HC Deb 05 May 1959 vol 605 cc332-41
Dr. Summerskill

I beg to move, in page 86, line 7, to leave out Clause 132.

I feel I ought to apologise to the Minister because he has been so understanding on other occasions and I have to come back to this point, but I think that this Amendment is very important. The purpose of the Amendment is to give the patient who is not subject to detention complete freedom to correspond, to ensure that the outgoing mail and the incoming mail shall not be stopped even though it might be suspected that some letter is perhaps going to a place where it might cause some trouble.

We debated this question fully in Committee and the Minister knows most of the arguments. He quite rightly accused me of being illogical because on another occasion, when we were discussing the patient who was subject to detention, a patient who is not an informal patient, I said that certain letters certainly should be withheld. The Minister accepted that argument and today we have had an Amendment meeting our wishes. The Minister listened carefully and responded, but I am afraid I must link my argument tonight to one aspect of the situation. In Committee the Minister, when dealing with the patient who was subject to detention and the informal patient, said: In many cases they are subject to the same paranoic urges of sending out unsuitable correspondence and it is necessary that the outside public should be protected. In a word, the difference is not between the administrative procedures whereby they have come in for treatment, whether on the one hand the procedures of Part IV, or the informal procedure. It is in the mental condition itself."—[OFFICIAL, REPORT, Standing Committee E: 16th April, 1959, c. 736.] I am not relating my argument to that at all. In my opinion, the Minister has failed to understand the very essence of the case.

The approach to the Bill is such that we shall not be successful unless we can educate the potential patient—all of us, on both sides of the House, are potential patients—and the relatives and friends. In the past, under the old Lunacy Acts, pressure has been brought to bear on people showing symptoms of mental disorder to enter what, in the old days, were called asylums. Our approach today is entirely different. We are anxious to persuade people that when they are conscious of the first stages of a mental disorder they should apply for treatment precisely in the same way as they might apply if they had a pain or a rash or some other symptom related to a surgical or medical condition.

In order to persuade people to go to a doctor or to a psychiatrist, we must ensure that they shall have the maximum of protection. We must assure them that, as far as possible, they will be kept in touch with those they love. I suggest to the Minister that if a patient knows that if he voluntarily submits himself to treatment there may be a chance of his letter being interfered with and that vital link with the outside world, with the things with which he is familiar and the people whom he loves, might be cut, we shall have defeated absolutely one of the most important objectives of the Bill.

If the Minister reads what he said, he will find that he has not applied himself to that question at all. I relate all my argument to that. I said to him that we must weigh the benefits with the dangers, the dangers being that an unpleasant letter or a defamatory letter may be sent to some third party. It may be that a patient himself might receive letters of an unpleasant nature. We have to weigh the danger of the harm that may be caused to him and to a third party with the benefits which may accrue both to him and indeed to the whole community if we say that in this category of patients it shall never be suggested that their communications with the outside world will be in any way interfered with. I relate all my argument to that point.

I can assure the Minister that I would not have put my name to this Amendment and drawn attention to this matter again if I had not given the matter careful thought. This is an important question, and what I am so anxious to do is to ensure that this great social reform shall be implemented as soon as possible. I am quite certain that unless we can educate people to recognise that they will be dealt with kindly and sympathetically, but that at the same time none of their freedoms will be interfered with, we shall have failed in educating the potential patient. Therefore, I ask the Minister to think about it again and perhaps bring the matter up in another place, because I think the public benefit to the community outweighs the dangers.

Mr. Walker-Smith

This is a question which has caused a good deal of concern to those of us who have participated in our deliberations to date on this Bill. We had ample discussion of it upstairs in Committee, both in the context of Clause 36, which this House has now passed, and which sets out the code in respect of detained patients, and also in that of Clause 132, which applies that code to voluntary patients.

As we discussed these matters in Committee, we had a certain amount of common ground in our approach, though it did not in all cases lead us to the same conclusions. Part of our common ground was that nobody likes the censorship practice, for whatever reason. Another common ground we had was that we all realised that this was a difficult problem with conflicting considerations, with not markedly unequal forces weighing in the balance on either side.

