HC Deb 12 March 1957 vol 566 cc961-3
19. Mr. Dodds

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what consideration was given to the problem of living space for gipsies during his discussions with the local authority associations in November, 1956; and what action is to be taken to protect their interests, in view of the increasing difficulty of finding lawful camping sites.

Mr. H. Brooke

At these discussions no information emerged to suggest that there is a problem here requiring a general investigation, though local difficulties may arise from time to time. If the hon. Member has a particular case in mind, I hope he will let me have details.

Mr. Dodds

When will the Government obtain their own information to show that the hounding of gipsies must stop—and stop soon? Is he not aware that it cannot be solved by local authorities, who are subject to local pressure? Will he not study what has happened in other European countries, where the Governments have solved this minority problem with great credit? Is he aware that last week I saw gipsies who have paid more in fines than they would have to pay for proper camping grounds, if they were available?

Mr. Brooke

When the hon. Member speaks of gipsies, I do not know whether he has in mind Romanies or didikais and the rest.

Mr. Dodds

I said gipsies, not didikais.

Mr. Brooke

As the hon. Member knows, there are different categories. If he is aware of particular local difficulties, I shall be most grateful if he will bring them to my attention. I know that some time ago he brought to my attention a report of the manner in which Slovak gipsies were being integrated into normal Czechoslovak life, but I do not think that that sort of inquiry has great value in this country.

Mr. Awbery

Is the Minister aware that these people have been harassed, prosecuted and persecuted by a large number of local authorities throughout the country? By the Answer which he has given he has proved that there is a problem for these people. Will not he examine the position again with a view to finding a solution to it?

Mr. Brooke

I will most willingly look into any local case of difficulty which is sent to me.

Mr. Dodds

On a point of order. Owing to the unsatisfactory nature of the Answer, I give notice that I shall raise the matter on the Adjournment and give notice to the next Labour Government that this problem must be solved.