§ Mr. PeytonI beg to move Amendment No. 61, in page 12, line 6, leave out from 'service' to 'to' in line 7.
The Amendment would remove the words
…or articles to he exchanged for such articles…I thought that I heard a gasp of astonishment from hon. Members opposite. I can well understand that, because if they have not read the Schedule before they might well find the presence of such words astonishing and amazing. It is a question on which the right hon. Member for Edinburgh, East (Mr. Willis) should be able to beguile the House for a considerable period, and I am sorry th it we cannot tempt him.As I understand it, the presence of the words would enable the Minister to engage in barter. I cannot for the life of me see why he should want to do that in the context of the Bill. It has conferred many powers on the Minister of Technology in particular, and those other people who obviously relish the
§ euphemism of "competent authorities" under the Bill. Now, in addition, somebody has apparently been struck by the need for this quite unthought of one and decided that it had better be stuck in because it might be necessary. I hope that the Parliamentary Secretary can announce in flawless English that it is his intention that these ugly words should be withdrawn from the Bill, because that would greatly add to the harmony of our proceedings.
§ Dr. BrayI am always anxious to do anything that would add to harmony, but I regret that I shall have to disappoint the hon. Gentleman in this case. It is plainly advantageous to the country to have at least the possibility of barter deals. The hon. Member for Macclesfield (Sir A. V. Harvey) stressed the réle of the British readiness to take a number of Lockheed airbuses for sale elsewhere in the world, and it is at least possible that this kind of exchange arrangement will become a feature of certain fields of advanced technology in the future. If we were to be without this power for barter it would undoubtedly handicap a number of markets.
§ Mr. PeytonThe paragraph continues
…to sell, exchange or otherwise dispose of any such articles…Why have the word "exchange" there? It is already in the previous line, where there appear the offending words…or articles to be exchanged for such articles…That is what I do not understand. It seems to me to be quite unnecessary, and the Parliamentary Secretary has not satisfied me.
§ Dr. BrayIf the hon. Gentleman looks at the sentence again he will see that the first part covers the acquisition of the article and the second part the disposal of it. Both are necessary for a barter transaction.
§ Question put, That the Amendment be made:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 125; Noes 146.
563| Division No. 110.] | AYES | [1.10 a.m. |
| Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash) | Baker, W. H. K. (Banff) | Blaker, Peter |
| Astor, John | Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton | Boardman, Tom |
| Awdry, Daniel | Biggs-Davison, John | Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. John |
| Baker, K. W. (Acton) | Black, Sir Cyril | Brinton, Sir Tatton |
| Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) | Hiley, Joseph | Pink, R. Bonner |
| Bryan, Paul | Hill, J. E. B. | Price, David (Eastleigh) |
| Buchanan-Smith, Alick (Angus, N&M) | Holland, Philip | Pym, Francis |
| Buck, Antony (Colchester) | Horoern, Peter | Quennell, Miss J. M. |
| Carr, Rt. Hn, Robert | Hornby, Richard | Ramsden, Rt. Hn. James |
| Channon, H. P. G. | Howell, David (Guildford) | Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon |
| Chichester-Clark, R. | Hunt, John | Ridley, Hn. Nicholas |
| Corfield, F. V. | Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford) | Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) |
| Costain, A. P. | Johnston, Russell (Inverness) | Russell, Sir Ronald |
| Crouch, David | Jopling, Michael | Scott, Nicholas |
| Crowder, F.P | Kershaw, Anthony | Scott-Hopkins, James |
| Dalkeith, Earl of | King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.) | Sharpies, Richard |
| Dance, James | Kirk, Peter | Sinclair, Sir George |
| Davidson, James (Aberdeenstare, W.) | Kitson, Timothy | Stainton, Keith |
| Dean, Paul (Somerset, N.) | Knight, Mrs. Jill | Steel, David (Roxburgh) |
| Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. (Ashford) | Lane, David | Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M. (Ripon) |
| Digby, Simon Wingfield | Langford-Holt, Sir John | Taylor, Edward M.(G'gow, Cathcart) |
| Doughty, Charles | Lubbock, Eric | Taylor, Frank (Moss Side) |
| du Cann, Rt. Hn. Edward | MacArthur, Ian | Temple, John M. |
| Eden, Sir John | Maclean, Sir Fitzroy | Thatcher, Mrs. Margaret |
| Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton) | McMaster, Stanley | Turton, Rt. Hn. R. H. |
| Elliott, R. W. (N'Ctle-upon-Tyne, N.) | Maddan, Martin | van Straubenzee, W. R. |
| Emery, Peter | Maginnis, John E. | Wall, Patrick |
