HC Deb 23 February 1971 vol 812 cc415-29

Question proposed, That the Clause stand part of the Bill.

Mr. Murray

This is an enabling Clause dealing with the power of the Supreme Court of England to make rules to cover cases where actions of damages are pending and to enable such actions to be assessed in the ordinary courts while procedure is taking place under the Bill in industrial tribunals. Similar procedures are provided for the Court of Session in Scotland. As I have been asked by at least one of my hon. Friends what an "Act of Sederunt" in subsection (2) means, I hasten to say that these formidable words merely refer to the power to make similar rules in the Scottish Supreme Court.

The importance of this Clause is that it provides us for the first time with the opportunity of considering the part which industrial tribunals are to play under the Bill. Because of the guillotine, we have had no opportunity to discuss any Clause or part of a Clause under Part VI of the Bill.

The industrial tribunals were set up under the Industrial Training Act, 1964, to determine appeals by persons assessed to training levies which were imposed under that Act. Their functions have been extended several times by subsequent Acts. The Redundancy Payments Act, 1965, deals with the problems of entitlement to redundancy which arise when there is a stoppage of work after an employer has given notice to an employee of termination of employment. That is dealt with in Section 40. Section 42 deals with the question of the right to or amount of redundancy payments in the case of certain public employees who, because of the nature of their employment, are not entitled to redundancy payments but are given certain payments as if they are entitled. Disputes under these provisions are sent to the industrial tribunals.

The Redundancy Payments Act. 1965, extended the jurisdiction of industrial tribunals to deal with cases in which employers failed to provide a written statement of terms of employment under the Contracts of Employment Act, 1963. An employee was given the right to apply to an industrial tribunal to determine what terms should be included if the employer did not comply with his obligation under Section 4 of that Act as amended.

By the Docks and Harbours Act, 1966, industrial tribunals were empowered to determine disputes about the meaning of dock work. Under the Selective Employment Payments Act, 1966, they were given jurisdiction to decide whether a business or part of a business was an establishment within the meaning of the Act, so attracting selective employment payments, and to adjudicate on the amount of any such payment under the Act.

Those are the limits of the functions which industrial tribunals exercise, although they will exercise further functions under the Equal Pay Act, 1970.

It is important for the Committee to note that the rôle of industrial tribunals in all cases is essentially one of industrial arbitration on an individual employee's rights or an individual employer's rights.

In giving the industrial tribunals these jurisdictions, the legislature did not entrench in any way on industrial disputes. It did not give to the industrial tribunals any jurisdiction on industrial disputes in the sense in which the Bill deals with them. Nor did it encroach in any way on the ordinary functions of the courts in law. This is changed by the Bill. It would be fair to say that industrial tribunals under the Bill are made into mini-courts on the model of the National Industrial Relations Court. This is done by Clause 89 and Schedule 5, neither of which we have been given an opportunity to discuss. A blank cheque is given in Schedule 5 to the Secretary of State to determine by regulations the precise jurisdiction that these tribunals shall have, and also to make the Secretary of State, if he so chooses, a party to any proceedings, although—to use the language of the Bill—he is on the face of it an extraneous party. This is an important result, and it is deplorable that we have not had an opportunity to discuss the important principle which lies in this transmutation of industrial tribunals from arbitral bodies into mini-courts.

8.30 p.m.

The Bill gives industrial tribunals extensive powers. This was referred to in the last debate when the question of legal aid in regard to these tribunals was mentioned. It was noted by the Committee at that point that by Clause 99 the Bill provides for the conferring of jurisdiction for breach of contract on these tribunals. That conferring of jurisdiction has not yet been made. It is merely, as the Solicitor-General pointed out, put in as an enabling power. But when one looks at the rubric to Clause 116, which reads Unfair industrial practice in breach of contract of employment one cannot doubt that this will be associated with an exercise of the enabling power under Clause 99, and that in the not so distant future industrial tribunals, in addition to the functions which I shall mention in a moment, will deal with actions of damages for breach of contract of employment. Apart from that enabling provision, the Bill gives to the industrial tribunals power to award compensation under Clause 97(2)(b). It has power to deal with complaints by employees of unfair industrial practices in breach of workers' rights under Clause 5, which, as we have already seen, is very extensive and far-reaching. Industrial tribunals are also given power to deal with unfair dismissal under Clause 20, and that is dealt with in Clause 94. They are also given powers to deal with complaints against employees' or workers' organisations on the grounds of breach of the guiding principles for workers' organisations in regard to membership and participation in activities. That jurisdiction, together with jurisdiction for corresponding breaches in regard to employers' organisations, is given to industrial tribunals under Clause 95. These breaches are far-reaching in their effect, and industrial tribunals are being given considerable jurisdiction, analogous to that of the National Industrial Relations Court.

