Teachers

HC Deb 12 March 1959 vol 601 cc1427-8

2. Mr. Fitch

asked the Minister of Education by what authority he fixes quotas of teachers to be employed by local education authorities, since there would not appear to be any legal basis for this action.

The Minister of Education (Mr. Geoffrey Lloyd)

Regulation 18 of the Schools Grant Regulations, 1951, of which I am sending the hon. Member a copy.

Mr. Fitch

Will the right hon. Gentleman agree that the quota system is unfair, since it fails to take local circumstances into consideration? For example, in Wigan, my constituency, two-thirds of the schools are denominational, and it is not always easy to transfer teachers from a denominational school to a State school.

Mr. Lloyd

That is a broader question than that originally asked, but on the whole authorities have co-operated in this measure, and have recognised the need for it. However, I should be pleased to discuss with the hon. Member any particular difficulties in his constituency.

9. Mr. W. Yates

asked the Minister of Education if he will consider recommending the appointment of a Royal Commission to examine the status of the teaching profession, with terms of reference covering recruitment, training, conditions, salaries and pension rights.

Mr. Geoffrey Lloyd

I am advised on these matters by the National Advisory Council on the Training and Supply of Teachers and by the Burnham Committee. I have full confidence in these bodies and therefore see no need for the appointment of a Royal Commission.

Mr. Yates

Is my right hon. Friend aware that the last Royal Commission sat in 1870? Is he further aware that, although the capital programme is extremely good, many parents and professional people are anxious about the future? Would not the findings of a Royal Commission benefit the nation, the profession, and everybody concerned? Will my right hon. Friend consult his Cabinet colleagues again and see if he can obtain agreement to the setting up of such a Royal Commission?

Mr. Lloyd

I will send my hon. Friend details of the membership of these two bodies, and particularly the National Advisory Council on the Training and Supply of Teachers. He will see that I have available a very wide selection of eminent educational opinion.

Mr. M. Stewart

If the right hon. Gentleman has full confidence in the National Advisory Council, will he take its advice about the extent to which training colleges should be expanded?

Mr. Lloyd

As the hon. Member knows, I took its advice on the main point, which was the objective to be attained.