HC Deb 18 November 1952 vol 507 cc1595-600

Motion made, and Question proposed, That the Proceedings of the Committee on Transport [Money], on the Expiring Laws Continuance Bill and of the Committee on Expiring Laws Continuance [Money] be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of Standing Order No. 1 (Sittings of the House).—[The Prime Minister.]

Mr. H. Morrison

On a point of order. This seems to be rather serious, Mr. Speaker. You called from the Chair: "The Clerk will now proceed to read the Orders of the Day." Apparently the Government had failed to move the suspension of the Rule, and I submit that it would be quite unfair to the House to permit them to do so now.

Mr. Speaker

Before the Orders of the Day had in fact been read I recollected myself, and realised that these items were to be taken.

The Prime Minister

My action was correct, but the range was unduly short.

Mr. Morrison

The point I am making is that I very distinctly heard, as did everybody in the House—and that is one thing we can say about our Speaker, that he has a very clear voice—"The Clerk will now proceed to read the Orders of the Day." My submission is that when that is done, it is too late for the Motion for the suspension to be nodded, moved or dealt with.

Mr. Speaker

I admit—and I have never denied—that I did ask the Clerk in error to read the Orders of the Day before these other items were taken, but luckily I recollected myself before the Orders of the Day were actually read; so the House is not yet on the Orders of the Day. Having done that before irreparable damage was done, I ask the House to excuse my first slip and to allow us to proceed.

Mr. Morrison

I am sorry to be persistent. According to our recollection and our hearing, the Town and Country Planning Bill was called and was presented by the Minister. Therefore business was transacted. I submit that my former point is in itself pretty conclusive, but this surely adds to it—that the Minister gave the nod and the Bill was presented. I submit that it is now too late to proceed with the suspension of the Rule.

Mr. Speaker

I rule against that. I did call the Minister to present the Town and Country Planning Bill and he duly did so. That having been done, we had not entered upon the Orders of the Day, and therefore it was still open to me to call the Prime Minister to move his Motion, which be has done.

Mr. Mikardo

Further to that point of order. At the moment when you did eventually call the right hon. Gentleman the Prime Minister, he was walking down the aisle towards the exit. Indeed, he had almost reached your Chair. Is it in order for an hon. Member—or even a right hon. Member—to move a Motion when he is in the process of perambulation?

Mr. Speaker

That raises another matter. It is a settled practice that one Member of the Government can move a Motion for another.

Question put.

The House divided: Ayes. 266; Noes, 218.