Under Clause 96 industrial tribunals are given a similar jurisdiction in regard to complaints by the registrar. Once again it is important to stress that the registrar, who is to play an important role under the Bill, will have power to bring complaints to the industrial tribunal, just as he has power to originate complaints to the National Industrial Relations Court.

Industrial tribunals are constituted at present under Statutory Instrument—this can be changed, I presume, by Statutory Instrument—and they consist of a legally qualified chairman and two members—one employers' representative and one workers' representative. When considering the albeit limited jurisdiction which is given to industrial tribunals, we must remember that the Bill gives them legal functions which, by adding a crushing burden of legalism, will have the effect of squeezing out all hope of moderation and the climate of arbitration in which industrial relations can prosper. That is what worries me about this provision. We have said repeatedly that the trouble with the National Industrial Relations Court is that it is trying to introduce the heavy hand of the law where a more delicate touch would be appropriate. The same can be said of the industrial tribunals, moderated only by the fact that industrial tribunals have been given a lesser rôle to play.

I conclude by stressing that by giving legal functions to essentially arbitral tribunals one is placing upon a committee of three—one legally qualified chairman, one employers' representative and one workers' representative—an enormous burden of legal interpretation and legal application of the law to industrial problems. This is in complete contrast to the functions which industrial tribunals were set up to carry out. They were essentially appointed to deal with disputes of fact of a comparatively minor nature arising in a comparatively non-controversial sphere of industry. This is being changed, and they are being given a controversial rôle, and I regard this as a thoroughly retrograde step.

The Solicitor-General

The hon. and learned Member for Edinburgh, Leith (Mr. Murray) suggests that the nature of the tribunals is being transformed. That is not a fair presentation of the rôle of the tribunals under the Bill.

The essence of the tribunals, as they have grown up over the years, is that they exercise judicial rights and decide legal disputes as to right. They cannot be compared with the Industrial Court, which does straight arbitration as between two claims, because they handle a large number of cases under the Redundancy Payments Act involving the determination of questions of fact and of right. They handle a much smaller number of cases, under the jurisdiction transferred to them from the pension appeals tribunals as well as under a number of other statutes mentioned by the hon. and learned Gentleman, not many under each but all involving the application of detailed law to the facts of different situations. They are distinguished by the fact that they are dealing with claims by individuals against their employers, leaving on one side the industrial training levy cases and selective employment premium cases.

When one mentions these in the same breath, it is plain that these tribunals have become sophisticated bodies dealing with a wide range of subjects but principally dealing with claims of right affecting individuals. This is the role they will continue under the provisions of the Bill. They are to have transferred to them what will be the largest part of their new jurisdiction —namely, questions of unfair dismissal—as was to have been the case under the Labour Government's Bill. This major addition to their rôle will involve cases of the same quality as redundancy payments cases; individual claims raising individual questions against organisations. The new matter that is being transferred to them beyond what was to have been transferred by the former Government's Bill is in regard to cases in which the right to belong or not to belong to a trade union or workers' organisation is in question. Again, those are cases involving individual claims against an organisation comparable in quality and nature to claims that an individual would make against his employer.

