HC Deb 28 March 1961 vol 637 cc1206-12

Motion made, and Question put, That the Report [22nd March] of the Business Committee be now considered.—[Mr. Powell.]

The House divided: Ayes 217, Noes 140.

Division No. 123.] AYES [7.2 p.m.
Agnew, Sir Peter Chataway, Christopher Fletcher-Cooke, Charles
Aitken, W. T. Chichester-Clark, R. Fraser, Ian (Plymouth, Sutton)
Allan, Robert (Paddington, S.) Clark, Henry (Antrim, N.) Freeth, Denzil
Atkins, Humphrey Clark, William (Nottingham, S.) Galbraith, Hon. T. G. D.
Barlow, Sir John Cole, Norman Gammans, Lady
Barter, John Cooper, A. E. Gibson-Watt, David
Batsford, Brian Cordeaux, Lt.-Col. J. K. Godber, J. B.
Baxter, Sir Beverley (Southgate) Corfield, F. V. Goodhew, Victor
Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton Coulson, J. M. Gower, Raymond
Bell, Ronald Craddock, Sir Beresford Grant, Rt. Hon. William
Berkeley, Humphry Critchley, John Green, Alan
Bevins, Rt. Hon. Reginald (Toxteth) Crosthwaite-Eyre, Col. O. E. Gresham Cooke, R.
Biggs-Davison, John Cunningham, Knox Grimston, Sir Robert
Bingham, R. M. Curran, Charles Gurden, Harold
Birch, Rt. Hon. Nigel Currie, G. B. H. Hall, John (Wycombe)
Bishop, F. P. Dalkeith, Earl of Hamilton, Michael (Wellingborough)
Box, Donald d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir Henry Harris, Reader (Heston)
Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hon. John Deedes, W.F. Harrison, Col. J. H. (Eye)
Boyle, Sir Edward de Ferranti, Basil Harvey, Sir Arthur Vere (Macclesf'd)
Braine, Bernard Doughty, Charles Harvey, John (Walthamstow, E.)
Brewis, John Drayson, G. B. Harvie Anderson, Miss
Brooke, Rt. Hon. Henry du Cann, Edward Hay, John
Brooman-White, R. Duncan, Sir James Heald, Rt. Hon. Sir Lionel
Bryan, Paul Duthie, Sir William Henderson, John (Cathcart)
Buck, Antony Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton) Henderson-Stewart, Sir James
Bullard, Denys Elliott, R. W. (Nwcstle-upon-Tyne, N.) Hendry, Forbes
Bullus, Wing Commander Eric Emmet, Hon. Mrs. Evelyn Hill, J. E. B. (S. Norfolk)
Burden, F. A. Farey-Jones, F. W. Hirst, Geoffrey
Campbell, Gordon (Moray & Nairn) Farr, John Hobson, John
Carr, Robert (Mitcham) Finlay, Graeme Hocking, Philip N.
Channon, H. P. G. Fisher, Nigel Holland, Philip
Hollingworth, John More, Jasper (Ludlow) Smith, Dudley (Br'ntf'rd & Chiswick)
Hopkins, Alan Morgan, William Soames, Rt. Hon. Christopher
Hornsby-Smith, Rt. Hon. Patricia Mott-Radclyffe, Sir Charles Speir, Rupert
Hughes Hallett, Vice-Admiral John Nabarro, Gerald Stanley, Hon. Richard
Hughes-Young, Michael Nicholson, Sir Godfrey Steward, Harold (Stockport, S.)
Hulbert, Sir Norman Nugent, Sir Richard Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir Malcolm
Hutchison, Michael Clark Oakshott, Sir Hendrie Talbot, John E.
Iremonger, T. L. Osborne, Cyril (Louth) Taylor, Edwin (Bolton, E.)
Jackson, John Page, John (Harrow, West) Teeling, William
James, David Page, Graham (Crosby) Temple, John M.
Jenkins, Robert (Dulwich) Pannell, Norman (Kirkdale) Thatcher, Mrs. Margaret
Jennings, J. C. Partridge, E. Thomas, Leslie (Canterbury)
Johnson, Dr. Donald (Carlisle) Pearson, Frank (Clitheroe) Thompson, Kenneth (Walton)
Johnson, Eric (Blackley) Percival, Ian Thompson, Richard (Croydon, S.)
Johnson Smith, Geoffrey Pickthorn, Sir Kenneth Thornton-Kemsley, Sir Colin
Kerans, Cdr. J. S. Pike, Miss Mervyn Tiley, Arthur (Bradford, W.)
Kerby, Capt. Henry Pitt, Miss Edith Tilney, John (Wavertree)
Kerr, Sir Hamilton Pott, Percivall Turner, Colin
Kershaw, Anthony Powell, Rt. Hon. J. Enoch Turton, Rt. Hon. R. H.
Kimball, Marcus Price, David (Eastleigh) Vane, W. M. F.
Kitson, Timothy Prior, J. M. L. Vaughan-Morgan, Sir John
Lambton, Viscount Prior-Palmer, Brig. Sir Otho Wakefield, Edward (Derbyshire, W.)
Leavey, J. A. Proudfoot, Wilfred Walder, David
Leburn, Gilmour Pym, Francis Walker, Peter
Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) Quennell, Miss J. M. Ward, Dame Irene
Lilley, F. J. P. Ramsden, James Watts, James
Litchfield, Capt. John Rawlinson, Peter Webster, David
