HC Deb 06 May 1958 vol 587 cc1165-77

1. Paragraph 1 of Pant I of this Schedule does not include expenditure incurred—

  1. (a) in connection with the provision of milk for pupils in attendance at schools maintained by local education authorities or for full-time students under eighteen years in attendance at establishments for further education maintained or assisted by suoh authorities or in receipt of grant from the Minister of Education, or the provision of 1166 milk in pursuance of arrangements made under section seventy-eight of the Education Act, 1944;
  2. (b) in connection with the provision of main mid-day meals for day pupils in attendance at schools maintained by such authorities or the provision of such meals in pursuance of arrangements made under the said section seventy-eight or in pursuance of section eighty-one of that Act;
  3. (c) in the removal of works constructed for the purposes of air-raid precautions or of temporary works constructed for defence purposes by or on behalf of the Secretary of State, the Admiralty or the Minister of Home Security in pursuance of Regulation fifty or fifty-one of the Defence (General) Regulations, 1939, or by agreement, or in the reinstatement of premises so far as it is rendered necessary by any such removal; or
  4. (d) in pursuance of a scheme under section ten of the Employment and Training Act. 1948.

2. Paragraph 3 of Part I of this Schedule does not include expenditure incurred in the performance of functions imposed under section two of the Civil Defence Act. 1948.

3. Paragraph 4 of Part I of this Schedule does not include expenses incurred in the management of approved schools or in respect of children sent to approved schools or in respect of remand homes.

4.—(1) Sub-paragraph (1) (a) of paragraph 5 of Part I of this Schedule does not include expenditure incurred in connection with the acquisition of land for the redevelopment as a whole of areas of extensive war damage, or for the relocation of population or industry, or the replacement of open space, in the course of such redevelopment.

(2) Sub-paragraph (1) (d) of the said paragraph 5 does not include expenditure incurred in connection with the payment of compensation in respect of land acquired by virtue of section nineteen of the Town and Country Planning Act. 1947.

(3) Sub-paragraphs (1) (d) and (e) of the said paragraph 5 do not include the payment of compensation in respect of land of the National Coal Board to which the Fifth Schedule to the said Act of 1947 applies by virtue of regulations under section ninety of that Act, or in connection with the taking of any action under sections twenty-four to twenty-six of that Act in respect of such land of the National Coal Board.

(4) The said sub-paragraphs (1) (d) and (e) do not include expenditure incurred in connection with the payment of compensation under section twenty-six of the said Act of 1947, or the taking of action under that section, in respect of land in a National Park or area of outstanding natural beauty (within the meaning of the National Parks and Access to the Countryside Act, 1949) or any such expenditure as, under subsection (7) of section ninety-seven of the said Act of 1949, is to be treated for the purposes of that section as expenditure under the said section twenty-six and do not include expenditure in connection with the payment of compensation under tree-preservation orders under section twenty-eight of the said Act of 1947 in respect of such land as aforesaid.

(5) The said paragraph 5 does not include expenditure incurred in connection with the acquisition of any building excepted by direction of the Minister as being a building of outstanding historical or architectural interest, or the carrying out of any work of restoration, repair, maintenance or adaptation on or in the case of such a building.

(6) Sub-paragraphs (2) and (3) of the said paragraph 5 shall apply in relation to this paragraph as they apply in relation to that paragraph.

5. Part I of this Schedule does".

This is the Amendment in connection with which the Committee has already agreed to no fewer than nine paving Amendments. As I explained a few minutes ago, it seemed wiser to the Government, in the interests of clarity, to take out and put in a separate part of the First Schedule all the various exclusions from relevant expenditure. I have no doubt that those who will have to study this Bill when it becomes an Act will find it more convenient to find all the exceptions so gathered together and marshalled.

As I think my hon. Friend the Parliamentary Secretary explained on the first of the paving Amendments, there is no substantive change to be made by this re-arrangement, except in two small respects. Those are that paragraph 4 (4) of this Amendment excludes from relevant expenditure, expenditure which attracts specific grant under Section 97 (b) and (c) of the National Parks and Access to the Countryside Act, 1949. Also paragraph 4 (5) of this Amendment excludes expenditure on acquiring and maintaining buildings excepted by the Minister as being buildings of outstanding historical or architectural interest.

The reason for the exclusion in both cases is the limited geographical incidence of the expenditure, and also in the latter case, that the grants are available to others beside local authorities.