In the Government's view, this is not a transformation in any dramatic sense of the kind of work the tribunal will have to do. The additional matter that is being transferred to the tribunals which is the subject of Clause 116 is dependent on the exercise of the powers under Clause 99 to transfer actions for breach of contract to the tribunals. That is a reproduction of Clause 79 or possibly Clause 80 of the Labour Government's Bill, which has also a prospective power was recommended by Donovan to give these more local, more informal and more industrially sophisticated three-man tribunals responsibility for deciding cheaply and informally questions which might never be decided at all; namely, as to holiday entitlement, as to the way

Division No. 190.] AYES [8.40 p.m.
Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash) Braine, Bernard Cockeram, Eric
Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead) Bray, Ronald Cooke, Robert
Astor, John Brewis, John Coombs, Derek
Atkins, Humphrey Brocklebank-Fowler, Christopher Cooper, A. E.
Awdry, Daniel Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) Cordle, John
Baker, W. H. K. (Banff) Bruce-Gardyne, J. Corfield, Rt. Hn. Frederick
Balniel, Lord Bryan, Paul Cormack, Patrick
Barber, Rt. Hn. Anthony Buchanan-Smith, Alick(Angus,N&M) Costain, A. P.
Batsford, Brian Buck, Antony Critchley, Julian
Bell, Ronald Bullus, Sir Eric Crouch, David
Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torquay) Butler, Adam (Bosworth) Crowder, F. P.
Bennett, Dr. Reginald (Gosport) Campbell, Rt.Hn.G.(Moray&Nairn) Curran, Charles
Benyon, W. Carlisle, Mark Dalkeith, Earl of
Berry, Hn. Anthony Cary, Sir Robert Davies, Rt. Hn. John (Knutsford)
Biffen, John Channon, Paul d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir Henry
Biggs-Davison, John Chapman, Sydney d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Maj.-Gen. Jack
Blaker, Peter Chataway, Rt. Hn. Christopher Dean, Paul
Boardman, Tom (Leicester, S.W.) Chichester-Clark, R. Digby, Simon Wingfield
Body, Richard Churchill, W. S. Dixon, Piers
Boscawen, Robert Clark, William (Surrey, E.) Dodds-Parker, Douglas
Bossom, Sir Clive Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Drayson, G. B.
Bowden, Andrew Clegg, Walter du Cann, Rt. Hn. Edward

in which employers fulfil the terms of contracts of employment, and so on. It is right in our view, as in the view of the Labour Government, that power should be taken to transfer those cases to tribunals although the power will not be exercised immediately.

Clause 116 is the corresponding Clause to Clause 81 of the Labour Government's Bill, enabling the court to make rules as to how these matters should be handled once this jurisdiction is given to the tribunals. The Clause bites on only a small area of jurisdiction. It is only those cases which involve breaches of contract in respect of which jurisdiction has been transferred when the order has been made to industrial tribunals which are effected by this Clause. Whether it be by rule of court or act of sederunt, these consequential changes will be made to allow the tribunals to go on handling, with the expertise that they have built up in their eight years of existence, this kind of case affecting individual claims on individual rights, whether against an employer or against organisations of workers.

It is for that reason that I invite the Committee to allow this Clause to stand part of the Bill. It is an essential part of the machinery for bringing speedy and informal justice for individuals into these informal tribunals.

Question put, That the Clause stand part of the Bill:—

The Committee divided: Ayes, 278, Noes 247.

