§ Question again proposed, That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said Amendment.
§ Mrs. CastleI repeat, if these are not technical difficulties of the kind to which the right hon. Gentleman referred in
§ his Committee stage speech, words on the Bill have lost all meaning.
§ Therefore, we on this side say that the Government have once again demonstrated that when it comes to a question of trade union rights, they do not give a damn. They will hide behind facile arguments and then, whatever difficulties we explain to the Secretary of State, simply brush them aside. For these reasons, I call upon my hon. Friends to divide the House.
§ Question put, That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said Amendment:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 256, Noes 223.
1723| Division No. 465.] | AYES | [10.1 p.m. |
| Adley, Robert | d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Maj.-Gen.James | Hayhoe, Barney |
| Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash) | Dean, Paul | Hicks, Robert |
| Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead) | Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. | Higgins, Terence, L. |
| Archer, Jeffrey (Louth) | Dixon, Piers | Hiley, Joseph |
| Atkins, Humphrey | Dodds-Parker, Douglas | Hill, John E. B. (Norfolk, S.) |
| Awdry, Daniel | Douglas-Home, Rt. Hn. Sir Alec | Hill, James (Southampton, Test) |
| Baker, Kenneth (St. Marylebone) | Drayson, G. B. | Holt, Miss Mary |
| Baker, W. H. K. (Banff) | du Cann, Rt. Hn. Edward | Hordern, Peter |
| Balniel, Lord | Dykes, Hugh | Hornby, Richard |
| Barber, Rt. Hn. Anthony | Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) | Hornsby-Smith, Rt. Hn. Dame Patricia |
| Batsford, Brian | Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton) | Howe, Hn. Sir Geoffrey (Reigate) |
| Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton | Eyre, Reginald | Howell, David (Guildford) |
| Bell, Ronald | Farr, John | Howell, Ralph (Norfolk, N.) |
| Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torquay) | Fell, Anthony | Hunt, John |
| Benyon, W. | Fenner, Mr. Peggy | Hutchison, Michael Clark |
| Berry, Hn. Anthony | Fidler, Michael | Iremonger, T. L. |
| Biffen, John | Finsberg, Geoffrey (Hampstead) | James, David |
| Biggs-Davison, John | Fisher, Nigel (Surbiton) | Jessel, Toby |
| Blaker, Peter | Fookes, Miss Janet | Jopling, Michael |
| Boardman, Tom (Leicester, S. W.) | Fortescue, Tim | Kaberry, Sir Donald |
| Body, Richard | Foster, Sir John | Kellett-Bowman, Mrs. Elaine |
| Boscawen, Robert | Fowler, Norman | Kilfedder, James |
| Bossom, Sir Clive | Fox, Marcus | King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.) |
| Bowden, Andrew | Fraser, Rt. Hn. Hugh (St'fford & Stone) | Kinsey, J. R. |
| Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. John | Fry, Peter | Kirk, Peter |
| Braine, Bernard | Gardner, Edward | Knox, David |
| Bray, Ronald | Gibson-Watt, David | Lambton, Antony |
| Brewis, John | Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.) | Lane, David |
| Brinton, Sir Tatton | Gilmour, Sir John (Fife, E.) | Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry |
| Brocklebank-Fowler, Christopher | Glyn, Dr. Alan | Le Marchant, Spencer |
| Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) | Godber, Rt. Hn. J. B. | Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) |
| Bruce-Gardyne, J. | Goodhart, Philip | Longden, Gilbert |
| Bryan, Paul | Gorst, John | Loveridge, John |
| Buchanan-Smith, Alick (Angus, N&M) | Gower, Raymond | McAdden, Sir Stephen |
| Buck, Antony | Grant, Anthony (Harrow, C.) | MacArthur, Ian |
| Bullus, Sir Eric | Gray, Hamish | McCrindle, R. A. |
| Burden, F. A. | Green, Alan | McLaren, Martin |
| Butler, Adam (Bosworth) | Grieve, Percy | Maclean, Sir Fitzroy |
| Carlisle, Mark | Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds) | McMaster, Stanley |
| Carr, Rt. Hn. Robert | Grylls, Michael | Macmillan, Maurice (Farnham) |
| Channon, Paul | Glimmer, Selwyn | McNair-Wilson, Michael |
| Chapman, Sydney | Gurden, Harold | McNair-Wilson, Patrick (NewForest) |