| Eyre, Reginald | Maydon, Lt.-Cmdr. S. L. C. | Ward, Dame Irene |
| Fair, John | Mills, Peter (Torrington) | Weatherill, Bernard |
| Fisher, Nigel | Mills, Stratton (Belfast, N.) | Webster, David |
| Fletcher-Cooke, Charles | Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) | Wells, John (Maidstone) |
| Fortescue, Tim | Monro, Hector | Whitelaw, Rt. Hn. William |
| Foster, Sir John | Montgomery, Fergus | Williams, W. D. (Dudley) |
| Gibson-Watt, David | More, Jasper | Wilson, Geoffrey (Truro) |
| Godber, Rt. Hn. J. B. | Murton, Oscar | Winstanley, Dr. M. P. |
| Goodhart, Philip | Neave, Airey | Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick |
| Goodhew, Victor | Noble, Rt. Hn. Michael | Worsley, Marcus |
| Gresham Cooke, R. | Nott, John | Wright, Esmond |
| Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds) | Onslow, Cranley | Wylie, N. R. |
| Hall-Davis, A. G. F. | Orr, Capt. L. P. S. | |
| Harrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye) | Osborn, John (Hallam) | TELLERS FOR THE AYES: |
| Hawkins, Paul | Percival, Ian | Mr. Anthony Grant and |
| Higgins, Terence L. | Peyton, John | Mr. Anthony Royle. |
| NOES | ||
| Allaun, Frank (Salford, E) | Fletcher, Raymond (Ilkeston) | McCann, John |
| Alldritt, Walter | Foot, Michael (Ebbw Vale) | MacColf, James |
| Alien, Scholefield | Ford, Ben | Macdonald, A. H. |
| Anderson, Donald | Fowler, Gerry | McGuire, Michael |
| Archer, Peter | Freeson, Reginald | Mackenzie, Gregor (Rutherglen) |
| Atkinson, Norman (Tottenham) | Garrett, W. E. | McMillan, Tom (Glasgow, C.) |
| Bagier, Gordon A. T. | Gregory, Arnold | MacPherson, Malcolm |
| Barnett, Joel | Grey, Charles (Durham) | Mahon, Simon (Bootle) |
| Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony Wedgwood | Griffiths, David (Rother Valley) | Mallalieu, E. L. (Brigg) |
| Binns, John | Griffiths, Will (Exchange) | Manuel, Archie |
| Bishop, E. S. | Hamilton, James (Bothwell) | Mapp, Charles |
| Btenkinsop, Arthur | Hamling, William | Marks, Kenneth |
| Booth, Albert | Harper, Joseph | Marquand, David |
| Boyden, James | Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) | Maxwell, Robert |
| Bray, Dr. Jeremy | Haseldine, Norman | Mayhew, Christopher |
| Brooks, Edwin | Hattersley, Roy | Mendelson, J. J. |
| Buchan, Norman | Hazell, Bert | Millan, Bruce |
| Buchanan, Richard (G'gow, Sp'burn) | Henig, Stanley | Miller, Dr. M. S. |
| Carmichael, Neil | Hooley, Frank | Mitchell, R. C. (S'th'pton, Test) |
| Carter-Jones, Lewis | Horner, John | Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire) |
| Coleman, Donald | Howarth, Robert (Bolton, E.) | Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) |
| Concannon, J. D. | Hoy, James | Newens, Stan |
| Crawshaw, Richard | Huckfield, Leslie | O'Malley, Brian |
| Crossman, Rt. Hn. Richard | Hughes, Roy (New[...]) | Orme, Stanley |
| Cutten, Mrs. Alice | Hunter, Adam | Oswald, Thomas |
| Davies, Dr. Ernest (Stretford) | Hynd, John | Owen, Will (Morpeth) |
| Davidson, Arthur (Accrington) | Jackson, Colin (B'h'se & Spenb'gh) | Page, Derek (King's Lynn) |
| Davies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.) | Jackson, Peter M. (High Peak) | Palmer, Arthur |
| Dell, Edmund | Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) | Parkyn, Brian (Bedford) |
| Dewar, Donald | Johnson, James (K'ston-on-Hull, W.) | Pavitt, Laurence |
| Dickens, James | Jones, J. Idwal (Wrexham) | Pentland, Norman |
| Dobson, Ray | Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, West) | Perry, Ernest G. (Battersea, S.) |
| Doig, Peter | Kerr, Dr. David (W'worth, Central) | Perry, George H. (Nottingham, S.) |
| Dunn, James A. | Lawson, George | Price, William (Rugby) |
| Dunwoody, Dr. John (F'th & C'b'e) | Leadbitter, Ted | Probert, Arthur |
| Eadie, Alex | Ledger, Ron | Rees, Merlyn |
| Edwards, William (Merioneth) | Lee, John (Reading) | Roberts, Albert (Normanton) |
| Ellis, John | Lestor, Miss Joan | Robertson, John (Paisley) |
| Ennals, David | Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) | Rose, Paul |
| Ensor, David | Loughlin, Charles | Ryan, John |
| Evans, Ioan L, (Birm'h'm, Vardley) | Lyon, Alexander W. (York) | Silkin, Rt. Hn. John (Deptford) |
| Faulds, Andrew | Lyons, Edward (Bradford, E.) | Silverman, Julius (Aston) |
| Slater, Joseph | Wallace, George | Willis, Rt. Hn. George |
| Spriggs, Leslie | Watkins, David (Consett) | Woodburn, Rt. Hn. A. |
| Swain, Thomas | Watkins, Tudor (Brecon & Radnor) | Woof, Robert |
| Tinn, James | Wellbeloved, James | Yates, Victor |
| Urwin, T. W. | Wells, William (Walsall, N.) | |
| Vartey, Eric G. | Whitaker, Ben | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne Valley) | Whitlock, William | Mr. Harry Gourlay and |
| Walker, Harold (Doncaster) | Williams, Clifford (Abertillery) | Mr. Neil McBride. |
§ Motion made, and Question put, That the Bill be now read the Third time:—
566§ The House dividend: Ayes 145, Noes 124.
