HC Deb 03 February 1971 vol 810 cc1837-9

Resolved, That the functions of Traffic Wardens Order, 1970, a draft of which was laid before this House on 12th November, be approved.—[Mr. Sharpies.]" People like the hon. Member for Swindon (Mr. David Stoddart) who have been greatly interested in these things did not adduce arguments on that occasion.

Mr. Arthur Lewis

On a point of order. Mr. Deputy Speaker ruled earlier, when I made a passing reference to what was happening in England, that I was out of order. The Minister has been talking about the English Order for some time now and I suggest that he should stick to the Scottish Order.

Mr. Buchanan-Smith

I will return to the Scottish Order because I know that I will have the support of the hon. Gentleman. Dealing with the matter of consultation, I said that we had had consultations with interested bodies. There was opposition to this from the Scottish Police Federation. It was particularly opposed—and the hon. Member for West Ham, North will gain no pleasure from this—to giving wardens power to enforce the vehicle excise law and to obtain information as to identity and address. We took the views of the federation seriously. I have close contact with it and respect its views. The Secretary of State and I took the view that the extension of these powers would have no adverse effect on the police—on the contrary they would emphasise the importance of police duties, which only the police are able to carry out. We believe that the extension of these functions gives the police more time for their own duties, for the prevention and detection of crime. We believe that this Order helps them——

It being one and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Motion, Mr. SPEAKER put the Question, pursuant to Standing Order No. 2 (Exempted business):

The House divided: Ayes 168, Noes 30.

Division No. 123.] AYES [11.44 p.m.
Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash) Curran, Charles Havers, Michael
Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead) Dalkeith, Earl of Hawkins, Paul
Archer, Jeffrey (Louth) Davies, Rt. Hn. John (Knutsford) Heseltine, Michael
Atkins, Humphrey d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Maj.-Gen. Jack Hicks, Robert
Baker, Kenneth (St. Marylebone) Dean, Paul Holt, Miss Mary
Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torquay) Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. Hornby, Richard
Benyon, W. Douglas-Home, Rt. Hn. Sir Alec Hornsby-Smith,Rt.Hn.Dame Patricia
Blaker, Peter du Cann, Rt. Hn. Edward Howell, Ralph (Norfolk, N.)
Boardman, Tom (Leicester, S.W.) Eden, Sir John Hunt, John
Boscawen, Robert Elliott, R. W. (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne,N.) Hutchison, Michael Clark
Bowden, Andrew Eyre, Reginald Irvine, Bryant Godman (Rye)
Bray, Ronald Farr, John James, David
Brinton, Sir Tatton Fookes, Miss Janet Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford)
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) Fortescue, Tim Jessel, Toby
Bruce-Gardyne, J. Fowler, Norman Kellett, Mrs. Elaine
Bryan, Paul Fox, Marcus Kershaw, Anthony
Buchanan-Smith, Alick(Angus,N&M) Gibson-Watt, David Kilfedder, James
Burden, F. A. Gilmour, Sir John (Fife, E.) King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.)
Butler, Adam (Bosworth) Goodhart, Philip King, Tom (Bridgwater)
Campbell, Rt.Hn.G.(Moray&Nairn) Goodhew, Victor Kinsey, J. R.
Chapman, Sydney Gorst, John Kitson, Timothy
Chataway, Rt. Hn. Christopher Gower, Raymond Knight, Mrs. Jill
Churchill, W. S. Gray, Hamish Knox, David
Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Green, Alan Lane, David
Clegg, Walter Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds) Langford-Holt, Sir John
Cockeram, Eric Grylls, Michael Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry
Cooke, Robert Gummer, Selwyn Le Marchant, Spencer
Coombs, Derek Hall, Miss Joan (Keighley) Lewis, Arthur (W. Ham, N.)
Cooper, A. E. Hall, John (Wycombe) Lloyd, Ian (P'tsm'th, Langstone)
Cordle, John Hall-Davis, A. G. F. MacArthur, Ian
Cormack, Patrick Hannam, John (Exeter) McCrindle, R. A.
Costain, A. P. Harrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye) McLaren, Martin
Crouch, David Haselhurst, Alan Maclean, Sir Fitzroy
McNair-Wilson, Michael Raison, Timothy Stokes, John
McNair-Wilson, Patrick (NewForest) Redmond, Robert Stuttaford, Dr. Tom
Mather, Carol Reed, Laurance (Bolton, E.) Sutcliffe, John
Mawby, Ray Rees, Peter (Dover) Taylor, Frank (Moss Side)
Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J. Rees-Davies, W. R. Taylor, Robert (Croydon, N.W.)
Meyer, Sir Anthony Renton, Rt. Hn. Sir David Tebbit, Norman
Mills, Peter (Torrington) Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon Thomas, John Stradling (Monmouth)
Mitchell,Lt.-Col.C.(Aberd'nshire,W.) Ridley, Hn. Nicholas Thomas, Rt. Hn. Peter (Hendon, S.)
Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) Rippon, Rt. Hn. Geoffrey Thompson, Sir Richard (Croydon, S.)
Moate, Roger Roberts, Michael (Cardiff, N.) Tilney, John
Molyneaux, James Roberts, Wyn (Conway) Tugendhat, Christopher
Monks, Mrs. Connie Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) Vaughan, Dr. Gerard
Montgomery, Fergus Rost, Peter Waddington, David
More, Jasper Russell, Sir Ronald Walder, David (Clitheroe)
Morgan, Geraint (Denbigh) Scott-Hopkins, James Weatherill, Bernard
Morgan-Giles, Rear-Adm. Sharples, Richard White, Roger (Gravesend)
Mudd, David Shaw, Michael (Sc'b'gh & Whitby) Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick
Murton, Oscar Shelton, William (Clapham) Wood, Rt. Hn. Richard
Heave, Airey Smith, Dudley (W 'wick & L'mington) Worsley, Marcus
Normanton, Tom Soref, Harold Younger, Hn. George
Owen, Idris (Stockport, N.) Spence, John
Page, Graham (Crosby) Sproat, Iain TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Paisley, Mr. Ian Stanbrook, Ivor Mr. Hector Monro and
Parkinson, Cecil (Enfield, W.) Steel, David Mr. Keith Speed.
Pym, Rt. Hn. Francis
Clark, David (Colne Valley) Hannan, William (G'gow, Maryhill) Pentland, Norman
Cocks, Michael (Bristol, S.) Hardy, Peter Price, William (Rugby)
Cohen, Stanley Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen, N.) Sillars, James
Dalyell, Tam Jones, Gwynoro (Carmarthen) Stoddart, David (Swindon)
Doig, Peter Lambie, David Swain, Thomas
Douglas, Dick (Stirlingshire, E.) Lamond, James Torney, Tom
Eadie, Alex Latham, Arthur Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
English, Michael Lawson, George
Evans, Fred Mallalieu, J. P. W. (Huddersfield, E.) TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Fernyhough, E. Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire) Mr. James Wellbeloved and
Fletcher, Raymond (Ilkeston) Palmer, Arthur Mr. William Hamilton.
Ford, Ben

Resolved, That the Functions of Traffic Wardens (Scotland) Order 1971, a draft of which was laid before this House on 14th January, be approved.