| Chichester-Clark, R. | Hall, Miss Joan (Keighley) | Maddan, Martin |
| Churchill, W. S. | Hall, John (Wycombe) | Marten, Neil |
| Clark, William (Surrey, E.) | Hall-Davis, A. G. F. | Mather, Carol |
| Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) | Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) | Maude, Angus |
| Clegg, Walter | Hannam, John (Exeter) | Mawby, Ray |
| Cockeram, Eric | Harrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye) | Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J. |
| Coombs, Derek | Haselhurst, Alan | Meyer, Sir Anthony |
| Cormack, Patrick | Hastings, Stephen | Mills, Peter (Torrington) |
| Costain, A. P. | Havers, Michael | Mitchell, Lt.-Col. C. (Aberdeenshire, W) |
| Critchley, Julian | Hawkins, Paul | Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) |
| Crouch, David | Hay, John | Moate, Roger |
| Curran, Charles | Money, Ernle | |
| d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir Henry | Monks, Mrs. Connie | |
| Monro, Hector | Roberts, Wyn (Conway) | Thompson, Sir Richard (Croydon, S.) |
| Montgomery, Fergus | Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks) | Thorpe, Rt. Hn. Jeremy |
| More, Jasper | Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) | Tilney, John |
| Morgan-Giles, Rear-Adm. | Rost, Peter | Trafford, Dr. Anthony |
| Morrison, Charles (Devizes) | Russell, Sir Ronald | Trew, Peter |
| Mudd, David | Scott, Nicholas | Tugendhat, Christopher |
| Murton, Oscar | Scott-Hopkins, James | Turton, Rt. Hn. Sir Robin |
| Neave, Airey | Sharples, Richard | van Straubenzee, W. R. |
| Normanton, Tom | Shaw, Michael (Sc'b'gh & Whitby) | Vaughan, Dr. Gerard |
| Nott, John | Shelton, William (Clapham) | Vickers, Dame Joan |
| Onslow, Cranley | Simeons, Charles | Waddington, David |
| Oppenheim, Mrs. Sally | Sinclair, Sir George | Walder, David (Clitheroe) |
| Osborn, John | Skeet, T. H. H. | Walker, Rt. Hn. Peter (Worcester) |
| Owen, Idris (Stockport, N.) | Smith, Dudley (W'wick & L'mington) | Walker-Smith, Rt. Hn. Sir Derek |
| Page, Graham (Crosby) | Soref, Harold | Wall, Patrick |
| Page, John (Harrow, W.) | Speed, Keith | Walters, Dennis |
| Parkinson, Cecil (Enfield, W.) | Spence, John | Ward, Dame Irene |
| Peel, John | Sproat, Iain | Wells, John (Maidstone) |
| Percival, Ian | Stanbrook, Ivor | White, Roger (Gravesend) |
| Pink, R, Bonner | Stewart-Smith, Geoffrey (Belper) | Whitelaw, Rt. Hn. William |
| Pounder, Rafton | Stodart, Anthony (Edinburgh, W.) | Wiggin, Jerry |
| Powell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch | Stokes, John | Wilkinson, John |
| Prior, Rt. Hn. J. M, L. | Stuttaford, Dr. Tom | Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick |
| Pym, Rt. Hn. Francis | Sutcliffe, John | Wood, Rt. Hn. Richard |
| Rawlinson, Rt. Hn. Sir Peter | Tapsell, Peter | Woodhouse, Hn. Christopher |
| Redmond, Robert | Taylor, Edward M. (G'gow, Cathcart) | Woodnutt, Mark |
| Reed, Laurance (Bolton, E.) | Taylor, Frank (Moss Side) | Worsley, Marcus |
| Rees, Peter (Dover) | Taylor, Robert (Croydon, N. W.) | Wylie, Rt. Hn. N. R. |
| Rees-Davies, W. R. | Tebbit, Norman | |
| Ronton, Rt. Hn. Sir David | Temple, John M. | |
| Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon | Thatcher, Rt. Hn. Mrs. Margaret | TELLERS FOR THE AYES: |
| Ridley, Hn. Nicholas | Thomas, John Stradling (Monmouth) | Mr. Victor Goodhew and |
| Ridsdale, Julian | Mr. Bernard Weatherill. | |
| NOES | ||
| Albu, Austen | de Freitas, Rt. Hn. Sir Geoffrey | Houghton, Rt. Hn. Douglas |
| Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.) | Delargy, H. J. | Howell, Denis (Small Heath) |
| Allen, Scholefield | Dell, Rt. Hn. Edmund | Huckfield, Leslie |
| Archer, Peter (Rowley Regis) | Doig, Peter | Hughes, Mark (Durham) |
| Ashton, Joe | Douglas, Dick (Stirlingshire, E.) | Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen, N.) |
| Atkinson, Norman | Douglas-Mann, Bruce | Hughes, Roy (Newport) |
| Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) | Driberg, Tom | Hunter, Adam |
| Barnett, Joel | Duffy, A. E. P. | Janner, Greville |