Question, That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Schedule, put and negatived.

Question proposed, That the proposed words be there inserted.

Mr. Kenneth Robinson (St. Pancras, North)

I beg to move, as an Amendment to the proposed Amendment, after paragraph 1 to insert: 2. Paragraph 2 of Part I of this Schedule does not include expenses incurred by local health authorities in carrying out their duties under the Lunacy and Mental Treatment Acts, 1890 to 1930, and the Mental Deficiency Acts, 1913 to 1938, in making contributions under subsection (2) of section fifty-one of the National Health Service Act. 1946, and (in relation to mental illness or mental defectiveness) in making or carrying out arrangements or making contributions under section twenty-eight of that Act. The purpose of this Amendment is to exclude from the general grant the expenditure of local health authorities on their mental health services. The case I have to make—due to the time I will make it briefly—is similar to that made by my hon. Friend the Member for Lowestoft (Mr. Edward Evans) in dealing with the welfare services of local authorities.

The powers of local health authorities to undertake mental health services derive to a limited extent from the Lunacy and Mental Treatment Acts, 1890 to 1930, and the Mental Deficiency Acts, 1913 to 1938, but in the main they stem from the National Health Service Act. 1946, and in particular from Section 28 of that Act.

The powers given to them relate to the prevention of illness and the care and after-care of persons suffering from illness and from mental disorder. These powers are only permissive. Section 28 states that local health authorities may make arrangements in connection with the prevention, care or after-care of illness.

The extent to which local health authorities have in the past availed themselves of these powers has varied enormously. The best of them do the job adequately. Probably the London County Council does it as well as anybody. The worst of them hardly do the job at all. The differences in the degrees of enthusiasm shown by local authorities come from a variety of causes, and among these causes the actual cost is one of the most important.

At the moment local health authorities have to meet out of the rate 50 per cent. of the cost of these services. In so far as these services dealing with mental health come under the welfare services, as my hon. Friend said, more often than not the cost to the rates is 100 per cent. The chances of bringing up the standard of the worst authorities even to that of the average would be very slender indeed, unless the cost of these services were excluded from the general grant and were the subject of a direct Government grant. So, even were the position to remain as it is today, I think that the case for excluding the mental health services from this Schedule is overwhelming.

10.30 p.m.

There is another factor which was introduced by the Report of the Royal Commission on the Law relating to Mental Illness and Mental Deficiency, published in May of last year. The whole attitude of the Commission and the recommendations in the Report make an Amendment on these lines, in my view, still more vital. One of the most important recommendations of the Royal Commission was that there should be a general shifting of emphasis in the treatment of the mentally sick and disordered from hospital treatment to community care, and that, generally speaking, the permissive powers which local authorities had had in the past should be made statutory duties.

Community care, obviously, should be the responsibility of the local health authorities, and I think that in that respect the reaction of most people to the Report was one of approval. In any case, this recommendation was accepted in principle by the Home Secretary and debated in the House last June. The whole point about this recommendation is that, if it means anything at all, it means that there must be a very considerable expansion in the mental health services of the local health authorities. The Royal Commission recommends that many of the services provided for patients by the hospital authorities at the moment should be shifted over to the local authorities. For instance, the Commission considers the local authority the appropriate body to provide long-term and short-term residential care for those suffering from mental illness who do not need the kind of specialised medical treatment and nursing care that they would get in a mental hospital.

The Commission also recommended that the local authorities should provide training centres for defectives or severely sub-normal patients, as the new phraseology goes, both adults and children. There is the whole field of after-care of patients who have been discharged from hospital and who still need someone to keep an eye on them and their home circumstances, for the rehabilitation of patients discharged from mental hospitals and the whole sphere of the preventive mental health services which have been almost totally neglected.

All this can mean only one thing, the expenditure of a very considerably increased sum of money on mental health services by the local health authorities. I wish to quote one paragraph from the Report of the Royal Commission—paragraph 609, in page 210: We have felt it right to assume that a fair share of our national resources will be allocated in future to the mental health services both by the central Government and by local authorities, and that it is recognised that in many areas these services have a considerable amount of leeway to make up compared with some other parts of the country's health and welfare services. It may be inevitable that financial considerations will limit the speed at which the necessary improvement of the mental health services can take place, but we trust that even in present conditions this will be given a high priority. If the cost of these services is to be included in the block grant, there is no question of the speed at which the services will be improved; they will not be improved at all. Unless the Government accept the proposals contained in the Amendment and exclude this field from the general grant, and accept the fact that an expansion of the kind desperately needed and long overdue can be made only by a direct grant from the central Government, I maintain that their welcoming and acceptance of the Royal Commission's recommendations are hollow at best and dishonest at worst, because this job cannot be done by the local authorities out of their own resources. This has been agreed by everybody who has commented upon the Royal Commission's Report.

