§
Resolved,
That the functions of Traffic Wardens Order, 1970, a draft of which was laid before this House on 12th November, be approved.—[Mr. Sharpies.]"
People like the hon. Member for Swindon (Mr. David Stoddart) who have been greatly interested in these things did not adduce arguments on that occasion.
§ Mr. Arthur LewisOn a point of order. Mr. Deputy Speaker ruled earlier, when I made a passing reference to what was happening in England, that I was out of order. The Minister has been talking about the English Order for some time now and I suggest that he should stick to the Scottish Order.
§ Mr. Buchanan-SmithI will return to the Scottish Order because I know that I will have the support of the hon. Gentleman. Dealing with the matter of consultation, I said that we had had consultations with interested bodies. There was opposition to this from the Scottish Police Federation. It was particularly opposed—and the hon. Member for West Ham, North will gain no pleasure from this—to giving wardens power to enforce the vehicle excise law and to obtain information as to identity and address. We took the views of the federation seriously. I have close contact with it and respect its views. The Secretary of State and I took the view that the extension of these powers would have no adverse effect on the police—on the contrary they would emphasise the importance of police duties, which only the police are able to carry out. We believe that the extension of these functions gives the police more time for their own duties, for the prevention and detection of crime. We believe that this Order helps them——
§ It being one and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Motion, Mr. SPEAKER put the Question, pursuant to Standing Order No. 2 (Exempted business):—
§ The House divided: Ayes 168, Noes 30.
1839| Division No. 123.] | AYES | [11.44 p.m. |
| Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash) | Curran, Charles | Havers, Michael |
| Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead) | Dalkeith, Earl of | Hawkins, Paul |
| Archer, Jeffrey (Louth) | Davies, Rt. Hn. John (Knutsford) | Heseltine, Michael |
| Atkins, Humphrey | d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Maj.-Gen. Jack | Hicks, Robert |
| Baker, Kenneth (St. Marylebone) | Dean, Paul | Holt, Miss Mary |
| Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torquay) | Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. | Hornby, Richard |
| Benyon, W. | Douglas-Home, Rt. Hn. Sir Alec | Hornsby-Smith,Rt.Hn.Dame Patricia |
| Blaker, Peter | du Cann, Rt. Hn. Edward | Howell, Ralph (Norfolk, N.) |
| Boardman, Tom (Leicester, S.W.) | Eden, Sir John | Hunt, John |
| Boscawen, Robert | Elliott, R. W. (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne,N.) | Hutchison, Michael Clark |
| Bowden, Andrew | Eyre, Reginald | Irvine, Bryant Godman (Rye) |
| Bray, Ronald | Farr, John | James, David |
| Brinton, Sir Tatton | Fookes, Miss Janet | Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford) |
| Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) | Fortescue, Tim | Jessel, Toby |
| Bruce-Gardyne, J. | Fowler, Norman | Kellett, Mrs. Elaine |
| Bryan, Paul | Fox, Marcus | Kershaw, Anthony |
| Buchanan-Smith, Alick(Angus,N&M) | Gibson-Watt, David | Kilfedder, James |
| Burden, F. A. | Gilmour, Sir John (Fife, E.) | King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.) |
| Butler, Adam (Bosworth) | Goodhart, Philip | King, Tom (Bridgwater) |
| Campbell, Rt.Hn.G.(Moray&Nairn) | Goodhew, Victor | Kinsey, J. R. |
| Chapman, Sydney | Gorst, John | Kitson, Timothy |
| Chataway, Rt. Hn. Christopher | Gower, Raymond | Knight, Mrs. Jill |
