HC Deb 27 November 1952 vol 508 cc755-61

Considered in Committee under Standing Order No. 84 (Money Committees) [Queen's Recommendation signified.]

[Sir CHARLES MACANDREW in the Chair]

Motion made, and Question proposed, That, for the purposes of any Act of the present Session to repeal the Iron and Steel Act, 1949, and to dissolve the Iron and Steel Corporation of Great Britain; to establish an Iron and Steel Board for the supervision of the iron and steel industry and to define the functions of that Board, and to make other provision as to the said industry; to provide for the return of iron and steel undertakings to private ownership and for the disposal of the property, rights, liabilities and obligations of the said Coporation, it is expedient to authorise—

  1. (a) the issue out of the Consolidated Fund of such sums as may be required to fulfil any guarantee by the Treasury of the repayment of and the payment of interest on any money temporarily borrowed by the Iron and Steel Board established by the said Act of the present Session (hereinafter referred to as "the Act"), so however that the amount outstanding in respect of the principal of the loans so guaranteed does not at any time exceed one million pounds;
  2. (b) the issue out of the Consolidated Fund of such sums as may be required to be so issued in consequence of any provision of the Act by which liabilities in respect of British Iron and Steel Three and a half per cent. Guaranteed Stock, 1979–1981, are transferred to the Treasury and the said stock is deemed to have been created and issued under the National Loans Act, 1939, and the raising of any money required to be raised under the said Act in consequence of any such provision;
  3. (c) the issue out of the Consolidated Fund into the Iron and Steel Realisation Account established by the Act of sums not exceeding in the aggregate one hundred and fifty million pounds, and, for the purpose of providing sums to be so issued or replacing sums so issued, the raising of money under the National Loans Act, 1939;
  4. (d) the issue out of the Consolidated Fund, and the application in redeeming or paying off debt, of any sums paid into the Exchequer out of the said Account under paragraph (f) (iii) hereof;

(e) the payment out of moneys provided by Parliament of—

  1. (i) any sums falling to be paid by the Minister of Supply in respect of the provision, acquisition, taking on lease or use of production facilities within the meaning of the Act;
  2. (ii) any sums falling to be paid by the Minister of Labour and National Service in respect of fees or allowances to any referee or board of referees appointed under the Act to determine appeals in respect of compensation or allowances to persons giving evidence before any such referee or board;
  3. (iii) any sums required to be paid out of moneys so provided for the purposes of any order dissolving or winding up the affairs of the Iron and Steel Holding and Realisation Agency established by the Act;
  4. (iv) any administrative expenses incurred under the Act by the Minister of Supply or the Treasury including sums in respect of the cost to the said Board of acting as agent for the Minister of Supply;

(f) the payment into the Exchequer—

  1. (i) of any sums received by any Minister of the Crown under or in consequence of any provision of the Act;
  2. (ii) out of the Iron and Steel Realisation Account of the amount of any excess of the receipts of the said Agency properly creditable to revenue account for any financial year over the outgoings properly chargeable to revenue account for that year;
  3. (iii) of any moneys standing to the credit of the Iron and Steel Realisation Account which are not required for the making of other issues or payments out of the said Account.—[Mr. Boyd-Carpenter.]

10.11 p.m.

Mr. G. R. Strauss

We are, of course, opposed to this Financial Resolution because we are opposed to the Bill, and this Financial Resolution arises out of the Bill. However, in view of the large amount of business that will be before the House this evening, we do not propose to discuss it in detail on this occasion, but to vote against it.

Question put.

The Committee divided: Ayes, 303; Noes, 267.