At this moment we are at the beginning of a new deal for mental health, which has long been called the Cinderella of our social services, but this new deal cannot be implemented unless the Government are prepared to spend the money necessary to do the job—and it is no good expecting local authorities to do it out of their own resources. I hope that this plea on behalf of the mental health services will meet with a slightly more constructive and less disappointing reply than that given by the Parliamentary Secretary to my hon. Friend the Member for Lowestoft.

Mr. R. Thompson

The effect of the Amendment moved by the hon. Member for St. Pancras, North (Mr. K. Robinson) would be to exclude, from relevant expenditure taken into account in fixing the total of general grant, expenditure on services relating to mental health and mental deficiency. It was his first point that, having regard to the needs of this expanding service and the recommendations of the Royal Commission, it would be very difficult to finance it adequately unless we relied upon a specific grant, which is not in conformity with the general arrangements under the Bill.

The local authority mental health services provide for the care and after-care of the mentally disordered, and include home visits by mental welfare officers to give help and advice, and the provision of occupation and training. These services form an important part of the local health authority services as a whole, but—and this is important—they are not essentially different from the other services so provided. Indeed, they are sometimes indistinguishable. For example, we could have a case where a health visitor or home nurse had to visit a mental defective as part of his care. For that reason it does not appear to me that there are any reasons which would justify the mental health services being separated from the other local health authority services in the manner which the Amendment would secure. I am sure that the hon. Member, who knows as much about these matters as most hon. Members, would agree with me that all present trends are in the direction of bringing the mental health services as much as possible into line with those for other kinds of patients.

The hon. Gentleman referred to the Royal Commission's Report, which recently recommended a substantial extension of the local authority mental health services, particularly by the provision of training centres and hostels for persons who do not really need full hospital treatment but require a degree of supervision or training which they cannot receive at home.

My right hon. and learned Friend has been discussing with representatives of local authority associations this very financial aspect of the recommendations, and he has made it clear that the Government hope that, subject to the general economic and financial situation, the development of local authority mental health services can and should proceed at an accelerated rate. He has indicated that when the proposed general grant takes effect, expenditure on these services will be taken into consideration on the same basis as the other local authority services.

I want to deal particularly with the point that, in the view of the Royal Commission, there was a good case for some special financial help from the Exchequer to local authorities. That was the burden of the hon. Gentleman's speech. This related only to capital costs. The Commission did not recommend any special arrangements for maintenance expenditure. It had in mind an Exchequer grant higher than the present 50 per cent., but not higher than 75 per cent., on approved capital expenditure within a period of, say, five years. It realised that the introduction of a general grant might make the use of a specific grant inappropriate, although it hoped that some means could be found for providing special assistance.

At the bottom of page 243, the Report says: If the present specific grants for specific services are to be replaced by a general grant, it may be thought inappropriate to provide financial help for the expansion of local authority mental health services by this particular method. We hope, however, that some means can be found of providing such special assistance.

Mr. Mitchison

Read the next sentence.

Mr. Thompson

Certainly, if it will help the hon. and learned Gentleman. The Report goes on to say: As we mentioned in paragraph 558 of Chapter 8, it is most desirable that a start should be made as soon as possible in the expansion of residential and other community mental health services by the local authorities, and some financial incentive may be necessary for that purpose. I was coming on to that part of my remarks which related to the question whether any additional assistance of this kind could be afforded now.

While the Government are unable in the present financial circumstances to do all that the Royal Commission may have had in mind, my right hon. and learned Friend has announced his intention in the immediate future of recommending an issue of loan sanctions for capital work, including the provision of hostels, at a higher level than in recent years. The loan charges will qualify at the present time for specific grants and will be taken into consideration in the general grant.

My right hon. and learned Friend has also indicated the Government's willingness to sell to local authorities for a purely nominal consideration—and in this connection "nominal" means nominal—comparatively small but modern hospital buildings which can be spared for this purpose.

