§ Mr. HastingsI beg to move, in page 4, line 27, to leave out "paid into the Exchequer and to insert:
retained and used for the purposes of the National Health Service Act, 1946.This Amendment seeks to ensure that money collected from patients shall be ploughed back into the National Health Service. I do not suggest that patients who pay any of these charges will do so willingly, but I do suggest that they will pay them less unwillingly if they know that they are to be used for the improvement of the Health Service.
§ Dr. BroughtonWhen we examined Clause 1 of this Bill, it was shown that money was to be extracted from cripples, mothers, the poor and the weak. The examination of Clause 2 has shown that money is to be extracted from people suffering from toothache. Clause 4 has shown that money is to be taken from the mothers of illegitimate children.
§ Because we cannot persuade the Government to drop the Bill, we would like this money to be used for a good purpose.
§ Mr. Ellis SmithI want to support my hon. Friends, although within the time available—
§ It being Twenty-four Minutes to Eleven o'Clock. The CHAIRMAN proceeded, pursuant to Order, to put forthwith the Question already proposed from the Chair.
§ The CHAIRMAN then proceeded successively to put forthwith the Questions necessary to bring the Proceedings in Committee to a conclusion.
§ Question put, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill."
§ The Committee divided: Ayes 290; Noes, 272.
873| Division No. 102.] | AYES | [10.37 p.m. |
| Aitken, W. T. | Bennett, Dr. Reginald (Gosport) | Butcher, H. W. |
| Allan, R. A. (Paddington, S.) | Bennett, William (Woodside) | Carr, Robert (Mitcham) |
| Alport, C. J. M. | Bevins, J. R. (Toxteth) | Carson, Hon. E. |
| Amory, Heathcoat (Tiverton) | Birch, Nigel | Cary, Sir Robert |
| Anstruther-Gray, Major W. J. | Bishop, F. P. | Channon, H. |
| Arbuthnot, John | Black, C. W. | Churchill, Rt. Hon. W. S. |
| Ashton, H. (Chelmsford) | Boothby, R. J. G. | Clarke, Col. Ralph (East Grinstead) |
| Astor, Hon. J. J. (Plymouth, Sutton) | Bossom, A. C. | Clarke, Brig. Terence (Portsmouth, W.) |
| Astor, Hon. W. W. (Bucks, Wycombe) | Boyd-Carpenter, J. A. | Clyde, Rt. Hon. J. L. |
| Baker, P. A. D. | Boyle, Sir Edward | Cole, Norman |
| Baldock, Lt.-Cmdr. J. M. | Braithwaite, Sir Albert (Harrow, W.) | Colegate, W. A. |
| Baldwin, A. E. | Braithwaite, Lt.-Cdr. G. (Bristol, N. W.) | Conant, Maj. R. J. E. |
| Banks, Col. C. | Bromley-Davenport, Lt.-Col. W. H. | Cooper, Sqn. Ldr. Albert |
| Barber, A. P. L. | Brooke, Henry (Hampstead) | Cooper-Key, E. M. |
| Barlow, Sir John | Brooman-White, R. C. | Craddock, Beresford (Spelthorne) |
| Baxter, A. B. | Browne, Jack (Govan) | Cranborne, Viscount |
| Beach, Maj. Hicks | Buchan-Hepburn, Rt. Hon. P. G. T. | Crookshank, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. F. C. |
| Beamish, Maj. Tufton | Bullard, D. G. | Crosthwaite-Eyre, Col. O. E. |
| Bell, Philip (Bolton, E.) | Bullock, Capt. M. | Crouch, R. F. |
| Bell, Ronald (Bucks, S.) | Bullus, Wing-Commander, E. E. | Crowder, John E. (Finchley) |
| Bennett, F. M. (Reading, N.) | Burden, F. F. A. | Crowder, Petre (Ruislip—Northwood) |
| Cuthbert, W. N. | Johnson, Eric (Blackley) | Price, Henry (Lewisham, W.) |
| Darling, Sir William (Edinburgh, S.) | Johnson, Howard (Kemptown) | Prior-Palmer, Brig. O. L. |
| Davidson, Viscountess | Jones, A. (Hall Green) | Profumo, J. D. |
| Deedes, W. F. | Joynson-Hicks, Hon. L. W. | Raikes, H. V. |
