§ 11. Mr. Benceasked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what estimate he has made of the increases which would be made in the gold and dollar balances of the sterling area if the dollar price of gold produced in the sterling area was related to world commodity prices.
§ Mr. MaudlingMany estimates of this kind have been made, but the results vary very widely according to the base period adopted for the comparison, and to a lesser extent according to the commodity price index employed.
§ Mr. BenceThat is rather an ambiguous answer, if I may say so. Would the hon. Gentleman not agree that, on a general observation of the position, if the discrimination shown by the American monetary authorities against a large sterling dollar product were eliminated it may be that the sterling dollar balances would be considerably increased?
§ Mr. MaudlingIt may be an ambiguous answer, but it was an ambiguous Question. Taking the 1938 relationship between gold and commodities, the value of the gold reserves 591 would be increased. Taking the 1928 relationship, the value of the gold reserves would be decreased. If the hon. Gentleman has any particular years in mind for comparison, I shall be glad to give him the figures.
§ Mr. StokesDoes not the hon. Gentleman understand that what my hon. Friend is getting at is that the price of commodities has gone up enormously and gold has not? In fact, gold is now so expensive to produce that nobody can afford to produce it, which is a ridiculous position. What would be the effect if, for example, the dollar price of gold were doubled?
§ Mr. MaudlingIf the right hon. Gentleman would put a Question down I shall be glad to find the answer.
§ 31. Mr. Stokesasked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will insist on a revaluation of gold in terms of dollars to a figure in keeping with the rise in commodity prices since 1939 before agreeing to free convertibility of the £ sterling.
§ Mr. MaudlingThe right hon. Gentleman will not expect a reply to a hypothetical question.
§ Mr. StokesOn the contrary, I do. I am sure the Minister knows well enough that I put the Question down to get a reply. Is he aware that the price of gold is now at such a ridiculous level that it is almost uneconomical to produce it, yet it is so valuable that it forms the basis of all our currency arrangements? Surely he has a proper answer to give to my Question.
§ Mr. MaudlingI think it would be not proper, but improper, if I were to answer the right hon. Gentleman's hypothetical question. I appreciate the importance of the matter, and the right hon. Gentleman's concern that it should be kept constantly before the House and the country, but I cannot make any further statement.
§ Mr. GaitskellCan we take it that the Commonwealth conference will be discussing the whole question of the price of gold?
§ Mr. MaudlingThat is the sort of question which would probably be considered, but I cannot state exactly what is to be considered.
§ Mr. Dudley WilliamsIs my hon. Friend aware that this matter is causing great dissatisfaction on both sides of the House, and will he make it clear to the Americans at every conceivable opportunity that it is time that this injustice to the sterling area was righted?
§ Mr. MaudlingAs I said, this is a very important question indeed, but it is also a very complicated question and I cannot make any further statement.
§ Lieut.-Colonel LiptonWill the hon. Gentleman have a word with the former Minister of State for Economic Affairs about this matter?
§ 32. Mr. Stokesasked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is aware that only 68 gold mines are now in production in Canada, compared with 160 in 1942, owing to the fact that the cost of production is now higher than the artificially fixed price of gold; and what representations he proposes to make in collaboration with the Canadian Government to get an adjustment in price sufficient to enable the gold companies both in Canada and the Gold Coast to operate effectively.
§ Mr. MaudlingI am not aware of all the reasons for the decrease in the number of gold mines in production in Canada since 1942. I regret that I have nothing further to say on behalf of Her Majesty's Government at present.
§ Mr. StokesHas the Minister read the reports from Ottawa dated about the 12th of this month? Is it not rather extraordinary that this valuable metal, so valuable that it is the basis on which all our currencies are founded, is now so costly to produce in terms of its present valuation that nobody can afford to produce it? Are we not getting into an absurd muddle?
§ Mr. MaudlingHer Majesty's Government are not getting into any muddle. I understand that the variation in gold production in Canada is not a matter for my right hon. Friend.
§ Mr. StokesIf the Minister will study the reports he will see that it is clear that those mines have closed because they cannot afford to produce, with gold at 35 dollars per fine ounce. What does the Minister propose to do about it to help the Canadian Government?
§ Mr. MaudlingI do not think that my right hon. Friend is responsible to the House of Commons for that particular matter.