Now, we have to approach this matter not on the basis of a clean slate as to whether or not there should be any control of correspondence, either incoming or outgoing, in respect of patients at all, because we are beyond that stage. We now have Clause 36 in the Bill, and we start from the basis that in respect of detained patients there will be a degree of control, requisite in their own interests and for the protection of the public outside. That is our starting position. Not only are the Clause 36 provisions in the Bill but they were strengthened by the Amendment which I moved today, based on an Amendment moved by the right hon. Lady the Member for Warrington (Dr. Summerskiil) earlier, about defamatory letters sent by detained patients to persons outside.

9.15 p.m.

The question which the House must therefore decide on this Amendment is not the broad question whether any degree of censorship or control should be permissible but the narrow point whether there is any valid distinction in this context between the position of the detained patient, on the one hand, and that of the voluntary or informal patient on the other hand. It is within that narrow context that we should base our decision on a question which we have conscientiously found to be difficult and troublesome. I must tell the right hon. Lady in all fairness that my mind on this matter is the same as it was in Standing Committee after considerable thought and weighing of these considerations.

The strength of the argument to omit these provisions in respect of the voluntary and informal patient is the desire as far as possible to treat patients who are suffering from mental or psychiatric illness on the same basis as patients who are suffering from physical illness, because wherever possible, that is one of the main principles which underlies our approach to the Bill. As against that, we have the position that we are to have control for the detained patient, which was overwhelmingly adopted by the Standing Committee. Then, if we accepted the right hon. Lady's Amendment, we should make a differentiation between the detained and the voluntary patient. That is a far more marked differentiation than the other differentiation which I mentioned, because it would be between people who are patients not only in the same hospital but often in the same ward. They will be patients cheek by jowl, one of whom has come in as a compulsory patient and one of whom has come in as a voluntary patient.

As I emphasised in the passage quoted earlier today on another Amendment, it is our position that, once these people enter the hospital, whatever the origin of their arrival, they are all treated as patients within the National Health Service. This disinction should therefore not be made.

Mr. John Paton (Norwich, North)

Surely the right hon. and learned Gentleman is missing the point. We do not want to make a differentiation for the sake of making a differentiation. We want to make it easy for the patient outside to enter a hospital for voluntary treatment. If that patient knows in advance that he or she will be completely cut off from the possibility of normal communications with friends outside, except under conditions laid down in Clause 36, that will be a serious obstacle in getting patients to enter hospital at the proper time for effective treatment.

Mr. Walker-Smith

We have to have that point in mind. If it were a fact that the application of these procedures was likely to be a deterrent to people seeking voluntary or informal treatment, that would be a very powerful argument. But our inquiries suggest that that is not the case. These powers are permissive, and obviously they will not be applied to all the correspondence of all the patients all the time, Very far from it. They are powers which are required for the difficult cases where there is reason to believe either that incoming correspondence will be injurious to the patient and detrimental to his treatment and chances of recovery or, conversely, where he is sending letters of a sort which are offensive to people outside.

Mr. Paton

That must mean a continuous censorship of the patient's ingoing and outgoing correspondence. It is that very fact that seems to us to be a deterrent to the patient entering a hospital.

Mr. Walker-Smith

No. I quite agree that, if one has not experience of the way in which it works, one might well think that that is so. In fact it is not so. We did not have the advantage of the assistance of the hon. Member for Norwich, North (Mr. J. Paton) on the Standing Committee, but if he would be good enough to look at the speech made by his hon. Friend the Member for Batley and Morley (Dr. Broughton), who has, as the hon. Member knows, had considerable service in this type of hospital, he will see it explained on that authority how this principle works in practice.

Mr. Somerville Hastings (Barking)

Before the right hon. and learned Gentleman finishes dealing with this subject, will he tell us whether in many hospitals voluntary and compulsorily detained patients are occupying the same wards? I am not aware of that.

Mr. Norman Dodds (Erith and Crayford)

Yes, it is quite true.

Mr. Walker-Smith

They are doing so, and it is part of the principle that I am putting forward in the Bill that that should be the case and anything which militated against that would be a retrograde step from one of the main principles which we have in mind.