Dykes, Hugh Kershaw, Anthony Ramsden, Rt. Hn. James
Eden, Sir John Kilfedder, James Rawlinson, Rt. Hn. Sir Peter
Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.) Redmond, Robert
Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton) King, Tom (Bridgwater) Reed, Laurance (Bolton, E.)
Elliott, R. W. (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne,N.) Kinsey, J. R. Rees, Peter (Dover)
Emery, Peter Kirk, Peter Rees-Davies, W. R.
Eyre, Reginald Kitson, Timothy Renton, Rt. Hn. Sir David
Farr, John Knox, David Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon
Fell, Anthony Lambton, Antony Ridley, Hn. Nicholas
Fenner, Mrs. Peggy Lane, David Ridsdale, Julian
Finsberg, Geoffrey (Hampstead) Langford-Holt, Sir John Rippon, Rt. Hn. Geoffrey
Fisher, Nigel (Surbiton) Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry Roberts, Michael (Cardiff, N.)
Fletcher-Cooke, Charles Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) Roberts, Wyn (Conway)
Fookes, Miss Janet Lloyd,Rt.Hn.Georey(Sut'nC'dfield) Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks)
Fraser,Rt.Hn.Hugh(St'fford & Stone) Lloyd, Ian (P'tsm'th, Langstone) Rost, Peter
Fry, Peter Longden, Gilbert Royle, Anthony
Galbraith, Hn. T. G. Loveridge, John Russell, Sir Ronald
Gardner, Edward MacArthur, Ian Scott-Hopkins, James
Gibson-Watt, David McCrindle, R. A. Sharpies, Richard
Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.) McLaren, Martin Shaw, Michael (Sc'b'gh & Whitby)
Gilmour, Sir John (Fife, E.) Maclean, Sir Fitzroy Shelton, William (Clapham)
Glyn, Dr. Alan McMaster, Stanley Simeon, Charles
Godber, Rt. Hn. J. B. Macmillan, Maurice (Farnham) Skeet, T. H. H.
Goodhart, Philip McNair-Wilson, Michael Smith, Dudley (W'wick & L'mington)
Goodhew, Victor McNair-Wilson, Patrick (NewForest) Soref, Harold
Gorst, John Maddan, Martin Speed, Keith
Gower, Raymond Maginnis, John E. Spence, John
Grant, Anthony (Harrow, C.) Marten, Neil Sproat, Iain
Gray, Hamish Maude, Angus Stainton, Keith
Green, Alan Maudling, Rt. Hn. Reginald Stanbrook, Ivor
Grieve, Percy Mawby, Ray Stewart-Smith, D. G. (Belper)
Grimond, Rt. Hn. J. Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J. Stodart, Anthony (Edinburgh, W.)
Grylls, Michael Meyer, Sir Anthony Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M.
Gummer, Selwyn Mills, Peter (Torrington) Stokes, John
Gurden, Harold Mills, Stratton, (Belfast, N.) Stuttaford, Dr. Tom
Hall, Miss Joan (Keighley) Miscampbell, Norman Sutcliffe, John
Hall, John (Wycombe) Mitchell,Lt.-Col.C.(Aberdeenshire, W) Tapsell, Peter
Hall-Davis, A. G. F. Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) Taylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne)
Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) Moate, Roger Taylor, Frank (Moss Side)
Hannam, John (Exeter) Molyneaux, James Taylor, Robert (Croydon, N.W.)
Harrison, Brian (Maldon) Money, Ernie Tebbit, Norman
Harvey, Sir Arthur Vere Monks, Mrs. Connie Temple, John M.
Haselhurst, Alan Montgomery, Fergus Thatcher, Rt. Hn. Mrs. Margaret
Havers, Michael More, Jasper Thomas, John Stradling (Monmouth)
Hawkins, Paul Morgan, Geraint (Denbigh) Thompson, Sir Richard (Croydon, S.)
Hay, John Morgan-Giles, Rear-Adm. Trafford, Dr. Anthony
Hayhoe, Barney Mudd, David Trew, Peter
Heseltine, Michael Murton, Oscar Turton, Rt. Hn. R. H.
Hicks, Robert Nabarro, Sir Gerald Van Straubenzee, W. R.
Higgins, Terence L. Neave, Airey Vickers, Dame Joan
Hiley, Joseph Nicholls, Sir Harmar Waddington, David
Hill, John E. B. (Norfolk, S.) Noble, Rt. Hn. Michael Walden, David (Clitheroe)