Division No. 3.] AYES [4.0 p.m.
Aitken, W. T. George, Rt. Hon. Maj. G. Lloyd Mellor, Sir John
Allan, R. A. (Paddington, S.) Glyn, Sir Ralph Molson, A. H. E.
Alport C. J. M. Godber, J. B. Monckton, Rt. Hon. Sir Walter
Amory, Heathcoat (Tiverton) Gomme-Duncan, Col. A. Morrison, John (Salisbury)
Anstruther-Gray, Major W. J. Gough, C. F. H. Mott-Radclyffe, C. E.
Arbuthnot, John Gower, H. R. Nabarro, G. D. N.
Ashton, H. (Chelmsford) Graham, Sir Fergus Nicholls, Harmar
Assheton, Rt. Hon. R. (Blackburn, W.) Gridley, Sir Arnold Nicholson, Godfrey (Fareham)
Baker, P. A. D. Grimond, J. Nicolson, Nigel (Bournemouth, E.)
Baldock, Lt.-Cmdr. J. M. Grimston, Hon. John (St. Albans) Nield, Basil (Chester)
Banks, Col. C. Grimston, Sir Robert (Westbury) Noble, Cmdr. A. H. P.
Barber, Anthony Hall, John (Wycombe) Nugent, G. R. H.
Barlow, Sir John Harden, J. R. E. Oakshott, H. D.
Baxter, A. B. Harris, Frederic (Croydon, N.) Odey, G. W.
Beach, Maj. Hicks Harris, Reader (Heston) O'Neill, Phelim (Co. Antrim, N.)
Beamish, Maj. Tufton Harrison, Col. J. H. (Eye) Ormsby-Gore, Hon. W. D.
Bell, Philip (Bolton, E.) Harvey, Air Cdre. A. V. (Macclesfield) Orr, Capt. L. P. S.
Bennett, F. M. (Reading, N.) Harvey, Ian (Harrow, E.) Orr-Ewing, Charles Ian (Hendon, N.)
Bennett, Sir Peter (Edgbaston) Harvie-Watt, Sir George Osborne, C.
Bennett, Dr. Reginald (Gosport) Head, Rt. Hon. A. H. Partridge, E.
Bennett, William (Woodside) Heald, Sir Lionel Peake, Rt. Hon. O.
Bevins, J. R. (Toxteth) Heath, Edward Perkins, W. R. D.
Birch, Nigel Henderson, John (Cathcart) Peto, Brig. C. H. M.
Bishop, F. P. Higgs, J. M. C. Peyton, J. W. W.
Black, C. W. Hill, Dr. Charles (Luton) Pickthorn, K. W. M.
Boyd-Carpenter, J. A. Hill, Mrs. E. (Wythenshawe) Pilkington, Capt. R. A.
Boyle, Sir Edward Hinchingbrooke, Viscount Powell, J. Enoch
Braine, B. R. Hirst, Geoffrey Price, Henry (Lewisham, W.)
Braithwaite, Lt.-Cdr. G. (Bristol, N. W.) Holt, A. F. Prior-Palmer, Brig. O. L.
Bromley-Davenport, Lt.-Col. W. H. Hopkinson, Rt. Hon. Henry Profumo, J. D.
Brooke, Henry (Hampstead) Hornsby-Smith, Miss M. P. Raikes, H. V.
Brooman-White, R. C. Howard, Greville (St. Ives) Rayner, Brig. R.
Browne, Jack (Govan) Hudson, Sir Austin (Lewisham, N.) Redmayne, M.
Buchan-Hepburn, Rt. Hon. P. G. T. Hudson, W. R. A. (Hull, N.) Remnant, Hon. P.
Bullard, D. G. Hulbert, Wing Cdr. N. J. Renton, D. L. M.
Bullus, Wing Commander E. E. Hurd, A. R. Roberts, Peter (Heeley)
Burden, F. F. A. Hutchison, Lt.-Com. Clark (E'b'rgh W.) Robertson, Sir David
Butcher, H. W. Hutchison, James (Scotstoun) Robinson, Roland (Blackpool, S.)
Campbell, Sir David Hyde, Lt.-Col. H. M. Robson-Brown, W.
Carr, Robert (Mitcham) Hylton-Foster, H. B. H. Rodgers, John (Sevenoaks)
Carson, Hon. E. Jenkins, Robert (Dulwich) Roper, Sir Harold
Cary, Sir Robert Johnson, Eric (Blackley) Ropner, Col. Sir Leonard
Channon, H. Jones, A. (Hall Green) Russell, R. S.
Churchill, Rt. Hon. W. S. Kaberry, D. Ryder, Capt. R. E. D.
Clarke, Col. Ralph (East Grinstead) Kerr, H. W. (Cambridge) Salter, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur
Clarke, Brig. Terence (Portsmouth, W.) Lambert, Hon. G. Savory, Prof. Sir Douglas
Cole, Norman Lambton, Viscount Schofield, Lt.-Col. W. (Rochdale)
Colegate, W. A. Lancaster, Col. C. G. Scott, R. Donald
Cooper, Sqn. Ldr. Albert Langford-Holt, J. A. Scott-Miller, Cmdr. R.
Cooper-Key, E. M. Law, Rt. Hon. R. K. Shepherd, William
Craddock, Beresford (Spelthorne) Leather E. H. C. Simon, J. E. S. (Middlesbrough, W.)
Crookshank, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. F. C. Legge-Bourke, Maj. E. A. H. Smiles, Lt.-Col. Sir Walter
Crouch, R. F. Legh, P. R. (Petersfield) Smithers, Peter (Winchester)