Mr. Dodds

The right hon. and learned Gentleman has stated that the principle is to mix certified and voluntary patients. Does the right hon. and learned Gentleman know that already it is having a disastrous effect on people entering voluntarily, because they have to live day and night with those who have been certified? Therefore, the same thing can apply with the correspondence. Voluntary patients expect to have better treatment than those who have been already certified.

Mr. Walker-Smith

As the hon. Member for Erith and Crayford (Mr. Dodds) knows, one of the things we are doing in the Bill is to get rid of certification. What we are anxious to do is to give the best treatment we can to everybody, no matter in what way they enter hospital.

The basic point about the two types of patient of whom we are speaking in this context is this. They will be suffering from the same form of mental disorder. It is the mental disorder which gives rise to the circumstances which may require control of their correspondence. It is not the fact of detention which gives rise to it. Persons suffering from a mental disorder may very well accept voluntary or informal treatment, and we hope that they will. If they have a relapse during treatment in hospital, they are equally liable to send the sort of letters against which the public have to be guarded as patients who have entered by compulsory methods.

I undertook in Committee to examine certain specific points which were raised. The right hon. Lady has said, rightly, that I have taken a good deal of care and trouble over this point. The first question was whether expert and responsible opinion thinks that the power is necessary in respect of the voluntary patient. As was pointed out in Committee, there are two minds amongst the expert opinion in the Royal Medico-Psychological Association, and so on, on the subject of censorship generally and whether there ought to be any. As I say, there are two minds on that, but there is only one mind on whether there should be any distinction between the voluntary and the detaitned patient. They take the view that there should not be a distinction between them.

The second question was that which we have already been discussing, and which was the subject of a good deal of the right hon Lady's opening observations and of the interventions of the hon. Member for Norwich, North; that is to say, whether these provisions would deter people from accepting voluntary treatment. On the experts' advice that 1 have sought, and received, we are satisfied that this is not a real danger. Various restrictions, obviously, have to be placed even on informal and voluntary patients when suffering from mental disorders, in the course of their treatment and so on. Those are accepted, and the view is that this will be accepted as well.

The third question that I was asked was whether any special procedures could be applied in respect of voluntary patients different from those applied in respect of the detained patients. I have also looked at that. I do not think that it would be convenient or appropriate, because these matters of procedure in the hospital are for the responsible medical officer to deal with. We would be better to leave them to him to deal with as circumstances dictate rather than try to spell out such specific and individual details in a Statute.

As I hope the House will appreciate, I have gone into the matter very closely yet again following the Committee stage. That is my opinion now, and I must put it to the House. There is, however, just one point that I should add. In the course of my reconsideration I felt that the power which this Clause takes in respect of the local authority homes is rather different from that in respect of in-patients in the hospital.

Residents in the local authority homes are not likely to be suffering from the same severity of mental disorder as would make this sort of correspondence so likely to upset them, if it was incoming, or to be offensive to others if it was outgoing. I therefore propose to have Amendments tabled in another place to delete references to residents in local homes but, for the reasons I have given, I must advise the House that it is essential to retain the Clause in relation to hospital in-patients.

Dr. Summerskill

I am sorry that the Minister has not responded to my appeal, and as we feel very strongly on this aspect I must ask my hon. Friends to divide on the Amendment.

Question put, That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Bill:—

The House divided: Ayes 177, Noes 149.

