HC Deb 11 July 1956 vol 556 cc544-5

Motion made, and Question proposed, That the Clause stand part of the Bill.

Mr. Willis

This Clause again raises the same point. We ought to have an explanation from the Minister of State of the meaning of subsection (3), which states that (3) The Treasury may by order direct that the last foregoing subsection shall have effect as if for the reference to four thousand five hundred pounds there were substituted a reference to such other sum as may be specified in the order. The Clause does not say so, but I take is that the purpose is to make it possible to increase the gratuity payable. We are bound to ask whether the gratuity should be increased at present. A sum of £4,500 is a very substantial amount of money to be received as a gratuity by a personal representative on the death of a Governor. There are a great many cases where people would like to receive one-tenth of that sum. The hon. Gentleman should tell us whether the purpose of the Clause is to increase the sum and, if so, why it is necessary to do so at present.

Mr. Emrys Hughes

The Minister should give us more details before we sanction these very generous gratuities. Could he give a concrete example, without mentioning names, showing exactly how this works out? Is the gratuity of £4,000 or £5,000 given without any means test or inquiry? If there is an inquiry, what form does it take? What conditions are fulfilled before a gratuity is granted?

Mr. Hare

The Clause empowers the Treasury to make a gratuity to the personal representatives of a Governor who dies in office, or immediately before his appointment if he is serving in the Home or Overseas Civil Service. The sum of £4,500 is a maximum under the Bill. It is difficult to give a particular example, as the hon. Member for South Ayrshire (Mr. Emrys Hughes) requested, but I do not think that to provide £4,500 is extravagant in view of the services which these men give. I hope, therefore, that the Committee will accept the Clause.

Mr. Willis

Subsection (3) authorises an increase on the £4,500. Surely the intention is to increase the sum, not to reduce it.

Mr. Hare

It can be increased by Treasury order.

Mr. Hughes

Is there any means test or inquiry?

Mr. Hare

All the relevant circumstances of the Governor concerned are taken into consideration.

Clause ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clauses 6 to 8 ordered to stand part of the Bill.