Loveys, Walter H. Redmayne, Rt. Hon. Martin Wells, John (Maidstone)
Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Rees, Hugh Whitelaw, William
MacArthur, Ian Rees-Davies, W. R. Williams, Paul (Sunderland, S.)
Maclay, Rt. Hon. John Renton, David Wills, Sir Gerald (Bridgwater)
McLean, Neil (Inverness) Roberts, Sir Peter (Heeley) Wilson, Geoffrey (Truro)
Macpherson, Niall (Dumfries) Robinson, Sir Roland (Blackpool, S.) Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick
Maddan, Martin Roots, William Woodhouse, C. M.
Maitland, Sir John Ropner, Col. Sir Leonard Woodnutt, Mark
Markham, Major Sir Frank Scott-Hopkins, James Woollam, John
Marten, Neil Seymour, Leslie Worsley, Marcus
Mawby, Ray Sharples, Richard Yates, William (The Wrekin)
Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J. Shaw, M.
Maydon, Lt.-Cmdr. S. L. C. Shepherd, William TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Mills, Stratton Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir Jocelyn Mr. Noble and Mr. Peel.
Montgomery, Fergus Skeet, T. H. H.
NOES
Awbery, Stan Grimond, J. Marsh, Richard
Bacon, Miss Alice Hale, Leslie (Oldham, W.) Mendelson, J. J.
Blyton, William Hannan, William Milne, Edward J.
Boardman, H. Hart, Mrs. Judith Mitchison, G. R.
Bowden, Herbert W. (Leics, S. W.) Hayman, F. H. Monslow, Walter
Braddock, Mrs. E. M. Healey, Denis Moody, A. S.
Brown, Rt. Hon. George (Belper) Hill, J. (Midlothian) Morris, John
Chetwynd, George Hilton, A. V. Moyle, Arthur
Collick, Percy Holman, Percy Oliver, G. H.
Craddock, George (Bradford, S.) Houghton, Douglas Oswald, Thomas
Cronin, John Howell, Charles A. Pannell, Charles (Leeds, W.)
Crosland, Anthony Howell, Denis Pargiter, G. A.
Cullen, Mrs. Alice Hoy, James H. Parkin, B. T. (Paddington, N.)
Davies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.) Hughes, Emrys (S. Ayrshire) Pearson, Arthur (Pontypridd)
Davies, Harold (Leek) Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.) Peart, Frederick
Davies, Ifor (Gower) Hunter, A. E. Pentland, Norman
Davies, S. 0. (Merthyr) Jay, Rt. Hon. Douglas Plummer, Sir Leslie
Deer, George Jeger, George Prentice, R. E.
Delargy, Hugh Jones, Rt. Hn. A. Creech (Wakefield) Price, J. T. (Westhoughton)
Dempsey, James Jones, Jack (Rotherham) Probert, Arthur
Diamond, John Jones, J. Idwal (Wrexham) Proctor, W. T.
Dodds, Norman Jones, T. W. (Merioneth) Randall, Harry
Dugdale, Rt. Hon. John Kelley, Richard Rankin, John
Ede, Rt. Hon. C. Kenyon, Clifford Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Edwards, Rt. Hon. Ness (Caerphilly) Key, Rt. Hon. C. W. Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvon)
Edwards, Robert (Bilston) King, Dr. Horace Robinson, Kenneth (St. Pancras, N.)
Fernyhough, E. Lawson, George Ross, William
Finch, Harold Lee, Miss Jennie (Cannock) Shinwell, Rt. Hon. E.
Fitch, Alan Lewis, Arthur (West Ham, N.) Short, Edward
Fletcher, Eric Lipton, Marcus Silverman, Jullus (Aston)
Foot, Michael (Ebbw Vale) Logan, David Slater, Mrs. Harriet (Stoke, N.)
Forman, J. C. Loughlin, Charles Slater, Joseph (Sedgefield)
Fraser, Thomas (Hamilton) Mabon, Dr. J. Dickson Small, William
Galpern, Sir Myer McCann, John Smith, Ellis (Stoke, S.)
George, Lady Megan Lloyd(Crmrthn) McInnes, James Snow, Julian
Ginsburg, David McKay, John (Wallsend) Soskice, Rt. Hon. Sir Frank
Gordon Walker, Rt. Hon. P. C. McLeavy, Frank Spriggs, Leslie
Gourley, Harry MacMillan, Malcolm (Western Isles) Steele, Thomas
Grey, Charles Manuel, A. C. Stewart, Michael (Fulham)
Griffiths, Rt. Hon. James (Llanelly) Mapp, Charles Swingler, Stephen
Sylvester, George Wainwright, Edwin Williams, W. R. (Openshaw)
Taylor, Bernard (Mansfield) Warbey, William Willis, E. G. (Edinburgh, E.)
Taylor, John (West Lothian) Weitzman, David Wilson, Rt. Hon. Harold (Huyton)
Thomas, George (Cardiff, W.) Wells, Percy (Faversham) Woodburn, Rt. Hon. A.
Thomas, Iorwerth (Rhondda, W.) Whitlock, William
Thornton, Ernest Wilkins, W. A. TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Ungoed-Thomas, Sir Lynn Willey, Frederick Mr. Redhead and Dr. Broughton
Wade, Donald Williams, Ll. (Abertillery)