Division No. 99.] AYES [7.57 p.m.
Ainsley, J. W. Gooch, E. G. Neal, Harold (Bolsover)
Albu, A. H. Gordon Walker, Rt. Hon. P. C. Noel-Baker, Francis (Swindon)
Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.) Greenwood, Anthony Orbach, M.
Allen, Arthur (Bosworth) Grenfell, Rt. Hon. D. R. Oswald, T.
Allen, Scholefield (Crewe) Grey, C. F. Owen, W. J.
Awbery, S. S. Griffiths, David (Bother Valley) Padley, W. E.
Bacon, Miss Alice Griffiths, Rt. Hon. James (Llanelly) Paget, R. T.
Baird, J. Grimond, J. Paling, Rt. Hon. W. (Dearne Valley)
Balfour, A. Hale, Leslie Paling, Will T. (Dewsbury)
Bence, C. R. (Dunbartonshire, E.) Hall, Rt. Hn. Glerivil (Colne Valley) Pargiter, G. A.
Benson, Sir George Hamilton, W. W. Parker, J.
Blackburn, F. Hannan, W. Pearson, A.
Blenkinsop, A. Hastings, S. Peart, T. F.
BIyton, W. R. Hayman, F. H. Pentland, N.
Boardman, H. Herbison, Miss M. Prentice, R. E.
Bonham Carter, Mark Hewitson, Capt. M. Price, Philips (Gloucestershire, W.)
Bowden, H. W. (Leicester, S.W.) Hilton, A. V. Probert, A. R.
Bowen, E. R. (Cardigan) Hobson, C. R. (Keighley) Pursey, Cmdr. H.
Boyd, T. C. Holman, P. Randall, H. E.
Braddock, Mrs. Elizabeth Howell, Charles (Perry Barr) Redhead, E. C.
Brockway, A. F. Howell, Denis (All Saints) Reeves, J.
Broughton, Dr. A. D. D. Hoy, J. H. Reid, William
Brown, Thomas (Ince) Hughes, Cledwyn (Anglesey) Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Burke, W. A. Hunter, A. E. Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvon)
Burton, Miss F. E. Hynd, J. B. (Attercliffe) Robinson, Kenneth (St. Pancras, N.)
Callaghan, L. J. Irvine, A. J. (Edge Hill) Rogers, George (Kensington, N.)
Carmichael, J. Irving, Sydney (Dartford) Ross, William
Champion, A. J. Janner, B. Short, E. W.
Chapman, W. D. Johnson, James (Rugby) Silverman, Sydney (Nelson)
Chetwynd, G. R. Jones, David (The Hartlepools) Simmons, C. J. (Brierley Hill)
Clitfe, Michael Jones, Jack (Rotherham) Skeffington, A. M.
Collick, P. H. (Birkenhead) Jones, J. Idwal (Wrexham) Slater, Mrs. H. (Stoke, N.)
Craddock, George (Bradford, S.) Jones, T. W. (Merioneth) Smith, Ellis (Stoke, S.)
Crossman, R. H. S. King, Dr. H. M. Snow, J. W.
Cullen, Mrs. A. Lee, Frederick (Newton) Soskice, Rt. Hon. Sir Frank
Davies, Ernest (Enfield, E.) Lever, Leslie (Ardwick) Sparks, J. A.
Davies, Stephen (Merthyr) Logan, D. G. Spriggs, Leslie
Deer, G. Mabon, Dr. J. Dickson StonehouSe, John
Delargy, H. J. McAlister, Mrs. Mary Stross, Dr. Barnett(Stoke-on-Trent, C.)
Dodds, N. N. MacColl, J. E. Summerskill, Rt. Hon. E.
Donnelly, D. L. McInnes, J. Taylor, Bernard (Mansfield)
Ede, Rt. Hon. J. C. McKay, John (Wallsend) Taylor, John (West Lothian)
Edwards, Rt. Hon. Ness (Caerphilly) MacPherson, Malcolm (Stirling) Thornton, E.
Evans, Albert (Islington, S.W.) Mallalieu, E. L. (Brigg) Timmons, J.
Evans, Edward (Lowestoft) Mann, Mrs. Jean Usborne, H. C.
Finch, H. J. (BedwelltV) Mitchison, G. R. Viant, S. P.
