, F. P. |
| Baker, W. H. K. (Banff) | Bryan, Paul | Curran, Charles |
| Baker, Kenneth (St. Marylebone) | Buchanan-Smith, Alick(Angus,N&M) | Dalkeith, Earl of |
| Balniel, Lord | Buck, Antony | Davies, Rt. Hn. John (Knutsford) |
| Barber, Rt. Hn. Anthony | Bullus, Sir Eric | d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir Henry |
| Batsford, Brian | Burden, F. A. | d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Maj.-Gen. Jack |
| Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton | Butler, Adam (Bosworth) | Dean, Paul |
| Bell, Ronald | Campbell, Rt.Hn.G.(Moray&Nairn) | Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. |
| Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torquay) | Carlisle, Mark | Digby, Simon Wingfield |
| Benyon, W. | Carr, Rt. Hn. Robert | Dixon, Piers |
| Berry, Hn. Anthony | Cary, Sir Robert | Dodds-Parker, Douglas |
| Biffen, John | Channon, Paul | Douglas-Home, Rt. Hn. Sir Alec |
| Biggs-Davison, John | Chapman, Sydney | Drayson, G. B. |
| Blaker, Peter | Chataway, Rt. Hn. Christopher | du Cann, Rt. Hn. Edward |
| Boardman, Tom (Leicester, S. W.) | Churchill, W. S. | Dykes, Hugh |
| Body, Richard | Clark, William (Surrey, E.) | Eden, Sir John |
| Boscawen, Robert | Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) | Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) |
| Bossom, Sir Clive | Clegg, Walter | Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton) |
| Bowden, Andrew | Cockeram, Eric | Elliott, R. W. (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne,N.) |
| Emery, Peter | Kinsey, J. R. | Rees, Peter (Dover) |
| Farr, John | Kirk, Peter | Rees-Davies, W. R. |
| Fell, Anthony | Kitson, Timothy | Renton, Rt. Hn. Sir David |
| Fenner, Mrs. Peggy | Knight, Mrs. Jill | Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon |
| Fidler, Michael | Knox, David | Ridley, Hn. Nicholas |
| Finsberg, Geoffrey (Hampstead) | Lambton, Antony | Ridsdale, Julian |
| Fisher, Nigel (Surbiton) | Lane, David | Rippon, Rt. Hn. Geoffrey |
| Fletcher-Cooke, Charles | Langford-Holt, Sir John | Roberts, Michael (Cardiff, N.) |
| Fookes, Miss Janet | Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry | Roberts, Wyn (Conway) |
| Fortescue, Tim | Le Marchant, Spencer | Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks) |
| Foster, Sir John | Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) | Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) |
| Fowler, Norman | Lloyd, Ian (P'tsm'th, Langstone) | Rost, Peter |
| Fox, Marcus | Longden, Gilbert | Royle, Anthony |
| Fraser,Rt.Hn.Hugh(St'fford & Stone) | Loveridge, John | Russell, Sir Ronald |
| Fry, Peter | McAdden, Sir Stephen | St. John-Stevas, Norman |
| Galbraith, Hn. T. G. | MacArthur, Ian | Scott, Nicholas |
| Gardner, Edward | McCrindle, R. A. | Sharples, Richard |
| Gibson-Watt, David | McLaren, Martin | Shaw, Michael (Sc'b'gh & Whitby) |
| Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.) | Maclean, Sir Fitzroy | Shelton, William (Clapham) |
| Gilmour, Sir John (Fife, E.) | McMaster, Stanley | Simeons, Charles |
| Glyn, Dr. Alan | Macmillan, Maurice (Farnham) | Sinclair, Sir George |
| Goodhart, Phillip | McNair-Wilson, Michael | Skeet, T. H. H. |
| Goodhew, Victor | McNair-Wilson, Patrick (NewForest) | Smith, Dudley (W'wick & L'mington) |
| Gorst, John | Maddan, Martin | Soref, Harold |
| Gower, Raymond | Madel, David | Speed, Keith |
| Grant, Anthony (Harrow, C.) | Maginnis, John E. | Spence, John |
| Gray, Hamish | Marples, Rt. Hn. Ernest | Sproat, Iain |
| Green, Alan | Marten, Neil | Stainton, Keith |
| Grieve, Percy | Mather, Carol | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds) | Maude, Angus | Stewart-Smith, D. G. (Belper) |