Report considered accordingly.

Question, That this House doth agree with the Committee in the said Report, put

forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 41 (Business Committee).

The House divided: Ayes 214, Noes 143.

Division No. 124.] AYES [7.11 p.m.
Agnew, Sir Peter Godber, J. B. Mills, Stratton
Aitken, W. T. Goodhew, Victor Montgomery, Fergus
Allan, Robert (Paddington, S.) Gower, Raymond More, Jasper (Ludlow)
Atkins, Humphrey Grant, Rt. Hon. William Morgan, William
Barlow, Sir John Green, Alan Mott-Radclyffe, Sir Charles
Barter, John Gresham Cooke, R. Nabarro, Gerald
Batsford, Brian Grimston, Sir Robert Nicholson, Sir Godfrey
Baxter, Sir Beverley (Southgate) Gurden, Harold Noble, Michael
Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton Hall, John (Wycombe) Nugent, Sir Richard
Bell, Ronald Hamilton, Michael (Wellingborough) Oakshott, Sir Hendrie
Berkeley, Humphry Harris, Reader (Heston) Osborne, Cyril (Louth)
Bevins, Rt. Hon. Reginald (Toxteth) Harrison, Col. J. H. (Eye) Page, John (Harrow, West)
Biggs-Davison, John Harvey, Sir Arthur Vere (Macclesf'd) Page, Graham (Crosby)
Bingham, R. M. Harvey, John (Walthamstow, E.) Pannell, Norman (Kirkdale)
Birch, Rt. Hon. Nigel Harvie Anderson, Miss Partridge, E.
Bishop, F. P. Hay, John Pearson, Frank (Clitheroe)
Box, Donald Heald, Rt. Hon. Sir Llonel Peel, John
Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hon. John Henderson, John (Cathcart) Percival, Ian
Boyle, Sir Edward Henderson-Stewart, Sir James Pickthorn, Sir Kenneth
Braine, Bernard Hendry, Forbes Pitt, Miss Edith
Brewis, John Hill, J. E. B. (S. Norfolk) Pott, Percivall
Brooke, Rt. Hon. Henry Hirst, Geoffrey Powell, Rt. Hon. J. Enoch
Brooman-White, R. Hobson, John Price, David (Eastleigh)
Bryan, Paul Hocking, Philip N. Prior, J. M. L.
Buck, Antony Holland, Philip Prior-Palmer, Brig. Sir Otho
Bullard, Denys Hollingworth, John Proudfoot, Wilfred
Bullus, Wing Commander Eric Hopkins, Alan Pym, Francis
Burden, F. A. Hornsby-Smith, Rt. Hon. Patricia Ramsden, James
Carr, Compton (Barons Court) Hughes Hallett, Vice-Admiral John Rawlinson, Peter
Carr, Robert (Mitcham) Hughes-Young, Michael Redmayne, Rt. Hon. Martin
Channon, H. P. G. Hulbert, Sir Norman Rees, Hugh
Chataway, Christopher Hutchison, Michael Clark Rees-Davies, W. R.
Chichester-Clark, R. Iremonger, T. L. Renton, David
Clark, William (Nottingham, S.) Jackson, John Roberts, Sir Peter (Heeley)
Cole, Norman James, David Robinson, Sir Roland (Blackpool, S.)
Cooper, A. E. Jenkins, Robert (Dulwich) Roots, William
Cordeaux, Lt.-Col. J. K. Jennings, J. C. Ropner, Col. Sir Leonard
Corfield, F. V. Johnson, Dr. Donald (Carlisle) Scott-Hopkins, James
Coulson, J. M. Johnson, Eric (Blackley) Seymour, Leslie
Craddock, Sir Beresford Johnson Smith, Geoffrey Sharpies, Richard
Critchley, Julian Kerans, Cdr. J. S. Shaw, M.
Croathwaite-Eyre, Col. O. E. Kerby, Capt. Henry Shepherd, William