Fletcher, Eric Moody, A. S. Wade, D. W.
Forman, J. C. Mort, D. L. Warbey, W. N.
Fraser, Thomas (Hamilton) Moss, R. Weitzman, D.
George, Lady Megan Lloyd(Car'then) Moyle, A. White, Mrs. Eirene (E. Flint)
Gibson, C. W. Mulley, F. W. Wilcock, Group Capt. C. A. B.
Wilkins, W. A. Winterbottom, Richard Zilliacus, K.
Williams, Rev. Llywelyn (Ab'tillery) Woodburn, Rt. Hon. A.
Williams, W. R. (Openshaw) Woof, R. E. TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Willis, Eustace (Edinburgh, E.) Yates, V. (Ladywood) Mr. Holmes and Mr. S. T. Price.
NOES
Agnew, Sir Peter Harris, Frederic (Croydon, N.W.) Nicolson, N. (B'n'm'th, E. & Chr'ch)
Aitken, W. T. Harris, Reader (Heston) Noble, Comdr. Rt. Hon. Allan
Alport, C. J. M. Harrison, A. B. C. (Maydon) Noble, Michael (Argyll)
Armstrong, C. W. Harrison, Col. J. H. (Eye) Nugent, C. R. H.
Ashton, H. Harvey, Sir Arthur Vere (Macctesf'd) Oakshott, H. D.
Baldock, Lt. Cmdr. J. M. Harvey, John (Walthamstow, E.) O'Neill, Hn. Phelim (Co. Antrim, N.)
Baldwin, Sir Archer Heald, Rt. Hon. Sir Lionel Orr-Ewing, C. Ian (Hendon, N.)
BaInlet, Lord Heath, Rt. Hon. E. R. G. Page, R. G.
Barber, Anthony Henderson-Stewart, Sir James Pannell, N. A. (Kirkdale)
Barlow, Sir John Hesketh, R. F. Partridge, E.
Barter, John Hicks-Beach, Maj. W. W. Peel, W. J.
Batsford, Brian Hill, Mrs. E. (Wythenshawe) Pickthorn, Sir Kenneth
Bell, Philip (Bolton, E.) Hill, John (S. Norfolk) PilkIngton, Capt. R. A.
Bennett, Dr. Reginald Hinchingbrooke, Viscount Pitt, Miss E. M.
BevIns, J. R. (Toxteth) Holland-Martin, C. J. Pott, H. P.
Bidgood, J. C. Hope, Lord John Powell, J. Enoch
Biggs-Davison, J. A. Hornby, R. P. Price, David (Eastleigh)
Bingham, R. M. Horobin, Sir Ian Price, Henry (Lewisham, W.)
Bishop, F. P. Howard, Hon. Greville (St. Ives) Prior-Palmer, Brig. 0. L.
Body, R. F. Hughes-Young, M. H. C. Rawlinson, Peter
Braithwaite, Sir Albert (Harrow, W.) Hurd, Sir Anthony Redmayne, M.
Brewis, John Hutchison, Michael Clark(E'b'gh, S.) Renton, D. L. M.
Bromley-Davenport, Lt.-Col. W. H. Hylton-Foster, Rt. Hon. Sir Harry Roper, Sir Harold
Brooman-White, R. C. Iremonger, T. L. Russell, R. S.
Bryan, P. Irvine, Bryant Godman (Rye) Scott-Miller, Cmdr. R.
Burden, F. F. A. Jennings, J. C. (Burton) Sharples, R. C.
Campbell, Sir David Jennings, Sir Roland (Hallam) Shepherd, William
Channon, H. P. G. Johnson, Dr. Donald (Carlisle) Smithers, Peter (Winchester)
Cooke, Robert Johnson, Eric (Blackley) Spearman, Sir Alexander
Cooper, A. E. Keegan, D. Speir, R. M.
Cordeaux, Lt.-Col. J. K. Kimball, M. Spens, Rt. Hn. sir P. (Kens'gt'n, S.)
Corteid, F. V. Kirk, P. M. Stanley, Capt. Hon. Richard
Courtney, Col. Anthony Legge-Bourke, Maj. E. A. M. Steward, Sir William (Woolwich, W.)
Craddock, Beresford (Spelthome) Legh, Hon. Peter (Petersfield) Storey, S.
Crowder, Sir John (Finchley) Lindsay, Martin (Solihull) Stuart, Rt. Hon. James, (Moray)
Cunningham, Knox Linstead, Sir H. N. Studholme, Sir Henry
