§ 39. Mr. Bellengerasked the Secretary of State for War what portion of the helicopters held on the strength of the British Army of the Rhine are operational; and how many are still grounded.
§ Mr. ProfumoHalf are operational. Half are at present undergoing servicing. None is grounded.
§ Mr. BellengerAlthough that may be the position at the moment, is not the Minister aware that comparatively recently the whole lot were grounded because of a defect? Is he aware that on mare than one occasion the British Army has had to call on the German Army to supply it with helicopters for British purposes, and is not this rather undignified?
§ Mr. ProfumoAs the right hon. Gentleman knows—and be has been to Germany—there have, indeed, been troubles with the helicopters. The occasion that the right hon. Gentleman mentions, When a corps commander found that he could not get a helicopter, was an occasion when, I grant, the helicopters were grounded. They are not grounded now, and I am satisfied that we are making progress; although there is bound to be trouble with helicopters at this stage anywhere, because there are difficulties to be overcome.
§ Mr. John HallMay I ask my right hon Friend how much is half?
§ Mr. ProfumoHalf of the total amount, but I do not think that it is usual to disclose the operational strength of equipment.
§ Mr. ShinwellIs the right hon. Gentleman serious when he says, or implies, that in the interests of security he cannot tell us how many helicopters there are?
§ Mr. ProfumoI should think that the right hon. Gentleman knows only too 392 well from his very wide experience that if I started to tell the House about the number of helicopters in B.A.O.R. I should have to tell the House about the strength of the operational equipment in the Army as well, and I do not think that that would be wise.