567| Division No. 111.] | AYES | [1.20 p.m. |
| Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.) | Criffiths, David (Rother Valley) | Millan, Bruce |
| Alldritt, Walter | Griffiths, Will (Exchange) | Miller, Dr. M. S. |
| Allen, Scholefield | Hamilton, James (Bothwell) | Mitchell, R. C. (S'th'pton, Test) |
| Anderson, Donald | Hamling, William | Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire) |
| Archer, Peter | Harper, Joseph | Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) |
| Atkinson, Norman (Tottenham) | Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) | Newens, Stan |
| Bagier, Gordon A. T. | Haseldine, Norman | O'Malley, Brian |
| Barnett, Joel | Hattersley, Roy | Orme, Stanley |
| Jinn, Rt. Hn. Anthony Wedgwood | Hazell, Bert | Oswald, Thomas |
| Binns, John | Henig, Stanley | Owen, Will (Morpeth) |
| Bishop, E. S. | Hooley, Frank | Page, Derek (King's Lynn) |
| Blenkinsop, Arthur | Horner, John | Palmer, Arthur |
| Booth, Albert | Howarth, Robert (Bolton, E.) | Parkyn, Brian (Bedford) |
| Boyden, James | Hoy, James | Pavitt, Laurence |
| Braine, Bernard | Huckfield, Leslie | Pentland, Norman |
| Brooks, Edwin | Hughes, Roy (Newport) | Perry, Ernest G. (Battersea, S.) |
| Buchan, Norman | Hunter, Adam | Perry, George H. (Nottingham, S.) |
| Buchanan, Richard (G'gow, Sp'burn) | Hynd, John | Price, William (Rugby) |
| Carmichael, Neil | Jackson, Colin (B'h se & Spenb'gh) | Probert, Arthur |
| Carter-Jones, Lewis | Jackson, Peter M. (High Peak) | Rees, Merlyn |
| Coleman, Donald | Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) | Roberts, Albert (Normanton) |
| Concannon, J. D. | Johnson, James (K'ston-on-Hull, W.) | Rose, Paul |
| Crawshaw, Richard | Jones, J. Idwal (Wrexham) | Ryan, John |
| Crossman, Rt. Hn. Richard | Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, West) | Silkin, Rt. Hn. John (Deptford) |
| Cullen, Mrs. Alice | Kerr, Dr. David (W'worth, Central) | Silverman, Julius (Aston) |
| Davidson, Arthur (Accrington) | Lawson, George | Slater, Joseph |
| Davies, Dr. Ernest (Stretford) | Leadbitter, Ted | Spriggs, Leslie |
| Davies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.) | Ledger, Ron | Swain, Thomas |
| Dell, Edmund | Lee, John (Reading) | Tinn, James |
| Dewar, Donald | Lestor, Miss Joan | Urwin, T. W. |
| Dickens, James | Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) | Varley, Eric G. |
| Dobson, Ray | Louglin, Charles | Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne Valley) |
| Doig, Peter | Lyon, Alexander W. (York) | Walker, Harold (Doncaster) |
| Dunn, James A. | Lyons, Edward (Bradford, E.) | Wallace, George |
| Dunwoody, Dr. John (F'th & C'b'e) | McCann, John | Watkins, David (consett) |
| Eadie, Alex | MacColl, James | Watkins, Tudor (Brecon & Radnor) |
| Edwards, William (Merioneth) | Macdonald, A. H. | Wellbeloved, James |
| Ellis, John | McGuire, Michael | Welts, William (Walsall, N.) |
| Ennals, David | Mackenzie, Gregor (Rutherglen) | Whitaker, Ben |
| Ensor, David | McMillan, Tom (Glasgow, C.) | Whitlock, William |
| Evans, Ioan L. (Birm'h'm, Vardley) | Macpherson, Malcolm | Williams, Clifford (Abertillery) |
| Faulds, Andrew | Mahon, Simon (Bootle) | Willis, Rt. Hn. George |
| Fletcher, Raymond (Ilkeston) | Mallalieu, E. L. (Brigg) | Woodburn, Rt. Hn. A. |
| Foot, Michael (Ebbw Vale) | Manuel, Archie | Woof, Robert |
| Ford, Ben | Mapp, Charles | Yates, Victor |
| Fowler, Gerry | Marks, Kenneth | |
| Freeson, Reginald | Macquand, David | TELLERS FOR THE AYES: |