Crowder, Sir John (Finchley) Lennox-Boyd, Rt. Hon. A. T. Smithers, Sir Waldron (Orpington)
Cuthbert, W. N. Linstead, H. N. Smyth, Brig. J. G. (Norwood)
Darling, Sir William (Edinburgh, S.) Llewellyn, D. T. Snadden, W. McN.
Davidson, Viscountess Lloyd, Maj. Guy (Renfrew, E.) Soames, Capt. C.
Davies, Rt. Hn. Clement (Montgomery) Lockwood, Lt.-Col. J. C. Spearman, A. C. M.
Deedes, W. F. Lucas, Sir Jocelyn (Portsmouth, S.) Speir, R. M.
Digby, S. Wingfield Lucas, P. B. (Brentford) Spence, H. R. (Aberdeenshire, W.)
Dodds-Parker, A. D. Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Spens, Sir Patrick (Kensington, S.)
Donaldson, Cmdr. C. E. McA. Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. O. Stanley, Capt. Hon. Richard
Donner, P. W.
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord Malcolm McAdden, S. J. Stevens, G. P.
Drayson, G. B. McCallum, Major D. Steward, W. A. (Woolwich, W.)
Dugdale, Rt. Hn. Sir T. (Richmond) McCorquodale, Rt. Hon. M. S. Stewart, Henderson (Fife, E.)
Duncan, Capt. J. A. L. Mackeson, Brig. H. R. Stoddart-Scott, Col. M.
Duthie, W. S. McKibbin, A. J. Storey, S.
Eccles, Rt. Hon. D. M. McKie, J. H. (Galloway) Strauss, Henry (Norwich, S.)
Elliot, Rt. Hon. W. E. Maclay, Rt. Hon. John Stuart, Rt. Hon. James (Moray)
Erroll, F. J. Maclean, Fitzroy Studholme, H. G.
Fell, A. Macmillan, Rt. Hon. Harold (Bromley) Summers, G. S.
Finlay, Graeme Macpherson, Maj. Niall (Dumfries) Sutcliffe, H.
Fisher, Nigel Maitland, Comdr. J. F. W. (Horncastle) Taylor, Charles (Eastbourne)
Fleetwood-Hesketh, R. F. Maitland, Patrick (Lanark) Taylor, William (Bradford, N.)
Fletcher-Cooke, C. Markham, Major S. F. Teeling, W.
Foster, John Marlowe, A. A. H. Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. P. L. (Hereford)
Fraser, Hon. Hugh (Stone) Marples, A. E. Thomas, P. J. M. (Conway)
Fraser, Sir Ian (Morecambe & Lonsdale) Marshall, Sir Sidney (Sutton) Thompson, Kenneth (Walton)
Fyfe, Rt. Hon. Sir David Maxwell Maude, Angus Thompson, Lt.-Cdr. R. (Croydon, W.)
Galbraith Cmdr. T. D. (Pollok) Maudling, R. Thornton-Kemsley, Col. C. N.
Galbraith, T. G. D. (Hillhead) Maydon, Lt.-Comdr. S. L. C. Touche, Sir Gordon
Garner-Evans, E. H. Medlicott, Brig. F. Turner, H. F. L.
Turton, R. H. Ward, Hon. George (Worcester) Williams, Gerald (Tonbridge)
Tweedsmuir, Lady Ward, Miss I. (Tynemouth) Williams, R. Dudley (Exeter)
Vane, W. M. F. Waterhouse, Capt. Rt. Hon. C. Wills, G.
Vaughan-Morgan, J. K. Watkinson, H. A. Wilson, Geoffrey (Truro)
Vosper, D. F. Webbe, Sir H. (London & Westminster) Wood, Hon. R.
Wakefield, Edward (Derbyshire, W.) White, Baker (Canterbury)
Wakefield, Sir Wavell (Marylebone) Williams, Rt. Hon. Charles (Torquay) TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Mr. Drewe and Major Conant.
Acland, Sir Richard Griffiths, William (Exchange) Pargiter, G. A.
Albu, A. H. Hall, Rt. Hon. Glenvil (Colne Valley Paton, J.
Allen, Arthur (Bosworth) Hall, John T. (Gateshead, W.) Pearson, A.
Anderson, Alexander (Motherwell) Hamilton, W. W. Plummer, Sir Leslie
Attlee, Rt. Hon. C. R. Hannan, W. Poole, C. C.
Awbery, S. S. Hardy, E. A. Porter, G.
Bacon, Miss Alice Hargreaves, A. Price, Joseph T. (Westhoughton)
Balfour, A. Harrison, J. (Nottingham, E.) Proctor, W. T.
Barnes, Rt. Hon. A. J. Hayman, F. H. Rankin, John
Beattle, J. Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Rowley Regis) Reeves, J.
Bellenger, Rt. Hon F. J. Herbison, Miss M. Reid, Thomas (Swindon)
Bence, C. R. Hobson, C. R. Reid, William (Camlachie)
Benn, Wedgwood Holman, P. Rhodes, H.
Benson, G. Holmes, Horace (Hemsworth) Robens, Rt. Hon. A.
Beswick, F. Hoy, J. H. Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Bing, G. H. C. Hubbard, T. F. Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvonshire)