Division No. 22.] AYES [10.12 p.m.
Aitken, W. T. Assheton, Rt. Hon. R. (Blackburn, W.) Baxter, A. B.
Allan, R. A. (Paddington, S.) Astor, Hon. J. J. Beach, Maj. Hicks
Alport, C. J. M. Baldock, Lt.-Comdr. J. M. Beamish, Maj. Tufton
Amery, Julian (Preston, N.) Baldwin, A. E. Bell, Ronald (Bucks, S.)
Amory, Heathcoat (Tiverton) Banks, Col. C. Bennett, F. M. (Reading, N.)
Arbuthnot, John Barber, Anthony Bennett, Sir Peter (Edgbaston)
Ashton, H. (Chelmsford) Barlow, Sir John Bennett, Dr. Reginald (Gosport)
Bennett, William (Woodside) Grimston, Hon. John (St. Albans) Maitland, Patrick (Lanark)
Bevins, J. R. (Toxteth) Grimston, Sir Robert (Westbury) Manningham-Buller, Sir R. E.
Birch, Nigel Hall, John (Wycombe) Marlowe, A. A. H.
Bishop, F. P. Harden, J. R. E. Marples, A. E.
Black, C. W. Hare, Hon. J. H. Marshall, Douglas (Bodmin)
Boothby, R. J. G. Harris, Frederic (Croydon, N.) Marshall, Sir Sidney (Sutton)
Bossom, A. C. Harris, Reader (Heston) Maude, Angus
Bowen, E. R. Harrison, Col. J. H. (Eye) Maudling, R.
Boyd-Carpenter, J. A. Harvey, Air Cdre. A. V. (Macclesfield) Maydon, Lt.-Comdr. S. L. C.
Boyle, Sir Edward Harvey, Ian (Harrow, E.) Medlicott, Brig. F.
Braine, B. R. Harvie-Watt, Sir George Mellor, Sir John
Braithwaite, Sir Albert (Harrow, W.) Hay, John Molson, A. H. E.
Braithwaite, Lt.-Cdr. G. (Bristol, N. W.) Head, Rt. Hon. A. H. Monckton, Rt. Hon. Sir Walter
Bromley Davenport, Lt.-Col. W. H. Heald, Sir Lionel Morrison, John (Salisbury)
Brooke, Henry (Hampstead) Heath, Edward Mott-Radclyffe, C. E.
Brooman-White, R. C. Henderson, John (Cathcart) Nabarro, G. D. N.
Browne, Jack (Govan) Higgs, J. M. C. Nicholls, Harmar
Bullard, D. G. Hill, Dr. Charles (Luton) Nicholson, Godfrey (Farnham)
Bullock, Capt. M. Hill, Mrs. E. (Wythenshawe) Nicolson, Nigel (Bournemouth, E.)
Bullus, Wing Commander E. E. Hinchingbrooke, Viscount Nield, Basil (Chester)
Burden, F. F. A. Hirst, Geoffrey Noble, Cmdr. A. H. P.
Butler, Rt. Hon. R. A. (Saffron Walden) Holland-Martin, C. J. Nugent, G. R. H.
Campbell, Sir David Hollis, M. C. Nutting, Anthony
Carr, Robert (Mitcham) Holmes, Sir Stanley (Harwich) Oakshott, H. D.
Carson, Hon. E. Holt, A. F. Odey, G. W.
Carey, Sir Robert Hope, Lord John O'Neill, Phelim (Co. Antrim, N.)
Channon, H. Hopkinson, Rt. Hon. Henry Ormsby-Gore, Hon. W. D.
Churchill, Rt. Hon. W. S. Hornsby-Smith, Miss M. P. Orr, Capt. L. P. S.
Clarke, Col. Ralph (East Grinstead) Horobin, I. M. Orr-Ewing, Charles Ian (Hendon, N.)
Clarke, Brig. Terence (Portsmouth, W.) Horsbrugh, Rt. Hon. Florence Orr-Ewing, Ian L. (Weston-super-Mare)
Cole, Norman Howard, Gerald (Cambridgeshire) Osborne, C.
Colegate, W. A. Howard, Greville (St. Ives) Partridge, E.
Conant, Maj. R. J. E. Hudson, Sir Austin (Lewisham, N.) Peake, Rt. Hon. O.
Cooper, Sqn. Ldr. Albert Hudson, W. R. A. (Hull, N.) Perkins, W. R. D.
Cooper-Key, E. M. Hulbert, Wing Cdr. N. J. Peto, Brig. C. H. M.
Craddock, Beresford (Spelthorne) Hurd, A. R. Peyton, J. W. W.
Cranborne, Viscount Hutchinson, Sir Geoffrey (Ilford, N.) Pickthorn, K. W. M.
Crookshank, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. F. C. Hutchison, Lt.-Com. Clark (E'b'rgh W.) Pitman, I. J.
Crosthwaite-Eyre, Col. O. E. Hutchison, James (Scotstoun) Powell, J. Enoch