Currie, G. B. H. Lloyd, Maj. Sir Guy (Renfrew, E.) Summers, Sir Spencer
Derides, W. F. Loveys, Walter H. Taylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne)
de Ferranti, Basil Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Teeling, W.
Donaldson, Crndr. C. E. MoA. McAdden, S. J. Thomas, Leslie, (Canterbury)
Doughty, C. J. A. Macdonald, Sir Peter Thompson, R. (Croydon, S.)
du Cann, E. D. L. Mackeson, Brig. Sir Harry Tiley, A. (Bradford, W.)
Duncan, Sir James McLaughlin, Mrs. P. Tweedsmuir, Lady
Elliott, R. W. (Ne'castle upon Tyne, N.) MacLeod, John (Ross & Cromarty) Vickers, Miss Joan
Emmet, Hon. Mrs. Evelyn McMaster, S. R. Vosper, Rt. Hon. D. F.
Errington, Sir Eric Macmillan, Maurice (Halifax) Wakefield, Sir Wavell (St. M'lebono)
Farey-Jones, F. W. Maddan, Martin Walker-Smith, Rt. Hon. Derek
Finlay, Graeme Maitland, Gdr. J. F. W. (Horncastle) Wall, Patrick
Cammans, Lady Maitland, Hon. Patrick (Lanark) Ward, Dame Irene (Tynemouth)
Gibson-Watt, D. Marshall, Douglas Webster, David
Glover, D. Mathew, R. Williams, R. Dudley (Exeter)
Godber, J. B. Mawby, R. L. Wills, Sir Gerald (Bridgwater)
Cough, C. F. H. Maydon, Lt.-Comdr. S. L. C. Wilson, Geoffrey (Truro)
Gower, H. R. Medlicott, Sir Frank Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick
Graham, Sir Fergus Nabarro, G. D. N. Woollam, John Victor
Grimston, Hon. John (St. Albans) Nairn, D. L. S. Yates, William (The Wrekin)
Grimston, Sir Robert (Westbury) Neave, Alrey
Grosvenor, Lt.-Col. R. G. Nicholls, Harmar TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Hall, John (Wycombe) Nicholson, Sir Godfrey (Farnham) Mr. Chichester-Clark and
Mr. Whitelaw.
Division No. 100.] AYES [9.29 p.m
Agnew, Sir Peter Green, A. Nicholson, Sir Godfrey (Farnham)
Aitken, W. T. Grimston, Hon. John (St. Albans) Nicolson, N. (B'n'm'th, E. & Chr'ch)
Allan, R. A. (Paddington, S.) Grimston, Sir Robert (Westbury) Noble, Comdr. Rt. Hon. Allan
Alport, C. J. M. Grosvenor, Lt.-Col. R. G. Noble, Michael (Argyll)
Armstrong, C. W. Harris, Frederic (Croydon, N.W.) Nugent, C. R. H.
Ashton, H. Harrison, A. B. C. (Maldon) Oakshott, H. D.
Baldock, Lt.-Cmdr. J. M. Harvey, Sir Arthur Vere (Macclesf'd) O'Neill, Hn. Phelim (Co. Antrim, N.)
Baldwin, Sir Archer Harvey, John (Walthamstow, E.) Orr-Ewing, C. Ian (Hendon, N.)
Balniel, Lord Harvie-Watt, Sir George Page, R. G.
Barber, Anthony Head, Rt. Hon. A. H. Pannell, N. A. (Kirkdale)
Barlow, Sir John Heald, Rt. Hon. Sir Lionel Partridge, E.
Barter, John Heath, Rt. Hon. E. R. G. Peel, W. J.
Batsford, Brian Henderson-Stewart, Sir James Pickthorn, Sir Kenneth
Beamish, Col. Tufton Hesketh, R. F. Pilkington, Capt. R. A.
Bell, Philip (Bolton, E.) Hill, Mrs. E. (Wythenshawe) Pitt, Miss E. M.
Bennett, Dr. Reginald Hill, John (S. Norfolk) Pott, H. P.
Bevins, J. R. (Toxteth) Holland-Martin, C. J. Powell, J. Enoch
Bidgood, J. C. Hope, Lord John Price, David (Eastleigh)