I think I have shown that in the Government's view it should be possible for local authorities to proceed with the admitted requirements for expansion in this service within the context of a general grant, and also with the aid of the matters to which I referred a minute or two ago. In all these circumstances, I do not believe that the Committee should accept the Amendment to the proposed Amendment, because I do not think that the mental health services are so different in character from those of the health services as a whole as to require special treatment of this kind. Therefore, I must advise the Committee to reject the Amendment.

10.45 p.m.

Mr. Mitchison

This is a disgraceful reply. The Royal Commission has clearly shown that some special financial incentive to local authorities is necessary. It has made it perfectly clear that it is in favour of not only a continuation but an expansion of the local authority's part in this very important field. It has also made it perfectly clear that mental health services have this difference or preeminence among other health services, that they are generally recognised, by both experts and others, to be that part of the health services which stands in most need of special help and attention at the moment.

The hon. Gentleman, at the end of a speech which was more ingenious than convincing, finally brought out another of the white rabbits that the Government Ministerial conjurors produce from hats. What was the rabbit? It was, "We are really going to help the mental health services. The mentally defectives, those who are mentally will never suffer at our hands. We are going to sell the local authorities some old hospitals very cheap and allow them to borrow some money." That was what emerged at the end of the day.

As against that, the present subsidy is to be taken away and these people are to have their needs merged in those of a number of other services, no doubt very important ones, but services which are larger in their nature, and they will be left to compete at the hands of local authorities with education, the fire brigade, all the other health services, child care, Part III assistance and the rest. This is the way the Government propose to treat a service which they themselves recognise to have special needs and special importance at the moment. I can only say that that is an immolation of the mental health services on the Government's precious altar of the block grant, and we shall, of course, vote against it.

Question put, That those words be there inserted in the proposed Amendment:—

The Committee divided: Ayes 138, Noes 182.

