HC Deb 27 April 1965 vol 711 cc315-6
Mrs. Hart

I beg to move, in page 3, line 49, at the end to insert: (c) provide for the removal of a name from the register on a failure to pay a prescribed fee and for its restoration to the register on the making of the prescribed application in that behalf and on payment of that fee and any additional fee prescribed in respect of the restoration. Would it be convenient to take with this Amendment, Amendments Nos. 11 and 27, Mr. Deputy-Speaker?

Mr. Deputy-Speaker (Dr. Horace King)

I have no objection. It is a matter for the House. The House agrees. So be it.

8.0 p.m.

Mrs. Hart

These three Amendments are closely related. I think that the noble Lady, the hon. and learned Member for Edinburgh, Pentlands (Mr. Wylie), and, indeed, his hon. Friend the Member for Aberdeenshire, West (Mr. Hendry) will be pleased by the Amendments themselves and the improvement that they incorporate, because they meet a point which was made in Committee by incorporating the provisions of Schedule 2 into this Clause, thereby simplifying the Bill and making the whole thing into a homogeneous whole.

I do not need to argue the case. It was cogently argued by Members of the Opposition and by some of my hon. Friends in Committee, when I was happy to give an undertaking to consider the matter and try to find a way of simply incorporating the Schedule into the Bill.

Lady Tweedsmuir

Unlike the situation with regard to the last Amendment, in this case we are really indebted to the hon. Lady for having taken the trouble to consider the points made in Committee, to delete Schedule 2, and to insert its substance in this Clause. We thank her for the trouble which she has taken.

Amendment agreed to.

Mrs. Hart

I beg to move, in page 4, line 1, to leave out from "of" to the end of line 2 and to insert "certificates of registration".

Again, this meets some of the very understandable anxieties which were expressed at fair length in Committee. The fear that existed among Members on both sides concerned the risk of an improper disclosure by the Council of information obtained by it arising from its power to make rules governing the keeping of the register. There was particular concern about the nature of extracts from the register that were provided for in subsection (4,c), dealing with the issue of certified extracts from the register. We were asked what would be in the certified extracts, and whether there would be anything in them which would be likely to jeopardise a person's future.

In the debate on the Question, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill", my hon. Friend the Member for Glasgow, Shettleston (Sir M. Galpern) suggested that instead of using the words certified extracts from the register we might use the words "certificates of registration". This would imply simply the issue of a certificate to the effect that a certain individual had been registered. This is what the Amendment does. There will merely be a document attesting registration, and just enough in it to identify the person whose registration is therein attested. This should mean that any fears that existed on the score of an improper disclosure no longer need arise.

Lady Tweedsmuir

As the hon. Lady has said, this was a subject which raised considerable debate and very genuine concern in Committee. I feel that the Amendment which she has seen fit to move, inserting the words "certificate of registration" rather than the vague term certified extracts from the register will meet the point which was in everyone's mind and safeguard the private and personal position of a teacher. We thank the hon. Lady for the Amendment, and gladly accept it.

Amendment agreed to.

Further Amendment made: In line 11, leave out subsection (5) and insert:

(5) Rules made under the last foregoing subsection prescribing fees may provide for the charging of different fees in different classes of case.

(6) Rules made under subsection (4) of this section shall be published in such manner as the Council may determine and shall be so made as not to come into force before the expiration of one month from the date on which they are so published.—[Mrs. Hart.]