Blackburn, F. Hudson, James (Ealing, N.) Rogers, George (Kensington, N.)
Blenkinsop, A. Hughes, Emrys (S. Ayrshire) Ross, William
Blyton, W. R. Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N) Royle, C.
Boardman, H. Hynd, H. (Accrington) Schofield, S. (Barnsley)
Bottomley, Rt. Hon. A. G. Hynd, J. B. (Attercliffe) Shinwell, Rt. Hon. E.
Bowden, H. W. Irvine, A. J. (Edge Hill) Shurmer, P. L. E.
Bowles, F. G. Irving, W. J. (Wood Green) Silverman, Julius (Erdington)
Braddock, Mrs. Elizabeth Isaacs, Rt. Hon. G. A. Silverman, Sydney (Nelson)
Brockway, A. F. Jay Rt. Hon D. P. T. Simmons, C. J. (Brierley Hill)
Brook, Dryden (Halifax) Jeger, George (Gocle) Slater, J.
Brown, Rt. Hon. George (Belper) Jeger, Dr. Santo (St. Pancras, S.) Smith, Norman (Nottingham, S.)
Brown, Thomas (Ince) Jenkins, R. H. (Stechford) Snow, J. W.
Burke, W. A. Johnson, James (Rugby) Sorensen, R. W.
Burton, Miss F. E. Johnston, Douglas (Paisley) Sparks, J. A.
Callaghan, L. J. Jones, David (Hartlepool) Steele, T.
Carmichael, J. Jones, Jack (Rotherham) Stewart, Michael (Fulham, E.)
Castle, Mrs. B. A. Keenan, W. Stokes, Rt. Hon. R. R.
Champion, A. J. Key, Rt. Hon. C. W. Strachey, Rt. Hon. J.
Chetwynd, G. R. King, Dr. H. M. Stross, Dr. Barnett
Clunie, J. Kirley, J. Summerskill, Rt. Hon. E.
Coldrick, W. Lee, Frederick (Newton) Swingler, S. T.
Collick, P. H. Lever, Leslie (Ardwick) Sylvester, G. O.
Craddock, George (Bradford, S.) Lewis, Arthur Taylor, Bernard (Mansfield)
Crossman, R. H. S. Lindgren, G S. Taylor, John (West Lothian)
Cullen, Mrs. A. Lipton Lt.-Col. M. Taylor, Rt. Hon. Robert (Morpeth)
Daines, P. McGhee, H. G. Thomas, David (Aberdare)
Dalton, Rt. Hon. H. McInnes, J. Thomas, George (Cardiff)
Darling, George (Hillsborough) McKay, John (Wallsend) Thomas, Ivor Owen (Wrekin)
Davies, A. Edward (Stoke, N.) McLeavy, F. Thomson, George (Dundee, E.)
Davies, Ernest (Enfield, E.) MacMillan, M. K. (Western Isles) Thorneycroft, Harry (Clayton)
Davies, Harold (Leek) MacPherson, Malcolm (Stirling) Thurtle, Ernest
Davies, Stephen (Merthyr) Mallalieu, E. L. (Brigg) Timmons, J.
de Freitas, Geoffrey Mallalieu, J. P. W. (Huddersfield, E.) Tomney, F.
Deer, G. Mann, Mrs. Jean Viant, S. P.
Delargy, H. J. Manuel, A. C. Wallace, H. W.
Dodds, N. N.
Donnelly, D. L. Marquand, Rt. Hon. H. A. Watkins, T. E.
Driberg, T. E. N. Mellish, R. J. Webb, Rt. Hon. M. (Bradford, C.)
Ede, Rt. Hon. J. C. Mikardo, Ian Wells, Percy (Faversham)
Edelman, M. Mitchison, G. R. West, D. G.
Edwards, Rt. Hon. Ness (Caerphilly) Monslow, W. Wheatley, Rt. Hon. John
Edwards, W. J. (Stepney) Moody, A. S. White, Mrs. Eirene (E. Flint)
Evans, Albert (Islington, S. W.) Morley, R. White, Henry (Derbyshire, N. E.)
Fernyhough, E. Morris, Percy (Swansea, W.) Whiteley, Rt. Hon. W.
Field, W. J. Morrison, Rt. Hon. H. (Lewisham, S.) Wigg, George
Finch, H. J. Moyle, A. Wilkins, W. A.
Fletcher, Eric (Islington, E.) Murray, J. D. Williams, Rev. Llywelyn (Abertillery)
Follick, M. Neal, Harold (Bolsover) Williams, Ronald (Wigan)
Foot, M. M. Noel-Baker, Rt. Hon. P. J. Williams, W. R. (Droylsden)
Forman, J. C. Oldfield, W. H. Winterbottom, Ian (Nottingham, C.)
Fraser, Thomas (Hamilton) Oliver, G. H. Winterbottom, Richard (Brightside)
Gaitskell, Rt. Hon. H. T. N. Orbach, M. Woodburn, Rt. Hon. A.
Gibson, C. W. Oswald, T. Yates, V. F.
Glanville, James Padley, W. E. Younger, Rt. Hon. K.
Gooch, E. G. Paget, R. T.
Gordon Walker, Rt. Hon. P. C. Paling, Rt. Hon. W. (Dearne Valley) TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Grenfell, Rt. Hon. D. R. Paling, Will T. (Dewsbury) Mr. Popplewell and
Griffiths, David (Rother Valley) Palmer, A. M. F. Mr. Kenneth Robinson
Griffiths, Rt. Hon. James (Llanelly) Pannell, Charles