HC Deb 26 June 1969 vol 785 cc1761-77
Mr. E. Rowlands (Cardiff, North)

I beg to move Amendment No. 44, in page 18, line 30, after 'and' insert: 'after a survey of the wishes and needs of residents in the area has been carried out'. I am glad to be back discussing the Bill having been pining away outside the Committee.

The Amendment may be described as a "let the people have a say first" proposal. Its aim is to bring the provisions and procedures of the Bill applying to general improvement areas into line with the spirit of the Town and Country Planning Act, 1968, which is to allow those affected by a general improvement area decision to have a say in the matter at the very earliest formative stages of the process.

At present the Clause and the relevant procedures under the Bill mean that local residents may not hear about a general improvement area decision until receiving formal notice of a council proposal or notification in the local newspaper. Too often major decisions affecting property and residents are first heard of either through the Press or after a decision has been taken. Too often local people find that decisions affecting their neighbourhood have been taken without adequate consultation and with little public involvement.

The Amendment would ensure that before an authority resolves to make a general improvement area decision, the people concerned would have an opportunity to express their wishes, feelings and opinions about the way in which their community should be improved. Some people have been sceptical about public participation in local planning matters. However, there is valuable evidence to show that local inhabitants can be of great assistance in the development of a plan. This could be particularly important in respect of improvement area schemes.

I have had experience of this as a result of conducting a survey with the Cardiff Housing Action Group at a residential area under a slum clearance order. In some instances we found that the unanimous views of the residents were in conflict with the local authority decision. People have varying attitudes towards their homes and environment. These views should be discovered before a local authority reaches a final decision to establish an improvement area scheme. It is sad to think that the valuable assistance which many inhabitants could give when plans of this kind are being made is not sought because there is a lack of public participation.

It is arrogant of planners, architects and local authorities to think that they know what the people want without consulting them. Even some imaginative schemes can turn out wrong because of architects making the mistake of thinking that everybody wants to live around a small Italian piazza. The Amendment would ensure public participation in the matters with which we are concerned at the earliest formative stages of the process of declaring improvement areas.

Mr. James Allason (Hemel Hempstead)

I support the Amendment. We should recognise that planning is done for people. There is a grave tendency these days for planners to design plans which please planners. We have had an example of this in the way in which tower blocks of flats have been scattered throughout the country simply because they accord with the aesthetic views of planners and architects, and not because they are wanted by the people. If there is to be an improvement area we must ensure that the people concerned, the local inhabitants, are consulted at the earliest possible stage.

While we talk a lot about public participation in planning, there is the danger of this participation occurring too late and too remotely. Many inhabitants do not want their premises and areas improved. For example, like the hon. Member for Salford, East (Mr. Frank Allaun), they prefer low rents. Regrettably, improvements cost money and invariably involve higher rents. Although public objections may be over-ruled for the greater good, there should be public participation at the earliest possible moment, and that is what the Amendment would achieve.

6.0 p.m.

Mr. Alec Jones (Rhondda, West)

I support this Amendment, particularly because I feel strongly that before any area is declared a general improvement area the wishes and needs of the people living there should be heard and taken into account. In subsection (2) instructions are given to local authorities to publish details of general improvement areas in two or more newspapers, and one of the newspapers should be a local paper. I cannot see that merely publishing details in a newspaper will ensure that all who will be affected will be aware of the plans and proposals which will affect them. Why should we believe that old people of necessity will read of these improvements when they are published in the newspapers?

The Minister—I suppose in Wales the Secretary of State—must be informed of the council's decision. These steps are of some value, but they will be taken after a local authority has made its decision. Possibly when he replies my hon. Friend will say that Clause 35 adequately satisfies the demands of this Amendment. That Clause says: it shall be their duty"— the local authority's duty— to bring to the attention of persons residing in the area or owning property therein the action they propose to take in the exercise of their powers under this Part of this Act and the assistance available for the improvement of the amenities of the area or of the dwellings therein …". That is important, but it is a provision which applies only after the local authority has made its decision. This is a case of putting the cart before the horse.

My hon. Friend the Member for Cardiff, North (Mr. E. Rowlands) and I do not speak against the idea of improvement areas nor against the right and duty of local authorities to make these decisions, but we think the people should be consulted before the decisions are finalised. We must have planners and plans, but the planners should realise that they are dealing with human beings, human lives, hopes, aspirations and needs. They must take into account the wishes and needs of residents of the area before they propose to replan it. Before any plan is drawn up the wishes and needs of those likely to be affected should be taken into account.