| Garrett, W. E. | Maxwell, Robert | Mr. Harry Gourlay and |
| Gregory, Arnold | Mayhew, Christopher | Mr. Neil McBride. |
| Crey, Charles (Durham) | Mendelson, J. J. | |
| NOES | ||
| Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash) | Buck, Antony (Colchester) | du Cann, Rt. Hn. Edward |
| Astor, John | Carr, Rt. Hn. Robert | Eden, Sir John |
| Awdry, Daniel | Channon, H. P. G. | Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton) |
| Baker, K. W. (Acton) | Chichester-Clark, R. | Elliott, R. W. (N'Ctle-upon-Tyne, N.) |
| Baker, W. H. K. (Banff) | Corfield, F. V. | Emery, Peter |
| Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton | Costain, A. P. | Eyre, Reginald |
| Biggs-Davison, John | Crouch, David | Farr, John |
| Black, Sir Cyril | Crowder, F. P. | Fisher, Nigel |
| Blaker, Peter | Dalkeith, Earl of | Fletcher-Cooke, Charles |
| Boardman, Tom | Dance, James | Fortescue, Tim |
| Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. John | Davidson, James (Aberdeenshire, W.) | Foster, Sir John |
| Brinton, Sir Tatton | Dean, Paul (Somerset, N.) | Gibson-Watt, David |
| Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) | Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. (Ashford) | Godber, Rt. Hn. J. B. |
| Bryan, Paul | Digby, Simon Wingfield | Goodhart, Philip |
| Buchanan-Smith, Alick (Angus, N & M) | Doughty, Charles | Goodhew, Victor |
| Gresham Cooke, R. | Maginnis, John E. | Scott-Hopkins, James |
| Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmund) | Maydon, Lt.-Cmdr. S. L. C. | Sharpies, Richard |
| Hall-Davis, A. G. F, | Mills, peter (Torrington) | Sinclair, sir George |
| Harrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye) | Mills, Stratton (Belfast, N.) | Stainton, Keith |
| Hawkins, Paul | Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) | Steel, David (Roxburgh) |
| Higgins, Terence L. | Monro, Hector | Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M. (Ripon) |
| Hiley, Joseph | Montgomery, Fergus | Taylor, Edward M.(G'gow, Cathcart) |
| Hill, J. E. B. | More, Jasper | Taylor, Frank (Mote Side) |
| Holland, Philip | Murton, Oscar | Temple, John M. |
| Hordern, Peter | Neave, Airey | Thatcher, Mrs. Margaret |
| Hornby, Richard | Noble, Rt. Hn. Michael | Turton, Rt. Hn. R. H. |
| Howell, David (Guildford) | Nott, John | van Straubenzee, W. R. |
| Hunt, John | Onslow, Cranley | Wall, Patrick |
| Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford) | Orr, Capt. L. P. S. | Ward, Dame Irene |
| Johnston, Russell (Inverness) | Osborn, John (Haltam) | Webster, David |
| Jopling, Michael | Percival, Ian | Wells, John (Maidstone) |
| Kershaw, Anthony | Peyton, John | Whitelaw, Rt. Hn. William |
| King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.) | Pink, R. Bonner | Williams, W. D. (Dudley) |
| Kirk, Peter | Price, David (Eastleigh) | Wilson, Geoffrey (Truro) |
| Kitson, Timothy | Pym, Francis | Winstanley, Dr. M. P. |
| Knight, Mrs. Jilt | Quennell, Miss J. M. | Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick |
| Lane, David | Ramsden, Rt. Hn. James | Worsley, Marcus |
| Langford-Holt, Sir John | Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon | Wright, Esmond |
| Lubbock, Eric | Ridley, Hn. Nicholas | |
| Mac Arthur, Ian | Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Maclean, Sir Fitzroy | Royle, Anthony | Mr. Anthony Grant and |
| McMaster, Stanley | Russell, Sir Ronald | Mr. Bernard Weatherill. |
| Maddan, Martin | Scott, Nicholas |
§ Bill accordingly read the Third time, and passed.