| Grylls, Michael | Maudling, Rt. Hn. Reginald | Stodart, Anthony (Edinburgh, W.) |
| Gummer, Selwyn | Mawby, Ray | Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M. |
| Gurden, Harold | Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J. | Stokes, John |
| Hall, Miss Joan (Keighley) | Meyer, Sir Anthony | Stuttaford, Dr. Tom |
| Hall, John (Wycombe) | Mills, Peter (Torrington) | Sutcliffe, John |
| Hall-Davis, A. G. F. | Miscampbell, Norman | |
| Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) | Mitchell,Lt.-Col.C.(Aberdeenshire,W) | Tapsell, Peter |
| Hannam, John (Exeter) | Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) | Taylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne) |
| Harrison, Brian (Maldon) | Moate, Roger | Taylor,Edward M.(G'gow,Cathcart) |
| Harrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye) | Molyneaux, James | Taylor, Frank (Moss Side) |
| Harvey, Sir Arthur Vere | Money, Ernie | Taylor, Robert (Croydon, N.W.) |
| Haselhurst, Alan | Monks, Mrs. Connie | Tebbit, Norman |
| Hastings, Stephen | Monro, Hector | Temple, John M. |
| Havers, Michael | Montgomery, Fergus | Thatcher, Rt. Hn. Mrs. Margaret |
| Hawkins, Paul | Morgan, Geraint (Denbigh) | Thomas, John Stradling (Monmouth) |
| Hay, John | Morgan-Giles, Rear-Adm. | Thomas, Rt. Hn. Peter (Hendon, S.) |
| Hayhoe, Barney | Morrison, Charles (Devizes) | Thompson, Sir Richard (Croydon, S.) |
| Heath, Rt. Hn. Edward | Mudd, David | Tilney, John |
| Heseltine, Michael | Murton, Oscar | Trafford, Dr. Anthony |
| Hicks, Robert | Nabarro, Sir Gerald | Trew, Peter |
| Higgins, Terence L. | Neave, Airey | Tugendhat, Christopher |
| Hiley, Joseph | Nicholls, Sir Harmer | Turton, Rt. Hn. R. H. |
| Hill, John E. B (Norfolk, S.) | Normanton, Tom | van Straubenzee, W. R. |
| Hill, James (Southampton, Test) | Nott, John | Vaughan, Dr. Gerard |
| Holland, Philip | Onslow, Cranley | Vickers, Dame Joan |
| Holt, Miss Mary | Oppenheim, Mrs. Sally | Waddington, David |
| Hordern, Peter | Orr, Capt. L. P. S. | Welder, David (Clitheroe) |
| Hornby, Richard | Owen, Idris (Stockport, N.) | Walker-Smith, Rt. Hn. Sir Derek |
| Howe, Hn. Sir Geoffrey (Reigate) | Page, Graham (Crosby) | Wall, Patrick |
| Howell, David (Guildford) | Page, John (Harrow, W.) | Walters, Dennis |
| Howell, Ralph (Norfolk, North) | Parkinson, Cecil (Enfield, W.) | Ward, Dame Irene |
| Hunt, John | Peel, John | Warren, Kenneth |
| Hutchison, Michael Clark | Percival, Ian | Weatherill, Bernard |
| Iremonger, T. L. | Peyton, Rt. Hn. John | wells, John (Maidstone) |
| James, David | Pike, Miss Mervyn | White, Roger (Gravesend) |
| Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford) | Pink, R. Bonner | Whitelaw, Rt. Hn. William |
| Jessel, Toby | Pounder, Rafton | Wiggin, Jerry |
| Johnson Smith, G. (E. Grinstead) | Powell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch | Wilkinson, John |
| Jones, Arthur (Northants, South) | Price, David (Eastleigh) | Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick |
| Jopling, Michael | Prior, Rt. Hn. J. M. L. | Wood, Rt. Hn. Richard |
| Joseph, Rt. Hn. Sir Keith | Proudfoot, Wilfred | Woodnutt, Mark |
| Kaberry, Sir Donald | Pym, Rt. Hn. Francis | Worsley, Marcus |
| Kellett, Mrs. Elaine | Quennell, Miss J. M. | Wylie, Rt. Hn. N. R. |
| Kershaw, Anthony | Raison, Timothy | Younger, Hn. George |
| Kilfedder, James | Ramsden, Rt. Hn. James | |
| Kimball, Marcus | Rawlinson, Rt. Hn. Sir Peter | TELLERS FOR THE AYES: |
| King, Evelyn (Dorset, South) | Redmond, Robert | Mr. Jasper More and |
| King, Tom (Bridgwater) | Reed, Laurance (Bolton, E.) | Mr. Reginald Eyre. |