Cunningham, Knox Kerr, Sir Hamilton Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir Jocelyn
Curran, Charles Kershaw, Anthony Skeet, T. H. H.
Currie, G. B. H. Kimball, Marcus Smith, Dudley (Br'ntf'rd & Chiswick)
Dalkeith, Earl of Kitson, Timothy Soames, Rt. Hon. Christopher
d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir Henry Lambton, Viscount Speir, Rupert
Deedes, W. F. Langford-Holt, J. Stanley, Hon. Richard
de Ferranti, Basil Leavey, J. A. Steward, Harold (Stockport, S.)
Doughty, Charles Leburn, Gilmour Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir Malcolm
Drayson, G. B. Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) Talbot, John E.
du Cann, Edward Lilley, F. J. P. Taylor, Edwin (Bolton, E.)
Duncan, Sir James Litchfield, Capt. John Teeling, William
Duthie, Sir William Loveys, Walter H. Temple, John M.
Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton) Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Thatcher, Mrs. Margaret
Elliott, R. W. (Nwcstle-upon-Tyne, N.) MacArthur, Ian Thomas, Leslie (Canterbury)
Emmet, Hon. Mrs. Evelyn Maclay, Rt. Hon. John Thompson, Kenneth (Walton)
Farey-Jones, F. W. McLean, Neil (Inverness) Thompson, Richard (Croydon, S.)
Farr, John Macpherson, Niall (Dumfries) Thornton-Kemsley, Sir Colin
Fisher, Nigel Maddan, Martin Tiley, Arthur (Bradford, W.)
Fletcher-Cooke, Charles Maitland, Sir John Tilney, John (Wavertree)
Fraser, Ian (Plymouth, Sutton) Markham, Major Sir Frank Turner, Colin
Freeth, Denzil Marten, Neil Turton, Rt. Hon. R. H.
Galbraith, Hon. T. G. D. Mawby, Ray Vane, W. M. F.
Gammans, Lady Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J. Wakefield, Edward (Derbyshire, W.)
Gibson-Watt, David Maydon, Lt.-Cmdr. S. L. C. Walder, David
Walker, Peter Williams, Paul (Sunderland, S.) Worsley, Marcus
Ward, Dame Irene Wills, Sir Gerald (Bridgwater) Yates, William (The Wrekin)
Watts, James Wilson, Geoffrey (Truro)
Webster, David Wolrige-Gordon, Partick TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Wells, John (Maidstone) Woodhouse, C. M. Mr. Finlay and
Whitelaw, William Woodnutt, Mark Mr. Gordon Campbell.
NOES
Awbery, Stan Houghton, Douglas Prentice, R. E.
Bacon, Miss Alice Howell, Charles A. Price, J. T. (Westhoughton)
Blyton, William Howell, Denis Probert, Arthur
Boardman, H. Hoy, James H. Proctor, W. T.
Bowden, Herbert W. (Leics, S. W.) Hughes, Emrys (S. Ayrshire) Randall, Harry
Braddock, Mrs. E. M. Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.) Rankin, John
Broughton, Dr. A. D. D. Hunter, A. E. Redhead, E. C.
Brown, Rt. Hon. George (Belper) Jay, Rt. Hon. Douglas Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Chetwynd, George Jeger, George Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvon)
Collick, Percy Jones, Rt. Hn. A. Creech (Wakefield) Robinson, Kenneth (St. Pancras, N.)
Craddock, George (Bradford, S.) Jones, Jack (Rotherham) Ross, William