From past experience people in many parts of the country believe that once a plan is announced by a local authority everything is cut and dried and the views of those who will be affected count for naught. Certain difficulties arose in my area recently when doubts and fears turned out to be very much exaggerated but they were real doubts and fears expressed by the people affected. The White Paper, which is the basis of the Bill, says in paragraph 13: It is essential that the wishes and needs of people in the area should be fully considered. I am glad that is in the white Paper, but the best time to have the wishes and needs of those people taken into account is before a resolution is passed by a local authority making an area an improvement area.

The Under-Secretary of State for Wales (Mr. Ifor Davies)

I am very much attracted by the new slogan suggested by my hon. Friend the Member for Cardiff, North (Mr. E. Rowlands) "Let the people have a say first." We had a debate in Committee on the important issue of communication. It is important to realise what the Bill already provides. This Amendment will require the local authority to carry out a survey of the wishes and needs of residents within a potential general improvement area before deciding in the light of the survey and of the report required by Clause 32 whether it is fair to declare the area a general improvement area.

My. hon. Friend the Member for Rhondda, East (Mr. Alec Jones) referred to Clauses 32 and 35, but in Clause 71 there is a requirement for local authorities to inspect their districts from time to time to review housing conditions, which will include giving consideration to areas which may be suitable for improvement as a whole. It would seem unnecessary to go any further than this.

Mr. E. Rowlands

In Clause 71 there is no question of consulting people.

Mr. Davies

There is a clear understanding that the local authorities would inspect the districts and without a legal requirement there would be consultation. The report already required under Clause 32 will investigate ways in which the area needs to be improved both as regards houses and surrounding environment. It would also consider what new facilities need to be provided such as garages, parking spaces, play spaces, pedestrian routes, and so on.

As to residents' wishes, the only question which is relevant at this stage is whether they would in general wish to see their area improved or not. They will be given every opportunity to express their views as to the form which improvement work should take when the area has been declared. It is highly improbable that any local authority would propose to declare a general improvement area without first ensuring that the people in that area are generally in favour of the sort of improvement programme envisaged. The local authority will realise how much depends on it being able to enlist the co-operation of residents in the scheme.

By making this more detailed sort of survey a statutory requirement, an unnecessary element of rigidity would be introduced into the procedure for declaring a general improvement area. Local authorities will recognise that some sort of survey is often necessary and in any case advice on the point will be given in the manual of guidance to be published when the Bill becomes law. I say to my hon. Friends and to the hon. Member for Hemel Hempstead (Mr. Allason) that I fully appreciate the idea in promoting this Amendment, but it is felt by my right hon. Friend inadvisable to make this a legal requirement. Usually the local authority will need to take informal soundings about the needs and wishes of residents in several areas before deciding which to proceed with first because undoubtedly those needs and wishes and the willingness to co-operate are important considerations in choosing an area.

I readily give an assurance to my hon. Friends that the point will be brought home to local authorities when the circular is sent out under Part II of the Bill. I hope that this assurance will give my hon. Friends some satisfaction.

Amendment negatived.

Mr. Murton

I beg to move Amendment No. 45, in page 18, line 39, leave out 'declaring an area to be a general improvement area' and insert 'under subsection (1) of this section or under section 34 of this Act'.

Mr. Deputy Speaker

With this Amendment we can discuss Amendment No. 163, in Clause 34, page 20, line 1, leave out subsection (3).

Mr. Murton

There is a similarity between what the hon. Member for Cardiff, North (Mr. E. Rowlands) said and the purpose of this Amendment. This is tied up with the question of keeping the public informed. The object of the Amendment is to be sure that under Clause 34, which deals with changes in respect of a general improvement area, there should be no less opportunity for the public to be informed and able to represent their case, than when a general improvement area is declared.

Clause 34 refers to changes. There could be an extension of a general improvement area which could be a minor modification or could amount to a radical change. If it is right under subsection (1) that the general public should be in formed by means of a local authority using the Press to publish its intentions, it is also right under Clause 34 that any extension, modification or change in an improvement area should likewise be brought to the notice of the general public.

Mr. Ifor Davies

The Amendment seeks to achieve that the procedure to be followed by the local authority in declaring, rescinding, diminishing or increasing a general improvement area should be the same. To a large extent we agree with the principle which the hon. Gentleman has advocated. The question is whether it is necessary, or indeed desirable, to make this a statutory condition. In the case of an addition to a general improvement area, the authority will want, above all, to secure local co-operation. It can be relied upon to follow the precedent established by the declaration of the general improvement area.

