§ 34. Mr. Loganasked the Chancellor of the Exchequer the total amount of the grants and subsidies paid to Northern Ireland for the year ended 31st March, 1953, under the headings of calf-rearing, grassland fertiliser, hill-farm improvement, hill cattle and sheep subsidy, ploughed-up grassland, phosphatic fertilisers and lime subsidies, respectively.
§ Mr. Boyd-CarpenterAs the answer involves giving a number of figures, I will, with permission, circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.
§ Mr. LoganAre we getting value for our money? Is an inquiry needed into the financial position between the two countries?
§ Mr. Boyd-CarpenterThat supplementary question arises more generally on the next Question in the hon. Member's name.
§ Mr. J. HudsonDo the figures include sums of considerable millions?
§ Mr. HardenIs my hon. Friend aware that exports of agricultural produce from Northern Ireland to Great Britain in the year ending December, 1952, totalled £43¼ million?
Following is the answer:The accounts for the year ended 31st March, 1953, are not yet complete; but the following are the amounts so far recorded as paid in that year to farmers in Northern Ireland:
£ Calf-rearing … 534,577 Crassland Fertilisers … 10,430 Hill-farm Improvements … 13,414 Hill Cattle … 134,452 Hill Sheep … 20,999 Ploughed-up Grassland … 637,511 General Fertilisers … 662,441 Lime … 235,409
§ 35. Mr. Loganasked the Chancellor of the Exchequer the payments received in 1952–53 period by the Northern Ireland Government under the Social Services Agreement Act, 1949, as well as the parity adjustments in favour of the National Insurance Fund for 1952–53 under the National Insurance Act, 1946.
§ Mr. Boyd-CarpenterPayment on account to the Northern Ireland Exchequer during 1952–53 under the Social Services (Agreement) Act, 1949, amounted to £4,300,000. The amount due for 1952–53 under Section 63 (2) (A) of the National Insurance Act, 1946, has yet to be determined but payments are made on account.
§ Mr. LoganAm I to understand that about £10 million is being paid in subsidy? As there has been no statement to the House about what we furnish to Northern Ireland, and in justice to our taxpayers on whom there is a heavy demand, is it not time that we ascertained the financial position of Northern Ireland and its obligations to this country?
§ Mr. Boyd-CarpenterThe amount in respect of subsidies is nothing like the 197 figure which the hon. Gentleman mentioned. Social service payments are automatically assessed on certain formulae embodied in legislation which, as it so happens, was enacted by the party oppposite.
§ Mr. HealyDo not the total subsidies paid to Northern Ireland amount to more than twice as much as their Imperial contribution? Is this not, in effect, a repeal of the Government of Ireland Act, 1920, and is it not subsidising the partition of Ireland?
§ Mr. Boyd-CarpenterI do not accept any of the assumptions made by the hon. Gentleman. All these payments are made under agreements which were carefully considered at the time and are part and parcel of the general, and generally satisfactory, arrangements between these two parts of the United Kingdom.
§ Sir D. CampbellDoes not my hon. Friend agree that all citizens in the United Kingdom should enjoy the same standard of social services and that the agreements in question merely ensure the implementation of that principle?
§ Mr. Boyd-CarpenterAs I understand it, that was the purpose of the two Acts of Parliament to which I referred in my original answer.