| NOES | ||
| Abse, Leo | Alldritt, Walter | Armstrong, Ernest |
| Albu, Austen | Allen, Scholefietd | Ashley, Jack |
| Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.) | Archer, Peter (Rowley Regis) | Ashton, Joe |
| Atkinson, Norman | Garrett, W. E. | Mellish, Rt. Hn. Robert |
| Bagier, Gordon A. T. | Gilbert, Dr. John | Mendelson, John |
| Barnes, Michael | Ginsburg, David | Mikardo, Ian |
| Barnett, Joel | Gordon Walker, Rt. Hn. P. C. | Millan, Bruce |
| Baxter, William | Gourlay, Harry | Miller, Dr. M. S. |
| Beaney, Alan | Grant, George (Morpeth) | Milne, Edward (Blyth) |
| Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony Wedgwood | Grant, John D. (Islington, E.) | Molloy, William |
| Bennett, James (Glasgow, Bridgeton) | Griffiths, Eddie (Brightside) | Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire) |
| Bidwell, Sydney | Griffiths, Will (Exchange) | Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) |
| Bishop, E. S. | Gunter, Rt. Hn. R. J. | Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) |
| Blenkinsop, Arthur | Hamilton, James (Bothwell) | Morris, Rt. Hn. John (Aberavon) |
| Boardman, H. (Leigh) | Hamilton, William (Fife, W.) | Moyle, Roland |
| Booth, Albert | Hamling, William | Mulley, Rt. Hn. Frederick |
| Bottomley, Rt. Hn. Arthur | Hannan, William (G'gow, Maryhill) | Murray, Ronald King |
| Boyden, James (Bishop Auckland) | Hardy, Peter | Ogden, Eric |
| Bradley, Tom | Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) | O'Halloran, Michael |
| Brown, Bob (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne, W.) | Hart, Rt. Hn. Judith | O'Malley, Brian |
| Brown, Hugh D. (G'gow, Provan) | Healey, Rt. Hn. Denis | Oram, Bert |
| Brown, Ronald (Shoreditch & F'bury) | Heffer, Eric S. | Orbach, Maurice |
| Buchan, Norman | Hilton, W. S. | Orme, Stanley |
| Buchanan, Richard (G'gow, Sp'burn) | Horam, John | Oswald, Thomas |
| Butler, Mrs. Joyce (Wood Green) | Houghton, Rt. Hn. Douglas | Owen, Dr. David (Plymouth, Sutton) |
| Callaghan, Rt. Hn. James | Howell, Denis (Small Heath) | Padley, Walter |
| Campbell, I. (Dunbartonshire, W.) | Huckfield, Leslie | Paget, R. T. |
| Cant, R. B. | Hughes, Rt. Hn. Cledwyn (Anglesey) | Palmer, Arthur |
| Carmichael, Neil | Hughes, Mark (Durham) | Pannell, Rt. Hn. Charles |
| Carter, Ray (Birmingh'm, Northfield) | Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen, North) | Parker, John (Dagenham) |
| Carter-Jones, Lewis (Eccles) | Hughes, Roy (Newport) | Parry, Robert (Liverpool, Exchange) |
| Castle, Rt. Hn. Barbara | Hunter, Adam | Pavitt, Laurie |
| Clark, David (Colne Valley) | Irvine,Rt.Hn.SirArthur(Edge Hill) | Peart, Rt. Hn. Fred |
| Cocks, Michael, (Bristol, S.) | Janner, Greville | Pendry, Tom |
| Cohen, Stanley | Jay, Rt. Hn. Douglas | Pentland, Norman |
| Coleman, Donald | Jeger,Mrs.Lena(H'b'n&St.P'cras, S.) | Perry, Ernest G. |
| Concannon, J. D. | Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) | Prentice, Rt. Hn. Reg. |
| Conlan, Bernard | Jenkins, Rt. Hn. Roy (Stechford) | Prescott, John |
| Corbet, Mrs. Freda | John, Brynmor | Price, J T. (Westhoughton) |
| Cox, Thomas (Wandsworth, C.) | Johnson, Carol (Lewisham, S.) | Price, William (Rugby) |
| Crawshaw, Richard | Johnson, James (K'ston-on-Hull, W.) | Probert, Arthur |
| Cronin, John | Johnson, Walter (Derby, South) | Rankin, John |
| Crosland, Rt. Hn. Anthony | Jones, Barry (Flint, East) | Reed, D. (Sedgefield) |
| Crossman, Rt. Hn. Richard | Jones, Dan (Burnley) | Rees, Merlyn (Leeds, S.) |
| Cunningham, G. (Islington, S.W.) | Jones,Rt.Hn. Sir Elwyn(W.Ham, S.) | Rhodes, Geoffrey |