Hill, James (Southampton, Test) Normanton, Tom Walker, Rt. Hn. Peter (Worcester)
Holland, Philip Nott, Jobn Walker-Smith, Rt. Hn. Sir Derek
Holt, Miss Mary Onslow, Cranley Wall, Patrick
Hooson, Emlyn Onslow, Cranley Walters, Dennis
Hordern, Peter Oppenheim, Mrs. Sally Ward, Dame Irene
Hornby, Richard Orr, Capt. L. P. S. Warren, Kenneth
Hornsby-Smith,Rt.Hn.DamePatricia Osborn, John Weatherill, Bernard
Howe, Hn. Sir Geoffrey (Reigate) Owen, Idris (Stockport, N.) Wells, John (Maidstone)
Howell, David (Guildford) Page, Graham (Crosby) White, Roger, (Gravesend)
Howell, Ralph (Norfolk, N.) Page, John (Harrow, W.) Wiggin, Jerry
Hunt, John Parkinson, Cecil (Enfield, W.) Wilkinson, John
Hutchison, Michael Clark Percival, Ian Wolrige- Gordon, Patrick
Iremonger, T. L. Pike, Miss Mervyn Woodhouse, Hn. Christpher
James, David Pink, R. Bonner Worsley, Marcus
Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford) Pounder, Rafton Wylie, Rt. Hn. N. R.
Jessel, Toby Powell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch Younger, Hn. George
Johnson Smith G. (E. Grinstead) Prior, Rt. Hn. J. M. L.
Jopling, Michael Pym, Rt. Hn. Francis TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Joseph, Rt. Hn. Sir Keith Quennell, Miss J. M. Mr. Tim Fortescue and
Kellett, Mrs. Elaine Raison, Timothy Mr. Hugh Rossi.
Albu, Austen Bagier, Gordon A. T. Booth, Albert
Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.) Barnett, Joel Bradley, Tom
Allen, Scholefield Beaney, Alan Brown, Bob (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne,W.)
Archer, Peter (Rowley Regis) Bennett, James (Glasgow, Bridgeton) Brown, Hugh D. (G'gow, Provan)
Armstrong, Ernest Bidwell, Sydney Brown, Ronald (Shoreditch & F'bury)
Ashley, Jack Bishop, E. S. Buchan, Norman
Ashton, Joe Blenkinsop, Arthur Butler, Mrs. Joyce (Wood Green)
Atkinson, Norman Boardman, H. (Leigh) Callaghan, Rt. Hn. James
Campbell, I. (Dunbartonshire, W.) Huckfield, Leslie Paget, R. T.
Cant, R. B. Hughes, Rt. Hn. Cladwyn (Anglesey) Palmer, Arthur
Carmichael, Neil Hughes, Mark (Durham) Pannell, Rt. Hn. Charles
Carter, Ray (Birmingham, Northfield) Hughes, Roy (Newport) Parker, John (Dagenham)
Carter-Jones, Lewis (Eccles) Hunter, Adam Parry, Robert (Liverpool, Exchange)
Castle, Rt. Hn. Barbara Irvine,Rt.Hn.SirArthur(Edge Hill) Pavitt, Laurie
Clark, David (Colne Valley) Janner, Greville Peart, Rt. Hn. Fred
Cocks, Michael (Bristol, S.) Jay, Rt. Hn. Douglas Pendry, Tom
Cohen, Stanley Jeger,Mrs.Lena(H'b'n&St.P'cras,S.) Pentland, Norman
Concannon, J. D. Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) Perry, Ernest G.
Conlan, Bernard John, Brynmor Prantice, Rt. Hn. Reg.
Corbet, Mrs. Freda Johnson, Carol (Lewisham, S.) Prescott, John
Cox, Thomas (Wandsworth, C.) Johnson, James (K'ston-on-Hull, W.) Price, J. T. (Westhoughton)
Crawshaw, Richard Johnson, Walter (Derby, S.) Probert, Arthur
Cronin, John Jones, Barry (Flint, E.) Rankin, John
Crosland, Rt. Hn. Anthony Jones, Dan (Burnley) Reed, D. (Sedgefield)
Crossman, Rt. Hn. Richard Jones,Rt.Hn.Sir Elwyn(W.Ham,S.) Rees, Merlyn (Leeds, S.)
Cunningham, G. (Islington, S.W.) Jones, Gwynoro (Carmarthen) Rhodes, Geoffrey
Dalyell, Tam Judd, Frank Richard, Ivor
Darling, Rt. Hn. George Kaufman, Gerald Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Davidson, Arthur Kelley, Richard Roberts,Rt.Hn.Goronwy(Caernarvon)
Davies, Denzil (Llanelly) Kerr, Russell Robertson, John (Paisley)
Davies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.) Kinnock, Neil Roderick, Caerwyn E.(Br'c'n&R'dnor)
Davies, S. O. (Merthyr Tydvil) Lambie, David Rodgers, William (Stockton-on-Tees)