Biggs-Davison, J. A. Hornby, R. P. Price, Henry (Lewisham, W.)
Bingham, R. M. Hornsby-Smith, Miss M. P. Prior-Palmer, Brig. 0. L.
Bishop, F. P. Horobin, Sir Ian Redmayne, M.
Body, R. F. Hughes-Young, M. H. C. Renton, D. L. M.
Boyle, Sir Edward Hurd, Sir Anthony Roper, Sir Harold
Braithwaite, Sir Albert (Harrow, W.) Hutchison, Michael Clarke(E'b'gh, S.) Russell, R. S.
Brewis, John Hylton-Foster, Rt. Hon. Sir Harry Scott-Miller, Cmdr. R.
Bromley-Davenport, Lt.-Col. W. H. Iremonger, T. L. Sharpies, R. C.
Brooman-White, R. C. Jennings, J. C. (Burton) Shepherd, William
Browne, J. Nixon (Craighton) Jennings, Sir Roland (Hallam) Smithers, Peter (Winchester)
Burden, F. F. A. Johnson, Eric (Blackley) Spearman, Sir Alexander
Channon, H. P. G. Kaberry, D. Speir, R. M.
Chichester-Clark, R. Kimball, M. Spens, Rt. Hn. Sir P. (Kens'gt'n, S.)
Cooke, Robert Kirk, P. M. Stanley, Capt. Hon. Richard
Cooper, A. E. Lancaster, Col. C. G. Steward, Sir William(Woolwich, W.)
Cordeaux, Lt.-Col. J. K. Langford-Holt, J. A. Storey, S.
Corfield, F. V. Legge-Bourke, Maj. E. A. H. Stuart, Rt. Hon. James (Moray)
Courtney, Cdr. Anthony Legh, Hon. Peter (Petersfield) Studholme, Sir Henry
Craddock, Beresford (Spelthorne) Lindsay, Martin (Solihull) Summers, Sir Spencer
Crowder, Sir John (Finohley) Linstead, Sir H. N. Taylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne)
Cunningham, Knox Lloyd, Maj. Sir Guy (Renfrew, E.) Teeling, W.
Currie, G. B. H. Longden, Gilbert Thomas, Leslie (Canterbury)
Davidson, Viscountess Loveys, Walter H. Thompson, R. (Croydon, S.)
Deedes, W. F. Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Tiley, A. (Bradford, W.)
de Ferranti, Basil McAdden, S. J. Tweedsmuir, Lady
Dodds-Parker, A. D. Macdonald, Sir Peter Vickers, Miss Joan
Donaldson, Cmdr. C. E. McA. Mackeson, Brig. Sir Harry Vesper, Rt. Hon. D. F.
Doughty, C. J. A. McLaughlin, Mrs. P. Wakefield, Sir Wavell (St. M'lebone)
du Cann, E. D. L. MacLeod, John (Ross & Cromarty) Walker-Smith, Rt. Hon. Derek
Duncan, Sir James McMaster, S. R. Wall, Patrick
Elliott, R.W.(Ne'castle upon Tyne, N.) Macmillan, Maurice (Halifax) Ward, Dame Irene (Tynemouth)
Emmet, Hon. Mrs. Evelyn Maddan, Martin Webster, David
Errington, Sir Eric Maitland, Cdr. J. F. W.(Horncastle) Whitelaw, W. S. I.
Finlay, Graeme Marshall, Douglas Williams, R Dudley (Exeter)
Fraser, Hon. Hugh (Stone) Mathew, R. Wills, Sir Gerald (Bridgwater)
Freeth, Denzil Mawby, R. L. Wilson, Geoffrey (Truro)
Gammans, Lady Maydon, Lt.-Comdr. S. L. C. Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick
Gibson-Watt, D. Medlioott, Sir Frank Woollam, John Victor
Glover, D. Nabarro, G. D. N. Yates, William (The Wrekin)
Godber, J. B. Nairn, D. L. S.
Gower, H. R. Neave, Airey TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Graham, Sir Fergus Nicholls, Harmar Colonel J. H. Harrison and
Mr. Bryan.
NOES
Ainsley. J. W. Brown, Thomas (Ince) Edwards, Rt. Hon. Ness (Caerphilly)