Crosland, Anthony Jones, J. Idwal (Wrexham) Shinwell, Rt. Hon. E.
Culien, Mrs. Alice Jones, T. W. (Merioneth) Short, Edward
Davies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.) Kelley, Richard Silverman, Julius (Aston)
Davies, Harold (Leek) Kenyon, Clifford Silverman, Sydney (Nelson)
Davies, S. O. (Merthyr) Key, Rt. Hon. C. W. Slater, Mrs. Harriet (Stoke, N.)
Deer, George King, Dr. Horace Slater, Joseph (Sedgefield)
Delargy, Hugh Lawson, George Small, William
Dempsey, James Lee, Miss Jennie (Cannock) Smith, Ellis (Stoke, S.)
Diamond, John Lewis, Arthur (West Ham, N.) Snow, Julian
Dodds, Norman Lipton, Marcus Soskice, Rt. Hon. Sir Frank
Dugdale, Rt. Hon. John Logan, David Spriggs, Leslie
Ede, Rt. Hon. C. Loughlin, Charles Steele, Thomas
Edwards, Rt. Hon. Ness (Caerphilly) Mabon, Dr. J. Dickson Stewart, Michael (Fulham)
Edwards, Robert (Bilston) McCann, John Swingler, Stephen
Fernyhough, E McInnes, James Sylvester, George
Finch, Harold McKay, John (wallsend) Taylor, Bernard (Mansfield)
Fitch, Alan McLeavy, Frank Taylor, John (West Lothian)
Fletcher, Eric MacMillan, Malcolm (Western Isles) Thomas, George (Cardiff, W.)
Foot, Dingle (Ipswich) Manuel, A. C. Thomas, Iorwerth (Rhondda, W.)
Foot, Michael (Ebbw Vale) Mapp, Charles Thornton, Ernest
Forman, J. C. Marsh, Richard Ungoed-Thomas, Sir Lynn
Fraser, Thomas (Hamilton) Mendelson, J. J. Wade, Donald
Galpern, Sir Myer Milne, Edward J. Wainwright, Edwin
George, Lady Megan Lloyd (Crmrthn) Mitchison, G. R. warbey, William
Ginsburg, David Monslow, Walter Weitzman, David
Gordon Walker, Rt. Hon. P. C. Moody, A. S. Wells, Percy (Faversham)
Gourlay, Harry Morris, John Whitlock, William
Grey, Charles Moyle, Arthur Wilkins, W. A.
Griffiths, Rt. Hon. James (Llanelly) Oliver, G. H. Willey, Frederick
Grimond, J. Oswald, Thomas Williams, Ll. (Abertillery)
Hale, Leslie (Oldham, W.) Paget, R. T. Williams, W. R. (Openshaw)
Hannan, William Pannell, Charles (Leeds, W.) Willis, E. G. (Edinburgh, E.)
Hart, Mrs. Judith Pargiter, G. A. Wilson, Rt. Hon. Harold (Huyton)
Hayman, F. H. Parkin, B. T. (Paddington, N.) Woodburn, Rt. Hon. A.
Healey, Denis Pearson, Arthur (Pontypridd)
Hill, J. (Midlothian) Peart, Frederick TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Hilton, A. V. Pentland, Norman Mr. Cronin and Mr. Ifor Davies
Holman, Percy Plummer, Sir Leslie

The following is the Report of the Business Committee: That, subject to the provisions of the Order [6th March]:

  1. (a) the Proceedings on Consideration of the National Health Service Bill shall, if not previously brought to a conclusion, be brought to a conclusion at half-past 1212 Seven o'clock on the day which, under the Order [6th March], is given to the Proceedings on Consideration and Third Reading; and
  2. (b) the Proceedings on Third Reading of the Bill shall, if not previously brought to a conclusion, be brought to a conclusion in pursuance of the said Order at half-past Ten o'clock on that day.