Different considerations arise on the rescinding or diminishing of a general improvement area. These will be exceptional cases and are properly subject to the Minister's approval. There is no single set procedure which would be appropriate. For example, the Minister might wish to hold a public inquiry, or, on the other hand, written representation from residents affected might be sufficient. The right procedure will, therefore, flow from the character of the case. There is a distinct difference.

In view of this difference my right hon. Friend cannot accept the Amendment.

Mr. Graham Page

That is not a very satisfactory answer to the strong case made by my hon. Friend the Member for Poole (Mr. Murton). Under Clause 32(2), when a declaration is made that an area shall be a general improvement area certain information must be given to the public and certain steps can be taken by the public, as set out in paragraphs (a) and (b). If we may look forward without anticipating too much a future Amendment, there is to be a substantial addition to subsection (2) by way of informing the public of what is happening. What the local authority should do when it makes a declaration of a general improvement area is to be set out.

Clause 34 empowers a local authority to extend that area. It may be a very substantial extension; it may be a very substantial increase in the area. There is not limit to the extension that can be made. It is bound to be just as important to those who are then taken into the area as it was to those who were originally declared to be in that area. Yet the procedure thereafter will be quite different. The procedure after an extension of a general improvement area is set out in Clause 34(3).

The Amendment seeks to ensure that the procedure will be the same for an extension of a general improvement area as it will be for the declaration of a general improvement area at the outset. We require that, because there is no limitation. It may be just a fringe change in the area, just a little movement of a boundary here and there. On the other hand, it may be doubling or trebling the area, or even making it ten times greater and thereby affecting a very large population.

Amendment negatived.

6.15 p.m.

Mr. Greenwood

I beg to move Amendment No. 46, in page 19, line 5, leave out 'and' and insert: (b) take such further steps as may appear to them best designed to secure that the resolution is brought to the attention of persons residing in the area or owning property therein and that those persons are informed of the name and address of the person to whom any enquiries and representations concerning any action to be taken in the exercise of the local authority's powers under this Part of this Act should be addressed; and

Mr. Speaker

With this Amendment we can discuss, also, the following Amendments: No. 47, in line 5, leave out 'and' and insert: (b) take such steps as will in their opinion secure that persons who may be expected to desire an opportunity of making representations to the local authority with respect to the subject matter of the resolution are made aware that they are entitled to an opportunity of doing so; (c) provide for the persons mentioned in the preceding paragraph an opportunity of making such representations; (d) receive and consider such representations; and. No. 48, in line 8, at end insert: 'and keep the Minister informed from time to time of the nature of representations made by persons having an interest in the subject matter of the resolution'. I understand that the Opposition would like to have a Division on Amendment No. 47.

Mr. Graham Page

I am obliged Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Greenwood

I regret that the hon. Member for Crosby (Mr. Graham Page) should have prejudged the issue by saying that he intends to divide against us before he has heard my arguments.

Mr. Graham Page

The Minister knows the procedure of the House. We must claim that right at this stage. If he satisfies us by accepting our Amendment, we shall not need to divide.

Mr. Greenwood

After that typical exchange of courtesies, I want to thank the hon. Gentleman and also the hon. Member for Poole (Mr. Murton) for having directed our attention to this point in Committee, because our Amendment follows upon the discussions we had at that time. We are trying to ensure that a local authority, as soon as it declares an area to be a general improvement area, should, in addition to the newspaper publication which is at present provided for, take steps to ensure that residents and owners of property in the area concerned are aware of what has been done. The Amendment follows the general line of the Amendment moved in Committee by the hon. Member for Poole.

It is not necessary to insist that local authorities should consider any representations received or to prescribe a fixed period for the submission of representations. We formulated the Amendment in accordance with the concepts lying behind the general improvement area scheme. It can be assumed that the local authority will inevitably keep in close and constant touch with residents and owners of property within a general improvement area.

It is not necessary to prescribe that the local authority should do so. If the scheme is to be a success, it must keep in touch with those most closely concerned. It is also unnecessary to set any limit to the period during which representations can be made, because it must always be open to those in the area to give their views on what the council proposes to do.

The Amendment will, in effect, provide a complete link between the initial declaration of the general improvement area and the duty of the local authority under Clause 35 to make available to residents and owners of property information about the action it is proposing to take from time to time to improve the living conditions in the area.