Albu, A. H. Burke, W.A. Evans, Albert (Islington, S. W.)
Aliaun, Frank (Salford, E.) Burton, Miss F.E. Finch, H. J. (Bedwelty)
Alien, Arthur (Bosworth) Callaghan, L.J. Fietcher, Eric
Allen, Scholefield (Crewe) Carmichael, J. Forman, J.C.
Awbery, S.S. Champion, A.J. Fraser, Thomas (Hamilton)
Bacon, Miss Alice Chapman, W.D. George, Lady Megan Lloyd (Car'then)
Baird, J. Cliffe, Michael Gibson, C. W.
Balfour, A. Collick, George (Bradford, S.) Gordon Walker, Rt. Hon. P. C.
Benson, Sir George Crossman, R.H.S. Grenfell, Rt. Hon. D. R.
Blackbur, F. Cullen, Mrs. A. Grey, C.F.
Blenkinsop,.A. Davies, Ernest (Enfield, E.) Griffiths, David (Rother Valley)
Blyton, W.R. Davies, Stephen (Merthyr) Griffiths, Rt. Hon. James (Lianelly)
Boardman, H. Deer, G. Grimond, J.
Bonham Carter, Mark Delargy, H.J. Hale, Leslie
Bowde, H. W. (Leicester, S.W.) Dodds, N.N. Hanna, W.
Braddock, Mrs. Elizabeth Donnelly, D. L. Hastings, S.
Brockway, A. F. Ede, Rt. Hon. J.C. Hayman, F. H.
Herbison, Miss M. Mort, D. L. Skeffington, A. M.
Hilton, A. V. Moss, R. Slater, Mrs. H, (Stoke, N.)
Holman, P. Moyle, A. Smith, Ellis (Stoke, S.)
Holmes, Horace Mulley, F. W. Soskice, Rt. Hon. Sir Frank
Howell, Charles (Perry Barr) Neal, Harold (Bolsover) Sparks, J. A.
Howell, Denis (All Saints) Noel-Baker, Francis (Swindon) Spriggs, Leslie
Hey, J. H. Orbach, M. Stonehouse, John
Hughes, Cledwyn (Anglesey) Oswald, T. Stross, Dr. Barnett(Stoke-on-Trent, C.)
Hunter, A. E. Owen, W. J. Summerskill, Rt. Hon. E.
Hynd, J. B. (Attereliffe) Padley, W. E. Taylor, Bernard (Mansfield)
Irvine, A. J. (Edge Hill) Paget, R. T. Taylor, John (West Lothian)
Irving, Sydney (Dartford) Paling, Rt. Hon. W. (Dearne Valley) Thornton, E,
Janner, B. Pargiter, G. A. Timmons, J.
Johnson, James (Rugby) Parker, J. Osborne, H. C.
Jones, David (The Hartlepools) Parkin, B. T. Wade, D. W.
Jones, Jack (Rotherham) Paton, John Warbey, W, N.
Jones, J. Idwal (Wrexham) Peart, T. F. Weitzman, D.
Jones, T. W. (Merioneth) Pentland, N. Wells, William (Walsall, N.)
King, Dr. H. M. Prentice, R. E. White, Mrs. Eirene (E. Flint)
Lee, Frederick (Newton) Price, J. T, (Westhoughton) Wilkins, W. A.
Lever, Leslie (Ardwick) Price, Philips (Gloucestershire, W.) Williams, Rev. Llywelyn (Ab'tillery)
Logan, D. G. Probert, A. R. Williams, W. R. (Openshaw)
Mahon, Dr. J. Dickson Pursey, Cmdr. H. Willis, Eustace (Edinburgh, E.)
McAlister, Mrs. Mary Randall, H. E. Winterbottom, Richard
MaoColl, J. E. Rankin, John Woodburn, Rt. Hon. A.
McInnes, J. Redhead, E. C. Woof, R. E.
McKay, John (Wallsend) Roberts, Albert (Normanton) Yates, V. (Ladywood)
MacPherson, Malcolm (Stirling) Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvon) Zilliacus, K.
Mallalieu, E. L. (Brigg) Robinson, Kenneth (St. Pancras, N.)
Mann, Mrs. Jean Rogers, George (Kensington, N.) TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Mitchison, G. R. Ross, William Mr. Pearson and Mr. Simmons.
Moody, A. S. Short, E, W.