Division No. 114.] AYES [10.49 p.m.
Ainsley, J. W. Griffiths, David (Rother Valley) Pargiter, G. A.
Albu, A. H. Griffiths, Rt. Hon. James (Llanelly) Parker, J.
Awbery, S. S. Hall, Rt. Hn. Glenvil (Colne Valley) Pearson, A.
Bacon, Miss Alice Hannan, W. Pentland, N.
Bellenger, Rt. Hon. F. J. Harrison J. (Nottingham, N.) Popplewell, E.
Bence, C. R. (Dunbartonshire, E.) Hayman, F. H. Prentice, R. E.
Benson, Sir George Hewitson, Capt. M. Price, Philips (Gloucestershire, W.)
Beswick, Frank Hobson, C. R. (Keighley) Probert, A. R.
Blackburn, F. Howell, Charles (Perry Barr) Proctor, W. T.
Boardman, H. Hoy, J. H. Randall, H. E.
Bottomley, Rt. Hon. A. G. Hughes, Cledwyn (Anglesey) Redhead, E. C.
Bowden, H. W. (Leicester, S.W.) Hughes, Emrys (S. Ayrshire) Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Bowen, E. R. (Cardigan) Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.) Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvon)
Bowles, F. G. Hunter, A. E. Robinson, Kenneth (St. Pancras, N.)
Brockway, A. F. Hynd, J. B. (Attercliffe) Rogers, George (Kensington, N.)
Brown, Rt. Hon. George (Belper) Irving, Sydney (Dartford) Ross, William
Brown, Thomas (Ince) Jeger, George (Goole) Short, E. W.
Burton, Miss F. E. Jenkins, Roy (Stechford) Silverman, Julius (Aston)
Butler, Mrs. Joyce (Wood Green) Johnson, James (Rugby) Slater, Mrs. H. (Stoke, N.)
Chetwynd, G. R. Jones, Rt. Hon. A. Creech (Wakefield) Slater, J. (Sedgefield)
Coldrick, W. Jones, David (The Hartlepools) Sorensen, R. W.
Collick, P. H. (Birkenhead) Jones, Elwyn (W. Ham, S.) Soskice, Rt. Hon. Sir Frank
Collins, V. J.(Shoreditch & Finsbury) Jones, Jack (Rotherham) Sparks, J. A.
Corbet, Mrs. Freda Jones, J. Idwal (Wrexham) Steele, T.
Craddock, George (Bradford, S.) Jones, T. W. (Merioneth) Stewart, Michael (Fulham)
Cronin, J. D. King, Dr. H. M. Stonehouse, John
Crossman, R, H. S. Lawson, G. M. Stones, W. (Consett)
Cullen, Mrs. A. Lee, Frederick (Newton) Stross,Dr.Barnett(Stoke-on-Trent,C.)
Deer, G. Lewis, Arthur Sylvester, G. O.
de Freitas, Geoffrey Logan, D. G. Taylor, Bernard (Mansfield)
Delargy, H. J. McAlister, Mrs. Mary Thomas, George (Cardiff)
Diamond, John McGhee, H. G. Thornton, E.
Donnelly, D. L. McKay, John (Wallsan[...]) Timmons, J.
Dye, S. MacPherson, Malcolm (Stirling) Watkins, T. E.
Ede, Rt. Hon. J. C. Mahon, Simon Weitzman, D.
Edwards, Rt. Hon. John (Brighouse) Mallalieu, E. L. (Brigg) Wells, William (Walsall, N.)
Edwards, Robert (Bilston) Mann, Mrs. Jean West, D. G.
Edwards, W. J. (Stepney) Marquand, Rt. Hon. H. A. Wheeldon, W. E.
Evans, Edward (Lowestoft) Mitchison, G. R. Willey, Frederick
Finch, H. J. Moody, A. S. Willis, Eustace (Edinburgh, E)
Fletcher, Eric Morris, Percy (Swansea, W.) Winterbottom, Richard
Forman, J. C. Moyle, A. Woodburn, Rt. Hon. A.
Fraser, Thomas (Hamilton) Mulley, F. W. Woof, R. E.
Gibson, C. W. O'Brien, Sir Thomas Yates, V. (Ladywood)
Gordon Walker, Rt. Hon. P. C. Padley, W. E.
Grenfell, Rt. Hon. D. R. Paling, Rt. Hon. W.(Dearne Valley) TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Grey. C. F. Palmer, A. M. F. Mr. J. T. Price and Mr. Simmons.
Agnew, Sir Peter Corfield, Capt. F. V. Graham, Sir Fergus
Aitken, W. T. Craddock, Beresford (Spelthorne) Grant-Ferris, Wg Cdr. R. (Nantwich)
Aiport, C. J. M. Crosthwaite-Eyre, Col. O. E. Green, A.
Arbuthnot, John Cunningham, Knox Grimston, Hon. John (S. Albans)
Armstrong, C. W. Dance, J. C. G. Grimston, Sir Robert (Westbury)
Atkins, H. E. Davidson, Viscountess Gurden, Harold
Baldwin, A. E. D'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir Henry Hall, John (Wycombe)
Balniel, Lord Deedes, W. F. Harris, Frederic (Croydon, N.W.)
Barter, John Digby, Simon Wingfield Harris, Reader (Heston)
Bell, Philip (Bolton, E.) Doughty, C. J. A. Harrison, Col. J. H. (Eye)
Bennett, F. M. (Torquay) du Cann, E. D. L. Harvey, Sir Arthur Vere (Macclesf'd)