Giving to owners and residents the name of someone to whom inquiry may be directed, which is one of the points in our Amendment, will introduce a personal touch from the start which will be very necessary if co-operation is to be secured. We have gone rather further that we were pressed to do in Committee. The nomination of such a person and the giving of information to those in the area is a valuable concession which I think the House will welcome. The opportunity to make representations and the duty to publish information will be continuous throughout the period that the authority takes action under Part II; and they will form the basis of the collaboration between the council and the residents, which will be the key to successful general improvement area action.

In view of what I have said, I hope that the Opposition will be able to welcome our Amendment and will not press their very helpful Amendments.

Mr. Speaker

Order. I am in some difficulty. I had said that we might have a Division only on Amendment No. 47. I do not, however, see at present—I am waiting for a little further advice—how we can divide on it if Amendment No. 46 is carried, so that if the Opposition want to register a vote they might have to vote on Amendment No. 46 itself.

Mr. Graham Page

Amendment No. 47 is additional to what is set out in Amendment No. 46, in that it lays down a procedure for receiving representations from the public which is not contained in Amendment No. 46, so that Amendment No. 47 could be supplementary to Amendment No. 46, although both contain a paragraph (b).

Mr. Speaker

Order. It would have to be in another form. The words: leave out 'and' and insert would have to be changed, because if we accept the first Amendment we have already left out "and". The difficulty probably arose because the two sides tabled two Amendments towards the same point. Perhaps the hon. Gentleman would leave it with me for the moment.

Mr. Murton

I am grateful to the Minister for the kind and pleasant things he said about the origin of the Government Amendment, and perhaps I may be rather mean if I quibble slightly over what he has said. It may well be that there is only a fine point of difference, but the general tenor of what the right hon. Gentleman said and the wording of Amendment No. 46 give the impression that a local authority would inform those persons who might be concerned about what was to be done, but would net necessarily invite those who might be affected to do much more than to make representations. Our Amendment, particularly paragraph (d) would make it incumbent on the local authority to receive and to consider such representations.

We must be careful. The whole object of the Bill and the Town and Country Planning Act is that there should be public participation and complete co-operation between the local authorities and the people who are concerned and will benefit by the provisions of the Bill.

If something could be done to the Government Amendment to make it clearer that, representations having been received, the local authority would have a duty to consider them, the point would be met, but at present I prefer our Amendment.

Mr. Graham Page

I would like to reinforce what my hon. Friend the Member for Poole (Mr. Murton) said about the three Amendments. They are in the same spirit as the Amendment moved by the hon. Member for Cardiff, North (Mr. E. Rowlands), which we recently discussed, namely, that we should obtain as much participation from the public in the declaration of general improvement areas as possible and that the public should be drawn into the matter, know exactly what is happening and be able to make representations for the protection of individual property rights or with respect to the objectives of the local authority.

The difference between the Amendments we are discussing and those we have already discussed is that here we are dealing with the position after the declaration of the general improvement area has been made. At that stage the public will be able to find out fairly well what the local authority's intentions are and will therefore be able to formulate their representations rather more specifically.

If they are to put forward representations, as one would hope they would, a procedure for this should be provided in the Bill. Government Amendment No. 46 seems to be framed with a take-it-or-leave-it attitude—"Here is where you can get the information. Come and get it, and then we leave you to do what you think about it".

Our Amendment No. 47 goes into the procedure more specifically. We have adopted the procedure in the Town and Country Planning Act of this year, which was discussed very thoroughly in the passage of that Act, in relation to the formation of structure plans and local plans. It must be a procedure particularly appropriate to the declaration of a general improvement area.

It might be said that one does not need all this procedure, and all that will happen is that the local authority will improve the area, and who will complain about that? But that is very naïve, because to carry out its duties under the general improvement area declaration the local authority is given compulsory purchase powers and fairly wide powers to control the area, to acquire property in it and carry out work within it. The declaration may seriously affect the owners and occupiers of property within it, and they may want to make representations. If they are merely told, "Here is the name and address of the person to whom you can make representations", that is not very helpful. If there is an obligation on the local authority such as we set out in Amendment No. 47, the objects of public participation in this procedure will be achieved.

It is obvious from what you have said, Mr. Speaker, that if Amendment No. 46 is carried our Amendment No. 47 will fall. Therefore, I hope that my right hon. and hon. Friends will divide against No. 46, not because we do not like what is in it but because we do not think that it goes far enough and had hoped that Amendment No. 47 would be added to the Bill. I hope that if we divide against No. 46 to record what we feel about the contents of our own Amendment it will not be taken too hard against No. 46. This is one of those occasions in our procedure when we must perhaps record our vote against something which appeals to us but does not go far enough.