| Churchill, W. S. | Gray, Hamish | Knox, David |
| Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) | Green, Alan | Lane, David |
| Clegg, Walter | Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds) | Langford-Holt, Sir John |
| Cockeram, Eric | Grylls, Michael | Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry |
| Cooke, Robert | Gummer, Selwyn | Le Marchant, Spencer |
| Coombs, Derek | Hall, Miss Joan (Keighley) | Lewis, Arthur (W. Ham, N.) |
| Cooper, A. E. | Hall, John (Wycombe) | Lloyd, Ian (P'tsm'th, Langstone) |
| Cordle, John | Hall-Davis, A. G. F. | MacArthur, Ian |
| Cormack, Patrick | Hannam, John (Exeter) | McCrindle, R. A. |
| Costain, A. P. | Harrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye) | McLaren, Martin |
| Crouch, David | Haselhurst, Alan | Maclean, Sir Fitzroy |
| McNair-Wilson, Michael | Raison, Timothy | Stokes, John |
| McNair-Wilson, Patrick (NewForest) | Redmond, Robert | Stuttaford, Dr. Tom |
| Mather, Carol | Reed, Laurance (Bolton, E.) | Sutcliffe, John |
| Mawby, Ray | Rees, Peter (Dover) | Taylor, Frank (Moss Side) |
| Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J. | Rees-Davies, W. R. | Taylor, Robert (Croydon, N.W.) |
| Meyer, Sir Anthony | Renton, Rt. Hn. Sir David | Tebbit, Norman |
| Mills, Peter (Torrington) | Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon | Thomas, John Stradling (Monmouth) |
| Mitchell,Lt.-Col.C.(Aberd'nshire,W.) | Ridley, Hn. Nicholas | Thomas, Rt. Hn. Peter (Hendon, S.) |
| Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) | Rippon, Rt. Hn. Geoffrey | Thompson, Sir Richard (Croydon, S.) |
| Moate, Roger | Roberts, Michael (Cardiff, N.) | Tilney, John |
| Molyneaux, James | Roberts, Wyn (Conway) | Tugendhat, Christopher |
| Monks, Mrs. Connie | Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) | Vaughan, Dr. Gerard |
| Montgomery, Fergus | Rost, Peter | Waddington, David |
| More, Jasper | Russell, Sir Ronald | Walder, David (Clitheroe) |
| Morgan, Geraint (Denbigh) | Scott-Hopkins, James | Weatherill, Bernard |
| Morgan-Giles, Rear-Adm. | Sharples, Richard | White, Roger (Gravesend) |
| Mudd, David | Shaw, Michael (Sc'b'gh & Whitby) | Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick |
| Murton, Oscar | Shelton, William (Clapham) | Wood, Rt. Hn. Richard |
| Heave, Airey | Smith, Dudley (W 'wick & L'mington) | Worsley, Marcus |
| Normanton, Tom | Soref, Harold | Younger, Hn. George |
| Owen, Idris (Stockport, N.) | Spence, John | |
| Page, Graham (Crosby) | Sproat, Iain | TELLERS FOR THE AYES: |
| Paisley, Mr. Ian | Stanbrook, Ivor | Mr. Hector Monro and |
| Parkinson, Cecil (Enfield, W.) | Steel, David | Mr. Keith Speed. |
| Pym, Rt. Hn. Francis | ||
| NOES | ||
| Clark, David (Colne Valley) | Hannan, William (G'gow, Maryhill) | Pentland, Norman |
| Cocks, Michael (Bristol, S.) | Hardy, Peter | Price, William (Rugby) |
| Cohen, Stanley | Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen, N.) | Sillars, James |
| Dalyell, Tam | Jones, Gwynoro (Carmarthen) | Stoddart, David (Swindon) |
| Doig, Peter | Lambie, David | Swain, Thomas |
| Douglas, Dick (Stirlingshire, E.) | Lamond, James | Torney, Tom |
| Eadie, Alex | Latham, Arthur | Walker, Harold (Doncaster) |
| English, Michael | Lawson, George | |
| Evans, Fred | Mallalieu, J. P. W. (Huddersfield, E.) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Fernyhough, E. | Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire) | Mr. James Wellbeloved and |
| Fletcher, Raymond (Ilkeston) | Palmer, Arthur | Mr. William Hamilton. |
| Ford, Ben |
§
Resolved,
That the Functions of Traffic Wardens (Scotland) Order 1971, a draft of which was laid before this House on 14th January, be approved.