Crouch, R. F. Hyde, Lt.-Col. H. M. Price, Henry (Lewisham, W.)
Crowder, Sir John (Finchley) Hylton-Foster, H. B. H. Prior-Palmer, Brig. O. L.
Crowder, Petre (Ruislip—Northwood) Jenkins, Robert (Dulwich) Profumo, J. D.
Cuthbert, W. N. Jennings, R. Raikes, H. V.
Darling, Sir William (Edinburgh, S.) Johnson, Eric (Blackley) Rayner, Brig. R.
Davidson, Viscountess Johnson, Howard (Kemptown) Redmayne, M.
Davies, Rt. Hn. Clement (Montgomery) Jones, A. (Hall Green) Remnant, Hon. P.
De la Bère, Sir Rupert Joynson-Hicks, Hon. L. W. Renton, D. L. M.
Deedes, W. F. Kaberry, D. Roberts, Peter (Heeley)
Dodds-Parker, A. D. Keeling, Sir Edward Robertson, Sir David
Donaldson, Cmdr. C. E. McA. Kerr, H. W. (Cambridge) Robinson, Roland (Blackpool, S.)
Donner, P. W. Lambert, Hon. G. Robson-Brown, W.
Doughty, C. J. A. Lambton, Viscount Rodgers, John (Sevenoaks)
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord Malcolm Lancaster, Col. C. G. Roper, Sir Harold
Drayson, G. B. Langford-Holt, J. A. Ropner, Col. Sir Leonard
Drewe, G. Law, Rt. Hon. R. K. Russell, R. S.
Dugdale, Rt. Hn. Sir Thomas (Richmond) Leather, E. H. C. Ryder, Capt. R. E. D.
Duncan, Capt. J. A. L. Legge-Bourke, Maj. E. A. H. Salter, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur
Duthie, W. S. Legh, P. R. (Petersfield) Sandys, Rt. Hon. D.
Eccles, Rt. Hon. D. M. Lennox-Boyd, Rt. Hon. A. T. Savory, Prof Sir Douglas
Eden, Rt. Hon. A. Lindsay, Martin Schofield, Lt.-Col. W. (Rochdale)
Elliot, Rt. Hon. W. E. Linstead, H. N. Scott, R. Donald
Erroll, F. J. Llewellyn, D. T. Scott-Miller, Cmdr. R.
Fell, A. Lloyd, Rt. Hon. G. (King's Norton) Shepherd, William
Finlay, Graeme
Fisher, Nigel Lloyd, Maj. Guy (Renfrew, E.) Simon, J. E. S. (Middlesbrough, W.)
Fleetwood-Hesketh, R. F. Lockwood, Lt.-Col. J. C. Smithers, Peter (Winchester)
Fletcher-Cooke, C. Longden, Gilbert Smithers, Sir Waldron (Orpington)
Fort, R. Low, A. R. W. Smyth, Brig. J. G. (Norwood)
Foster, John Lucas, Sir Jocelyn (Portsmouth, S.) Snadden, W. McN.
Fraser, Hon. Hugh (Stone) Lucas, P. B. (Brentford) Soames, Capt. C.
Fraser, Sir Ian (Morecambe & Lonsdale) Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Spearman, A. C. M.
Fyfe, Rt. Hon. Sir David Maxwell Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. O. Speir, R. M.
Galbraith, Cmdr. T. D. (Pollok) McAdden, S. J. Spens, Sir Patrick (Kensington, S.)
Galbraith, T. G. D. (Hillhead) McCallum, Major D. Stanley, Capt. Hon. Richard
Gammans, L. D. McCorquodale, Rt. Hon. M. S. Stevens, G. P.
Garner-Evans, E. H. Macdonald, Sir Peter (I. of Wight) Steward, W. A. (Woolwich, W.)
George, Rt. Hon. Maj. G. Lloyd Mackeson, Brig. H. R. Stoddart-Scott, Col. M.
Glyn, Sir Ralph McKibbin, A. J. Storey, S.
Godber, J. B. McKie, J. H. (Galloway) Strauss, Henry (Norwich, S.)
Gomme-Duncan, Col. A. Maclay, Rt. Hon. John Stuart, Rt. Hon. James (Moray)
Gough, C. F. H. Maclean, Fitzroy Studholme, H. G.
Gower, H. R. Macleod, Rt. Hon. Iain (Enfield, W.) Summers, G. S.
Graham, Sir Fergus Macmillan, Rt. Hon. Harold (Bromley) Sutcliffe, H.
Gridley, Sir Arnold Macpherson, Maj. Niall (Dumfries) Taylor, Charles (Eastbourne)
Grimond, J. Maitland, Comdr. J. F. W. (Horncastle) Taylor, William (Bradford, N.)
Teeling, W. Vaughan Morgan, J. K. Williams, Gerald (Tonbridge)
Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. P. L. (Hereford) Vosper, D. F. Williams, Sir Herbert (Croydon, E.)
Thomas, P. J. M. (Conway) Wakefield, Edward (Derbyshire, W.) Williams, R. Dudley (Exeter)
Thompson, Kenneth (Walton) Wakefield, Sir Wavell (Marylebone) Wills, G.
Thompson, Lt.-Cdr. R. (Croydon, W.) Walker-Smith, D. C. Wilson, Geoffrey (Truro)
Tilney, John Ward, Miss I. (Tynemouth) Wood, Hon. R.
Touche, Sir Gordon Waterhouse, Capt. Rt. Hon. C. York, C.
Turner, H. F. L. Watkinson, H. A.
Turton, R. H. Webbe, Sir H. (London & Westminster) TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Tweedsmuir, Lady White, Baker (Canterbury) Mr. Buchan-Hepburn and
Vane, W. M. F. Williams, Rt. Hon. Charles (Torquay) Mr. Butcher.
Acland, Sir Richard Evans, Stanley (Wednesbury) Logan, D. G.
Adams, Richard Ewart, R. MacColl, J. E.
Albu, A. H. Fernyhough, E. McGhee, H. G.
Allen, Arthur (Bosworth) Field, W. J. McInnes, J.
Allen, Scholefield (Crewe) Fienburgh, W. McKay, John (Wallsend)
Anderson, Alexander (Motherwell) Finch, H. J. McLeavy, F.
Anderson, Frank (Whitehaven) Follick, M. MacMillan, M. K. (Western Isles)
Attlee, Rt. Hon. C. R. Foot, M. M. MacPherson, Malcolm (Stirling)
Awbery, S. S. Forman, J. C. Mainwaring, W. H.
Bacon, Miss Alice Fraser, Thomas (Hamilton) Mallalieu, E. L. (Brigg)
Baird, J. Freeman, John (Watford) Mallalieu, J. P. W. (Huddersfield, E.)
Balfour, A. Freeman, Peter (Newport) Mann, Mrs. Jean
Barnes, Rt. Hon. A. J. Gaitskell, Rt. Hon. H. T. N. Manuel, A. C.
Bellenger, Rt. Hon. F. J. Gibson, C. W. Marquand, Rt. Hon. H. A.
Bence, C. R. Glanville James Mayhew, C. P.
Benn, Wedgwood Gooch, E. G. Mellish, R. J.
Benson, G. Gordon-Walker, Rt. Hon. P. C. Mikardo, Ian
Beswick, F. Greenwood, Anthony (Rossendale) Mitchison, G. R.
Bevan, Rt. Hon. A. (Ebbw Vale) Greenwood, Rt. Hn. Arthur (Wakefield) Monslow, W.
Bing, G. H. C. Grenfell, Rt. Hon. D. R. Moody, A. S.
Blackburn, F. Grey, C. F. Morgan, Dr. H. B. W.
Blenkinsop, A. Griffiths, David (Rother Valley) Morley, R.
Blyton, W. R. Griffiths, Rt. Hon. James (Llanelly) Morris, Percy (Swansea, W.)
Boardman, H. Griffiths, William (Exchange) Morrison, Rt. Hon. H. (Lewisham, S.)
Bottomley, Rt. Hon. A. G. Hale, Leslie (Oldham, W.) Mort, D. L.
Bowden, H. W. Hall, Rt. Hon. Glenvil (Colne Valley) Moyle, A.
Bowles, F. G. Hall, John (Gateshead, W.) Mulley, F. W.
Braddock, Mrs. Elizabeth Hamilton, W. W. Murray, J. D.
Brockway, A. F. Hannan, W. Nally, W.
Broughton, Dr. A. D. D. Hardy, E. A. Neal, Harold (Bolsover)
Brown, Rt. Hon. George (Belper) Hargreaves, A. Noel-Baker, Rt. Hon. P. J.
Brown, Thomas (Ince) Harrison, J. (Nottingham, E.) O'Brien, T.
Burke, W. A. Hastings, S. Oldfield, W. H.
Burton, Miss F. E. Healey, Denis (Leeds, S. E.) Oliver, G. H.
Butler, Herbert (Hackney, S.) Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Rowley Regis) Orbach, M.
Callaghan, L. J. Herbison, Miss M. Oswald, T.
Carmichael, J. Hewitson, Capt. M. Padley, W. E.
Castle, Mrs. B. A. Hobson, C. R. Paling, Rt. Hon. W. (Dearne Valley)
Champion, A. J. Holman, P. Paling, Will T. (Dewsbury)
Chapman, W. D. Holmes, Horace (Hemsworth) Palmer, A. M. F.
Chetwynd, G. R. Houghton, Douglas Pannell, Charles
Clunie, J. Hubbard, T. F. Pargiter, G. A.
Coldrick, W. Hudson, James (Ealing, N.) Parker, J.