Mr. Speaker

Order. I want to help the House if I can. It would be possible for me to accept a manuscript Amendment to Amendment No. 47 to leave out the words leave out 'and' and insert and substitute "after the words last inserted", in which case it would be possible for the Opposition to vote for Government Amendment No. 46 and for their own Amendment No. 47.

Mr. Graham Page

I am extremely grateful, Mr. Speaker.

Amendment agreed to.

Amendment proposed: In page 19, line 5, after the words last inserted insert: (b) take such steps as will in their opinion secure that persons who may be expected to desire an opportunity of making representations to the local authority with respect to the subject matter of the resolution are made aware that they are entitled to an opportunity of doing so; (c) provide for the persons mentioned in the preceding paragraph an opportunity of making such representations; (d) receive and consider such representations; and.—[Mr. Graham Page.]

Question put, That the Amendment be made.

The House divided: Ayes 118, Noes 156.

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Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash) Boyle, Rt. Hn. Sir Edward Cooper-Key, Sir Neill
Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead) Brinton, Sir Tatton Corfield, F. V.
Amery, Rt. Hn. Julian Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) Crouch, David
Astor, John Bryan, Paul Crowder, F. P.
Awdry, Daniel Bullus, Sir Eric Davidson, James (Aberdeenshire, W.)
Batsford, Brian Burden, F. A. Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. (Ashford)
Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton Campbell, B. (Oldham, W.) Doughty, Charles
Bell, Ronald Chataway, Christopher Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton)
Berry, Hn. Anthony Clark, Henry Elliott, R. W. (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne, N.)
Black, Sir Cyril Clegg, Walter Errington, Sir Eric
Body, Richard Cooke, Robert Eyre, Reginald
Fortescue, Tim Kitson, Timothy Russell, Sir Ronald
Foster, Sir John Knight, Mrs. Jill St. John-Stevas, Norman
Gibson-Watt, David Lancaster, Col. C. G. Scott, Nicholas
Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.) Lane, David Sharples, Richard
Goodhart, Philip Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry Shaw, Michael (Sc'b'gh & Whitby)
Goodhew, Victor Longden, Gilbert Silvester, Frederick
Grant, Anthony Lubbock, Eric Sinclair, Sir George
Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds) McAdden, Sir Stephen Smith, Dudley (W'wick & L'mington)
Gurden, Harold Maclean, Sir Fitzroy Smith, John (London & W'minster)
Hall-Davis, A. G. F. McNair-Wilson, Michael Speed, Keith
Harris, Frederic (Croydon, N. W.) McNair-Wilson, Patrick (New Forest) Stainton, Keith
Hawkins, Paul Monro, Hector Taylor, Frank (Moss Side)
Heald, Rt. Hn. Sir Lionel Montgomery, Fergus Thatcher, Mrs. Margaret
Heseltine, Michael Morrison, Charles (Devizes) van Straubenzee, W. R.
Higgins, Terence L. Murton, Oscar Vaughan-Morgan, Rt. Hn. Sir John
Hill, J. E. B. Nabarro, Sir Gerald Waddington, David
Hirst, Geoffrey Page, Graham (Crosby) Walker, Peter (Worcester)
Hogg, Rt. Hn. Quintin Page, John (Harrow, W.) Walker-Smith, Rt. Hn. Sir Derek
Holland, Philip Peel, John Walters, Dennis
Hunt, John Percival, Ian Weatherill, Bernard
Irvine, Bryant Godman (Rye) Pike, Miss Mervyn Whitelaw, Rt. Hn. William
Jennings, J. C. (Burton) Pounder, Rafton Wiggin, A. W.
Johnson Smith, G. (E. Grinstead) Prior, J. M. L. Williams, Donald (Dudley)
Jones, Arthur (Northants, S.) Pym, Francis Wilson, Geoffrey (Truro)
Jopling, Michael Quennall, Miss J. M. Worsley, Marcus
Joseph, Rt. Hn. Sir Keith Renton, Rt. Hn. Sir David
Kaberry, Sir Donald Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon TELLERS FOR THE AYES
Kershaw, Anthony Ridsdale, Julian Mr. Humphrey Atkins and