Davis, Clinton (Hackney, C.) Lamond, James Roper, John
Deakins, Eric Latham, Arthur Rose, Paul B.
Delargy, H. J. Lawson, George Ross, Rt. Hn. William (Kilmarnock)
Dell, Rt. Hn. Edmund Leadbitter, Ted Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-under-Lyne)
Dempsey, James Lee, Rt. Hn. Frederick Shore, Rt. Hn. Peter (Stepney)
Doig, Peter Leonard, Dick Short,Rt.Hn. Edward(N'c'tle-u-Tyne)
Dormand, J. D. Lestor, Miss Joan Short, Mrs. Renée (W'hampton,N.E.)
Douglas, Dick (Stirlingshire, E.) Lewis, Arthur (W. Ham N.) Silkin, Hn. S. C. (Dulwich)
Douglas-Mann, Bruce Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) Sillars, James
Driberg, Tom Lipton, Marcus Silverman, Julius
Duffy, A. E. P. Lomas, Kenneth Skinner, Dennis
Dunn, James A. Loughlin, Charles Small, William
Dunnett, Jack Lyon, Alexander W. (York) Smith, John (Lanarkshire, N.)
Eddie, Alex Lyons, Edward (Bradford, E.) Spearing, Nigel
Edwards, Robert (Bilston) Mabon, Dr. J. Dickson Spriggs, Leslie
Edwards, William (Merioneth) McBride, Neil Stallard, A. W.
Ellis, Tom McCartney, Hugh Stoddart, David (Swindon)
English, Michael McElhone, Frank Storehouse, Rt. Hn. John
Evans, Fred McGuire, Michael Strang, Gavin
Fernyhough, Rt. Hn. E. Mackenzie, Gregor Strauss, Rt. Hn. G. R.
Fisher, Mrs.Doris(B'ham,Ladywood) Mackie, John Summerskill, Hn. Dr. Shirley
Fitch, Alan (Wigan) Mackintosh, John P. Swain, Thomas
Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) Maclennan, Robert Taverne, Dick
Foley, Maurice McMillan, Tom (Glasgow, C.) Thomas,Rt.Hn.George (Cardiff,W.)
Foot, Michael McNamara, J. Kevin Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery)
Ford, Ben MacPherson, Malcolm Thomson, Rt. Hn. G. (Dundee, E.)
Forrester, John Mahon, Simon (Bootle) Tinn, James
Fraser, John (Norwood) Mallalieu, J. P. W. (Huddersfield, E.) Tomney, Frank
Freeson, Reginald Marks, Kenneth Tuck, Raphael
Galpern, Sir Myer Marquand, David Urwin, T. W.
Garrett, W. E. Mason, Rt. Hn. Roy Valey, Eric G.
Gilbert, Dr. John Meacher, Michael Wainwright, Edwin
Ginsburg, David Mellish, Rt. Hn. Robert Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
Golding, John Mendelson, John Wallace, George
Gourlay, Harry Mikardo, Ian Watkins, David
Grant, George (Morpeth) Millan, Bruce Weitzman, David
Grant, John D. (Islington, E.) Miller, Dr. M. S. Wellbeloved, James
Griffiths, Eddie (Brightside) Mine, Edward (Blyth) Wells, William (Walsall, N.)
Griffiths, Will (Exchange) Molloy, William White, James (Glasgow, Pollok)
Hamilton, James (Bothwell) Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) Whitehead, Phillip
Hamilton, William (Fife, W.) Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) Whitlock, William
Handing, William Morris, Rt. Hn. John (Aberavon) Willey, Rt. Hn. Frederick
Hannan, William (G'gow, Maryhill) Moyle, Roland Williams, Alan (Swansea, W.)
Hardy, Peter Mulley, Rt. Hn. Frederick Williams, Mrs. Shirley (Hitchin)
Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) Murray, Ronald King Williams, W. T. (Warrington)
Hart, Rt. Hn. Judith Ogden, Eric Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton)
Hattersley, Roy O'Halloran, Michael Wilson, William (Coventry, S.)
Heffer, Eric S. O'Malley, Brian
Hilton, W. S. Oram, Bert TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Horam, John Orme, Stanley Mr. Joseph Harper and
Houghton, Rt. Hn. Douglas Oswald, Thomas Mr. Donald Coleman.
Howell, Denis (Small Heath) Owen, Dr. David (Plymouth, Sutton)

Clause 116 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

[Mr. E.L. MALLALIEU in the Chair]

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