HC Deb 08 June 1959 vol 606 cc615-6
18. Mr. Blenkinsop

asked the Minister of Labour whether he is aware that those responsible for research programmes in nuclear engineering are concerned at the difficulties caused by the call-up of non-graduate research staff; whether he is prepared to give the matter further consideration.

Mr. Iain Macleod

Representations have been made to me from time to time that the call-up of non-graduates engaged on research has created difficulties for firms engaged in nuclear engineering and other industries. On the advice of my Technical Personnel Committee, which considered this matter again last autumn, I am not prepared to extend the deferment arrangements for science and engineering graduates to men with other qualifications.

Mr. Blenkinsop

Does the right hon. Gentleman not recognise that this is a serious matter to some important engineering establishments as well as a serious matter to the young men involved? Is it not absolutely wrong that graduates should be excluded whilst the work of non-graduates who are doing almost equally important research work for the nation in this field is being cut in this way?

Mr. Macleod

I am not without sympathy for that point of view. That is why I particularly asked my technical personnel committee to consider it. That committee, however, came to the conclusion, first, that it is easy to define graduates; and the scheme is kept to them because it must be kept within bounds. It is, however, extremely difficult to distinguish between all the different professional qualifications that non-graduates have.

Mr. Shinwell

If an employer regards a non-graduate research worker as important and, indeed, essential to the undertaking, is that not a sufficient definition?

Mr. Macleod

No, I am afraid it is not. That would be giving to the employers the right of veto over the call-up for National Service.

Mr. Blenkinsop

Is the Minister aware that some of the research directors would be willing to discuss with his personnel some definition that they believe to be quite as effective as the existing graduate definition?

Mr. Macleod

If the hon. Member would like to organise such a deputation, I will certainly receive it.