Kimball, Marcus Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) Mr. Jasper More.
King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.) Royle, Anthony
Abse, Leo Gregory, Arnold Moonman, Eric
Anderson, Donald Grey, Charles (Durham) Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire)
Archer, Peter Griffiths, David (Rother Valley) Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe)
Armstrong, Ernest Griffiths, Eddie (Brightside) Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw)
Atkins, Ronald (Preston, N.) Hamilton, William (Fife, W.) Morris, John (Aberavon)
Atkinson, Norman (Tottenham) Harper, Joseph Moyle, Roland
Bacon, Rt. Hn. Alice Hattersley, Roy Murray, Albert
Beaney, Alan Hazell, Bert Newens, Stan
Bidwell, Sydney Hilton, W. S. Noel-Baker, Rt. Hn. Philip
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Blenkinsop, Arthur Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.) Oram, Albert E.
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Boston, Terence Hynd, John Orme, Stanley
Bottomley, Rt. Hn. Arthur Irvine, Sir Arthur (Edge Hill) Oswald, Thomas
Brooks, Edwin Jackson, Peter M. (High Peak) Page, Derek (King's Lynn)
Brown, Bob (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne, W.) Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) Paget, R. T.
Brown, R. W. (Shoreditch & F'bury) Johnson, Carol (Lewisham, S.) Palmer, Arthur
Buchan, Norman Jones, Rt. Hn. Sir Elwyn (W. Ham, S.) Pannell, Rt. Hn. Charles
Cant, R. B. Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, West) Parker, John (Dagenham)
Carmichael, Neil Judd, Frank Parkyn, Brian (Bedford)
Castle, Rt. Hn. Barbara Kelley, Richard Pavitt, Laurence
Chapman, Donald Kenyon, Clifford Peart, Rt. Hn. Fred
Coleman, Donald Kerr, Mrs. Anne (R'ter & Chatham) Pentland, Norman
Corbet, Mrs. Freda Kerr, Russell (Feltham) Perry, Ernest G. (Battersea, S.)
Craddock, George (Bradford, S.) Lawson, George Perry, George H. (Nottingham, S.)
Crossman, Rt. Hn. Richard Leadbitter, Ted Price, William (Rugby)
Dalyell, Tam Lee, John (Reading) Rees, Merlyn
Davidson, Arthur (Accrington) Lestor, Miss Joan Richard, Ivor
Davies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.) Luard, Evan Rodgers, William (Stockton)
Davies, Dr. Ernest (Stretford) Mabon, Dr. J. Dickson Roebuck, Roy
Davies, Rt. Hn. Harold (Leek) McBride, Neil Rogers, George (Kensington, N.)
Davies, Ifor (Gower) McCann, John Shaw, Arnold (Ilford, S.)
Dobson, Ray MacColl, James Sheldon, Robert
Driberg, Tom MacDermot, Niall Shore, Rt. Hn. Peter (Stepney)
Dunn, James A. Macdonald, A. H. Skeffington, Arthur
Dunnett, Jack McGuire, Michael Slater, Joseph
Edelman, Maurice McKay, Mrs. Margaret Small, William
Edwards, William (Merioneth) Mackenzie, Gregor (Rutherglen) Snow, Julian
Ellis, John Mackintosh, John P. Symonds, J. B.
English, Michael Maclennan, Robert Taverne, Dick
Evans, Fred (Caerphilly) McMillan, Tom (Glasgow, C.) Tinn, James
Evans, Gwynfor (C'marthen) McNamara, J. Kevin Urwin, T. W.
Evans, Ioan L. (Birm'h'm, Yardley) MacPherson, Malcolm Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne Valley)
Fernyhough, E. Mahon, Peter (Preston, S.) Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) Mahon, Simon (Bootle) Wallace, George
Foot, Michael (Ebbw Vale) Mallalieu, J. P. W. (Huddersfield, E.) Watkins, David (Consett)
Forrester, John Marks, Kenneth Weitzman, David
Fraser, John (Norwood) Mellish, Rt. Hn. Robert Wellbeloved, James
Gardner, Tony Mendelson, John Wells, William (Walsall, N.)
Greenwood, Rt. Hn. Anthony Mitchell, R. C. (S'th'pton, Test) Whitlock, William
Wilkins, W. A. Williams, Alan Lee (Hornchurch) TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Willey, Rt. Hn. Frederick Williams, Clifford (Abertillery) Mr. Alan Fitch and
Williams, Alan (Swansea, W.) Williams, W. T. (Warrington) Mr. Walter Harrison.
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