Collick, P. H. Hughes, Cledwyn (Anglesey) Pearson, A.
Corbet, Mrs. Freda Hughes, Emrys (S. Ayrshire) Plummer, Sir Leslie
Cove, W. G. Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.) Poole, C. C.
Craddock, George (Bradford, S.) Hynd, H. (Accrington) Popplewell, E.
Crosland, C. A. R. Hynd, J. B. (Attercliffe) Porter, G.
Crossman, R. H. S. Irvine, A. J. (Edge Hill) Price, Joseph T. (Westhoughton)
Cullen, Mrs. A. Irving, W. J. (Wood Green) Price, Philips (Gloucestershire, W.)
Daines, P. Isaacs, Rt. Hon. G. A. Proctor, W. T.
Dalton, Rt. Hon. H. Jay, Rt. Hon. D. P. T. Pursey, Cmdr. H.
Darling, George (Hillsborough) Jeger, George (Goole) Rankin, John
Davies, A. Edward (Stoke, N.) Jeger, Dr. Santo (St. Pancras, S.) Reeves, J.
Davies, Ernest (Enfield, E.) Johnson, James (Rugby) Reid, Thomas (Swindon)
Davies, Harold (Leek) Jones, David (Hartlepool) Reid, William (Camlachie)
Davies, Stephen (Merthyr) Jones, Frederick Elwyn (West Ham, S.) Rhodes, H.
de Freitas, Geoffrey Jones, Jack (Rotherham) Roberts, Rt. Hon. A.
Deer, G. Jones, T. W. (Merioneth) Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Delargy, H. J. Keenan, W. Rogers, George (Kensington, N)
Dodds, N. N. Kenyon, C. Ross, William
Donnelly, D. L. Key, Rt. Hon. C. W. Schofield, S. (Barnsley)
Driberg, T. E. N. King, Dr. H. M. Shackleton, E. A. A.
Dugdale, Rt. Hon. John (W. Bromwich) Kinley, J. Shawcross, Rt. Hon. Sir Hartley
Ede, Rt. Hon. J. C. Lee, Frederick (Newton) Shinwell, Rt. Hon. E.
Edelman, M. Lee, Miss Jennie (Cannock) Short, E. W.
Edwards, John (Brighouse) Lever, Harold (Cheetham) Shurmer, P. L. E.
Edwards, Rt. Hon. Ness (Caerphilly) Lever, Leslie (Ardwick) Silverman, Julius (Erdington)
Edwards, W. J. (Stepney) Lewis, Arthur Silverman, Sydney (Nelson)
Evans, Albert (Islington, S.W.) Lindgren, G. S. Simmons, C. J. (Brierley Hill)
Evans, Edward (Lowestoft) Lipton, Lt.-Col. M. Slater, J.
Smith, Ellis (Stoke, S.) Thomas, Ivor Owen (Wrekin) Whiteley, Rt. Hon. W.
Smith, Norman (Nottingham, S.) Thomson, George (Dundee, E.) Wigg, George
Snow, J. W. Thorneycroft, Harry (Clayton) Wilcock, Group Capt. C. A. B.
Sorensen, R. W. Thurtle, Ernest Wilkins, W. A.
Soskice, Rt. Hon. Sir Frank Timmons, J. Willey, F. T.
Sparks, J. A. Tomney, F. Williams, David (Neath)
Stewart, Michael (Fulham, E.) Turner-Samuels, M. Williams, Rev. Llywelyn (Abertillery)
Stokes, Rt. Hon. R. R. Ungoed-Thomas, Sir Lynn Williams, Ronald (Wigan)
Strachey, Rt. Hon. J. Usborne, H. C. Williams, W. R. (Droylsden)
Strauss, Rt. Hon. George (Vauxhall) Viant, S. P. Williams, W. T. (Hammersmith, S.)
Stross, Dr. Barnett Wallace, H. W. Wilson, Rt. Hon. Harold (Huyton)
Summerskill, Rt. Hon. E. Watkins, T. E. Winterbottom, Ian (Nottingham, C.)
Swingler, S. T. Webb, Rt. Hon. M. (Bradford, C.) Winterbottom, Richard (Brightside)
Sylvester, G. O. Weitzman, D. Wyatt, W. L.
Taylor, Bernard (Mansfield) Wells, Percy (Faversham) Yates, V. F.
Taylor, John (West Lothian) Wells, William (Walsall) Younger, Rt. Hon. K.
Thomas, David (Aberdare) West, D. G.
Thomas, George (Cardiff) White, Mrs. Eirene (E. Flint) TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Thomas, Iorwerth (Rhondda, W.) White, Henry (Derbyshire, N. E.) Mr. Royle and
Mr. Kenneth Robinson.

Resolution to be reported upon Monday next.