| Cunningham, Dr. J. A. (Whitehaven) | Jones, Gwynoro (Carmarthen) | Richard, Ivor |
| Dalyell, Tam | Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, West) | Roberts, Albert (Normanton) |
| Darling, Rt. Hn. George | Kaufman, Gerald | Roberts,Rt.Hn.Goronwy(Caernarvon) |
| Davidson, Arthur | Kelley, Richard | Robertson, John (Paisley) |
| Davies, Denzil (Llanelly) | Kerr, Russell | Roderick,Caerwyn E.(Br'c'n&R'dnor) |
| Davies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.) | Kinnock, Neil | Rodgers, William (Stockton-on-Tees) |
| Davies, Ifor (Gower) | Lambie, David | Roper, John |
| Davies, S. O. (Merthyr Tydvil) | Lamond, James | Rose, Paul B. |
| Davis Clinton (Hackney, C.) | Latham, Arthur | Ross, Rt. Hn. William (Kilmarnock) |
| Deakins, Eric | Lawson, George | Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-under-Lyne) |
| de Freitas, Rt. Hn. Sir Geoffrey | Leadbitter, Ted | Shore, Rt. Hn. Peter (Stepney) |
| Delargy, H. J. | Lee, Rt. Hn. Frederick | Short,Rt.Hn.Edward(N'c'tle-u-Tyne) |
| Dell, Rt. Hn. Edmund | Leonard, Dick | Short, Mrs. Renée (W'hampton,N.E.) |
| Dempsey, James | Lestor, Miss Joan | Silkin, Rt. Hn. John (Deptford) |
| Devlin, Miss Bernadette | Lever, Rt. Hn. Harold | Silkin, Hn. S. C. (Dulwich) |
| Doig, Peter | Lewis, Arthur (W. Ham, N.) | Sillars, James |
| Dormand, J. D. | Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) | Silverman, Julius |
| Douglas, Dick (Stirlingshire, E.) | Lipton, Marcus | Skeffington, Arthur |
| Douglas-Mann, Bruce | Lomas, Kenneth | Skinner, Dennis |
| Driberg, Tom | Loughlin, Charles | Small, William |
| Duffy, A. E. P. | Lyon, Alexander W. (York) | Spearing, Nigel |
| Dunn, James A. | Lyons, Edward (Bradford, East) | Spriggs, Leslie |
| Dunnett, Jack | Mabon, Dr. J. Dickson | Stallard, A. W. |
| Eadie, Alex | McBride, Neil | Stewart, Rt. Hn. Michael (Fulham) |
| Edelman, Maurice | McCartney, Hugh | Stoddart, David (Swindon) |
| Edwards, Robert (Bilston) | McElhone, Frank | Stonehouse, Rt. Hn. John |
| Edwards, William (Merioneth) | McGuire, Michael | Strang, Gavin |
| Ellis, Tom | Mackenzie, Gregor | Strauss, Rt. Hn. G. R. |
| English, Michael | Mackie, John | Summerskill, Hn. Dr. Shirley |
| Evans, Fred | Mackintosh, John P. | Swain, Thomas |
| Fernyhough, E. | Maclennan, Robert | Taverne, Dick |
| Fisher, Mrs.Doris(B'ham,Ladywood) | McMillan, Tom (Glasgow, C.) | Thomas,Rt.Hn.George (Cardiff,W.) |
| Fitch, Alan (Wigan) | McNamara, J. Kevin | Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery) |
| Fletcher, Raymond (Ilkeston) | MacPherson, Malcolm | Thomson, Rt. Hn. G. (Dundee, E.) |
| Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) | Mahon, Simon (Bootle) | Tinn, James |
| Foley, Maurice | Mallalieu, J. P. W. (Huddersfield, E.) | Tomney, Frank |
| Foot, Michael | Marks, Kenneth | Torney, Thomas |
| Ford, Ben | Marquand, David | Urwin, T. W. |
| Forrester, John | Marsh, Rt. Hn. Richard | Varley, Eric G. |
| Fraser, John (Norwood) | Mason, Rt. Hn. Roy | Wainwright, Edwin |
| Freeson, Reginald | Mayhew, Christopher | Walden, Brian (B'm'ham, All Saints) |
| Galpern, Sir Myer | Meacher, Michael | Walker, Harold (Doncaster) |
| Wallace, George | Whitehead, Phillip | Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton) |
| Watkins, David | Whitlock, William | Wilson, Rt. Hn. Harold (Huyton) |
| Weitzman, David | Willey, Rt. Hn. Frederick | Wilson, William (Coventry, S.) |
| Wellbeloved, James | Williams, Alan (Swansea, W.) | |
| Wells, William (Walsall, N.) | Williams, Mrs. Shirley (Hitchin) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| White, James (Glasgow, Pollok) | Williams, W. T. (Warrington) | Mr. Joseph Harper and |
| Mr. John Golding. |