HC Deb 03 February 1969 vol 777 cc16-7
48. Mr. Ronald Atkins

asked the Minister of Transport what were the percentage reductions of weekly-paid railwaymen and salaried railway staff, respectively, during the five-year period 1962 to 1967.

Mr. Carmichael

The reduction in railway staff from the end of 1962 to the end of 1967 was 36.7 per cent. for weekly-paid staff and 20.3 per cent. for salaried staff.

Mr. Atkins

Do not those figures give credence to the view commonly held by railwaymen that British Rail management is more anxious to reduce the number of the operating wage-earning staff than its administration?

Mr. Carmichael

This is a tendency in all industry because of the increased complexity of industry and the materials it deals with. I think that what British Rail is really after is a generally smaller but much better paid railway staff.

Mr. Spriggs

Is my hon. Friend aware that the railway administration has tended to become top-heavy? What does he intend to do about it?

Mr. Carmichael

I cannot agree that the railways are becoming top-heavy in management. The problems of the railways are now much greater than they used to be, particularly the technical and management problems. Therefore, a strengthened managerial and salaried staff is required to operate the railways in the mid-twentieth century.