| Beaney, Alan | Dunnett, Jack | Jay, Rt. Hn. Douglas |
| Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony Wedgwood | Eadie, Alex | Jeger, Mrs. Lena (H'b'n&St. P'cras, S.) |
| Bennett, James (Glasgow, Bridgeton) | Edelman, Maurice | Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) |
| Bidwell, Sydney | Edwards, Robert (Bilston) | Jenkins, Rt. Hn. Roy (Stechford) |
| Bishop, E. S. | Edwards, William (Merioneth) | John, Brynmor |
| Blenkinsop, Arthur | Ellis, Tom | Johnson, Carol (Lewisham, S.) |
| Boardman, H. (Leigh) | English, Michael | Johnson, James (K'ston-on-Hull, W.) |
| Booth, Albert | Evans, Fred | Johnson, Walter (Derby, S.) |
| Boyden, James (Bishop Auckland) | Faulds, Andrew | Jones, Barry (Flint, E.) |
| Bradley, Tom | Fernyhough, Rt. Hn. E. | Jones, Dan (Burnley) |
| Brown, Bob (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne, W.) | Fisher, Mrs. Doris (B'ham, Ladywood) | Jones, Rt. Hn. Sir Elwyn (W. Ham, S.) |
| Brown, Hugh D. (G'gow, Provan) | Fitch, Alan (Wigan) | Jones, Gwynoro (Carmarthen) |
| Brown, Ronald (Shoreditch & F'bury) | Fitt, Gerard (Belfast, W.) | Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, W.) |
| Buchan, Norman | Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) | Judd, Frank |
| Buchanan, Richard (G'gow, Sp'burn) | Foley, Maurice | Kaufman, Gerald |
| Callaghan, Rt. Hn. James | Foot, Michael | Kolley, Richard |
| Campbell, I. (Dunbartonshire, W.) | Ford, Ben | Kinnock, Neil |
| Cant, R. B. | Forrester, John | Lambie, David |
| Carmichael, Neil | Fraser, John (Norwood) | Latham, Arthur |
| Castle, Rt. Hn. Barbara | Freeson, Reginald | Lawson, George |
| Clark, David (Colne Valley) | Galpern, Sir Myer | Leadbitter, Ted |
| Cocks, Michael (Bristol, S.) | Garrett, W. E. | Lee, Rt. Hn. Frederick |
| Cohen, Stanley | Gilbert, Dr. John | Leonard, Dick |
| Coleman, Donald | Golding, John | Lewis, Arthur (W. Ham N.) |
| Conlan, Bernard | Gordon Walker, Rt. Hn. P. C. | Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) |
| Corbet, Mrs. Freda | Gourlay, Harry | Lipton, Marcus |
| Cox, Thomas (Wandsworth, C.) | Grant, George (Morpeth) | Loughlin, Charles |
| Crawshaw, Richard | Grant, John D. (Islington, E.) | Lyon, Alexander W. (York) |
| Cronin, John | Griffiths, Eddie (Brightside) | Lyons, Edward (Bradford, E.) |
| Crossman, Rt. Hn. Richard | Hamilton, Jams (Bothwell) | Mabon, Dr. J. Dickson |
| Cunningham, G. (Islington, S. W.) | Hamilton, William (Fife, W.) | McBride, Neil |
| Dalyell, Tam | Hardy, Peter | McCartney, Hugh |
| Darling, Rt. Hn. George | Harper, John | McGuire, Michael |
| Davidson, Arthur | Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) | Mackenzie, Gregor |
| Davies, Denzil (Llanelly) | Hart, Rt. Hn. Judith | Mackie, John |
| Davies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.) | Hattersley, Roy | Mackintosh, John P. |
| Davies, Ifor (Gower) | Healey, Rt. Hn. Denis | Maclennan, Robert |
| Davies, S. O. (Merthyr Tydfil) | Heffer, Eric S. | McMillan, Tom (Glasgow, C.) |
| Davis, Clinton (Hackney, C.) | Horam, John | McNamara, J. Kevin |
| Davis, Terry (Bromsgrove) | Mallalieu, J. P. W. (Huddersfield, E.) | |
| Marks, Kenneth |
| Marquand, David | Pentland, Norman | Strang, Gavin |
| Marsden, F. | Perry, Ernest G. | Summerskill, Hn. Dr. Shirley |
| Meacher, Michael | Prentice, Rt. Hn. Reg. | Thomas, Rt. Hn. George (Cardiff, W.) |
| Mellish, Rt. Hn. Robert | Prescott, John | Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery) |
| Mendelson, John | Price, J. T. (Westhoughton) | Thomson, Rt. Hn. G. (Dundee, E.) |
| Millan, Bruce | Probert, Arthur | Tinn, James |
| Miller, Dr. M. S. | Reed, D. (Sedgefield) | Tomney, Frank |
| Milne, Edward (Blyth) | Rees, Merlyn (Leeds, S.) | Torney, Tom |
| Mitchell, R. C. (S'hampton, Itchen) | Rhodes, Geoffrey | Tuck, Raphael |
| Molloy, William | Roberts, Rt. Hn. Goronwy (Caernarvon) | Urwin, T. D. |
| Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire) | Robertson, John (Paisley) | Varley, Eric G. |
| Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) | Roper, John | Wainwright, Edwin |
| Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) | Rose, Paul B. | Walker, Harold (Doncaster) |
| Morris, Rt. Hon. John (Aberavon) | Sandelson, Neville | Wallace, George |
| Moyle, Roland | Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-under-Lyne) | Watkins, David |
| Mulley, Rt. Hn. Frederick | Shore, Rt. Hn. Peter (Stepney) | Weitzman, David |
| Murray, Ronald King | Short, Mrs. Renée (W'hampton, N.E.) | Whitehead, Phillip |
| Ogden, Eric | Silkin, Hn. S. C. (Dulwich) | Willey, Rt. Hn. Frederick |
| O'Halloran, Michael | Silverman, Julius | Williams, Alan (Swansea, W.) |
| O'Malley, Brian | Skinner, Dennis | Williams, Mrs. Shirley (Hitchin) |
| Oram, Bert | Small, William | Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton) |
| Orme, Stanley | Smith, John (Lanarkshire, N.) | Wilson, William (Coventry, S.) |
| Oswald, Thomas | Spearing, Nigel | Woof, Robert |
| Paget, R. T. | Spriggs, Leslie | |
| Palmer, Arthur | Stallard, A. W. | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Pannell, Rt. Hn. Charles | Stewart, Rt. Hn. Michael (Fulham) | Mr. Ernest Armstrong and |
| Parry, Robert (Liverpool, Exchange) | Stoddart, David (Swindon) | Mr. William Hamling. |
| Peart, Rt. Hn. Fred | Stonehouse, Rt. Hn. John | |
| Pendry, Tom |
§ Subsequent Lords Amendment agreed to.
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Lords Amendment: No. 130, in page 50, line 14, leave out from "temporary" to "is" in line 22 and insert:
whose membership consists wholly or mainly—
and which (in either case)".
§ The Solicitor-GeneralI beg to move, That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said Amendment.
It may be for the convenience of the House if with this Amendment we take Lords Amendment No. 131, in Clause 60, page 51, line 3, leave out from beginning to "is" in line 11 and insert:
whose membership consists wholly or mainly—and which (in either case)".
- (a) of constituent or affiliated organisations each of which fulfils the conditions specified in subsection (1)(a) of this section or itself consists wholly or mainly of constituent or affiliated organisations which fulfil those conditions, or
- (b) of representatives of such constituent or affiliated organisations as are mentioned in the preceding paragraph,
§ These Amendments relate to the same point. Amendment No. 130 relates to a federation of workers' organisations and Amendment No. 131 to a federation of employers' organisations.
§ Amendment No. 130 makes one change relating to a federation of workers' organisations only. The effect of that change is to allow a federation of workers' organisations to include among its membership not only workers' organisations as such but organisations which are registered on the special register. In other words, a federation can include the two different kinds of workers' organisation, whether registered on the ordinary register or on the special register.
§
The other change which is made, in respect of both federations of workers'
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organisations and federations of employers' organisations, is of a slightly different kind, although technical. As Clause 59 stands, a federation of workers' organisations is something which consists wholly or mainly of organisations. Defined in that way it could include an amalgam or merger of organisations whose membership was made up of individual members. In other words, it would be not a true federation of organisations but an amalgam of organisations composed of individuals. The effect of the change, which is to substitute an organisation
' whose membership consists wholly or mainly—
is to make it plain that the federation has to be a true federation of organisations made up of organisations whose membership consists of organisations rather than one whose membership consists of ordinary members. Exactly the same change is made by Amendment No. 131 which refers to a federation of employers' organisations.
§ It is upon that basis that I commend the Amendments to the House.
§ Question put and agreed to.
§ Subsequent Lords Amendment agreed to.
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