Bevins, J. R. (Toxteth) Duthie, W. S. Harvey, John (Walthamstow, E.)
Bidgood, J. C. Eden, J. B. (Bournemouth, West) Heald, Rt. Hon. Sir Lionel
Bingham, R. M. Elliott, R. W.(Ne'castleuponTyne,N.) Heath, Rt. Hon. E. R. G.
Birch, Rt. Hon. Nigel Errington, Sir Eric Hill, Rt. Hon. Charles (Luton)
Bishop, F. P. Farey-Jones, F. W. Hill, Mrs. E. (Wythenshawe)
Body, R. F. Finlay, Graeme Holland-Martin, C. J.
Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hon. J. A. Fletcher-Cooke, C. Hope, Lord John
Boyle, Sir Edward Fraser, Hon. Hugh (Stone) Hornby, R. P.
Brooke, Rt. Hon. Henry Freeth, Denzil Horobin, Sir Ian
Brooman-White, R. C. Gammans, Lady Horsbrugh, Rt. Hon. Dame Florence
Butcher, Sir Herbert George, J. C. (Pollok) Howard, Gerald (Cambridgeshire)
Butler, Rt. Hn. R. A. (Saffron Walden) Gibson-Watt, D. Howard, Hon. Greville (St. Ives)
Carr, Robert Glover, D. Howard, John (Test)
Cary, Sir Robert Glyn, Col. Richard H. Hughes Hallett, Vice-Admiral J.
Channon, Sir Henry Godber, J. B. Hurd, A. R.
Conant, Maj. Sir Roger Goodhart, Philip Hutchison, Michael Clark (E'b'gh, S.)
Cooke, Robert Gough, C. F. H. Hylton-Foster, Rt. Hon. Sir Harry
Cooper, A. E. Godber, J. B. Hurd, A. R.
Cordeaux, Lt.-Col. J. K. Gower, H. R. Ire[...]onger, T. L.
Jenkins, Robert (Dulwich) Medlicott, Sir Frank Sharples, R. C.
Johnson, Dr. Donald (Carlisle) Milligan, Rt. Hon. W. R. Smithers, Peter (Winchester)
Jones, Rt. Hon. Aubrey (Hall Green) Molson, Rt. Hon. Hugh Soames, Rt. Hon. Christopher
Joseph, Sir Keith Morrison, John (Salisbury) Spearman, Sir Alexander
Joynson-Hicks, Hon. Sir Lancelot Nabarro C. D. N. Stanley, Capt. Hon. Richard
Kaberry, D. Nairn, D. L. S. Stevens, Geoffrey
Keegan, D. Neave, Airey Steward, Harold (Stockport, S.)
Kimball, M. Nicolson, N. (B'n'm'th, E. & Chr'ch) Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir Malcolm
Kirk, P. M. Nugent, G. R. H. Stuart, Rt. Hon. James (Moray)
Legge-Bourke, Maj. E. A. H. O'Neill, Hn. Phelim(Co. Antrim, N.) Studholme, Sir Henry
Legh, Hon. Peter (Petersfieid) Orr, Capt. L. P. S. Summers, Sir Spencer
Lindsay, Hon. James (Devon, N.) Orr-Ewing, Charles Ian(Hendon, N.) Taylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne)
Linstead, Sir H. N. Page, R. G. Taylor, William (Bradford, N.)
Lloyd, Maj. Sir Guy (Renfrew, E.) Pannell, N. A. (Kirkdale) Thompson, Kenneth (Walton)
Low, Rt. Hon. Sir Toby Partridge, E. Thompson, R. (Croydon, S.)
Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Peel, W. J. Thorneycroft, Rt. Hon. P.
McAdden, S. J. Peyton, J. W. W. Thornton-Kemsley, Sir Colin
Macdonald, Sir Peter Pike, Miss Mervyn Tiley, A. (Bradford, W.)
McKibbin, Alan Pitman, I. J. Turton, Rt. Hon. R. H.
Mackie, J. H. (Galloway) Pitt, Miss E. M. Tweedsmuir, Lady
McLaughlin, Mrs. P. Powell, J. Enoch Vickers, Miss Joan
Maclean, Sir Fitzroy (Lancaster) Price, David (Eastleigh) Wakefield, Edward (Derbyshire, W.)
MacLeod, John (Ross & Cromarly) Prior-Palmer, Brig. O. L. Wall, Patrick
Macmillan, Rt. Hn. Harold (Bromley) Ramsden, J. E. Ward, Dame Irene (Tynemouth)
Macmillan, Maurice (Halifax) Rawlinson, Peter Whitelaw, W. S. I.
Maddan, Martin Redmayne, M. Williams, R. Dudley (Exeter)
Maitland, Cdr. J. F. W. (Horncastle) Rippon, A. G. F. Wills, G. (Bridgwater)
Marlowe, A. A. H. Roberts, Sir Peter (Heeley) Yates, William (The Wrekin)
Marshall, Douglas Robinson, Sir Roland (Blackpool, S.) Yates, William (The Wrekin)
Mathew, R. Rodgers, John (Sevenoaks)
Maudling, Rt. Hon. R. Roper, Sir Harold TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Mawby, R. L. Ropner, Col. Sir Leonard Mr. Bryan and Mr. Chichester-Clark.
Maydon, Lt.-Comdr. S. L. C. Scott-Miller, Cmdr. R.
Question again proposed, That the proposed words be there inserted.
To report Progress and ask leave to sit again.—[Mr. H. Brooke.]
Committee report Progress; to sit again Tomorrow.