| Digby, S. Wingfield | Keeling, Sir Edward | Rayner, Brig. R. |
| Dodds-Parker, A. D. | Kerr, H. W. (Cambridge) | Redmayne, E. |
| Donaldson, Cmdr. C. E. McA. | Lambert, Hon. G. | Remnant, Hon. P. |
| Donner, P. W. | Lambton, Viscount | Renton, D. L. M. |
| Doughty, C. J. A. | Lancaster, Col. C. G. | Roberts, Peter (Heeley) |
| Drayson, G. B. | Langford-Holt, J. A. | Robertson, Sir David |
| Duthie, W. S. | Law, Rt. Hon. R. K. | Robinson, Roland (Blackpool, S.) |
| Eccles, Rt. Hon. D. M. | Leather, E. H. C. | Robson-Brown, W. |
| Elliot, Rt. Hon. W. E. | Legge-Bourke, Maj. E. A. H. | Rodgers, John (Sevenoaks) |
| Erroll, F. J. | Legh, P. R. (Petersfield) | Roper, Sir Harold |
| Fell, A. | Lindsay, Martin | Ropner, Col. Sir Leonard |
| Finlay, Graeme | Linstead, H. N. | Russell, R. S. |
| Fisher, Nigel | Lloyd, Rt. Hon. Selwyn (Wirral) | Ryder, Capt. R. E. D. |
| Fleetwood-Hesketh, R. F. | Lockwood, Lt.-Col. J. C. | Salter, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur |
| Fletcher, Walter (Bury) | Longden, Gilbert (Herts, S. W.) | Sandys, Rt. Hon. D. |
| Fletcher-Cooke, C. | Low, A. R. W. | Savory, Prof. Sir Douglas |
| Fort, R. | Lucas, Sir Jocelyn (Portsmouth, S.) | Schofield, Lt.-Col. W. (Rochdale) |
| Fraser, Hon. Hugh (Stone) | Lucas, P. B. (Brentford) | Scott, R. Donald |
| Fraser, Sir Ian (Morecambe & Lonsdale) | Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh | Scott-Miller, Cmdr. R. |
| Fyfe, Rt. Hon. Sir David Maxwell | McAdden, S. J. | Shepherd, William |
| Gage, C. H. | McCallum, Major D. | Simon, J. E. S. (Middlesbrough, W.) |
| Galbraith, Cmdr. T. D. (Pollok) | McCorquodale, Rt. Hon. M. S. | Smiles, Lt.-Col. Sir Walter |
| Galbraith, T. G. D. (Hillhead) | Macdonad, Sir Peter (I. of Wight) | Smithers, Peter (Winchester) |
| Gammans, L. D. | Mackeson, Brig. H. R. | Smyth, Brig. J. G. (Norwood) |
| Garner-Evans, E. H. | McKibbin, A. J. | Snadden, W. McN. |
| George, Rt. Hon. Maj. G. Lloyd | McKie, J. H. (Galloway) | Soames, Capt. C. |
| Glyn, Sir Ralph | MacLeod, Iain (Enfield, W.) | Spearman, A. C. M. |
| Godber, J. B. | MacLeod, John (Ross and Cromarty) | Speir, R. M. |
| Gough, C. F. H. | Macmillan, Rt. Hon. Harold (Bromley) | Spence, H. R. (Aberdeenshire, W.) |
| Gower, H. R. | Macpherson, Maj. Niall (Dumfries) | Spens, Sir Patrick (Kensington, S.) |
| Gridley, Sir Arnold | Maitland, Comdr. J. F. W. (Horncastle) | Stanley, Capt. Hon. Richard |
| Grimston, Hon. John (St. Albans) | Maitland, Patrick (Lanark) | Stevens, G. P. |
| Grimston, Sir Robert (Westbury) | Manningham-Buller, Sir R. E. | Steward, W. A. (Woolwich, W.) |
| Harden, J. R. E. | Markham, Major S. F. | Stewart, Henderson (Fife, E.) |
| Hare, Hon. J. H. | Marlowe, A. A. H. | Stoddart-Scott, Col. M. |
| Harris, Frederic (Croydon, N.) | Marples, A. E. | Storey, S. |
| Harm, Reader (Heston) | Marshall, Douglas (Bodmin) | Strauss, Henry (Norwich, S.) |
| Harrison, Col. J. H. (Eye) | Marshall, Sidney (Sutton) | Stuart, Rt. Hon. James (Moray) |
| Harvey, Air Cdre. A. V. (Macclesfield) | Maude, Angus | Studholme, H. G. |
| Maudling, R. | Sutcliffe, H. | |
| Harvey, Ian (Harrow, E.) | Maydon, Lt.-Comdr. S. L. C. | Taylor, Charles (Eastbourne) |
| Harvie-Watt, Sir George | Medlicott, Brig. F. | Taylor, William (Bradford, N.) |
| Hay, John | Mellor, Sir John | Teeling, W. |
| Head, Rt. Hon. A. H. | Molson, A. H. E. | Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. P. L. (Hereford) |
| Heald, Sir Lionel | Monckton, Rt. Hon. Sir Walter | Thomas, P. J. M. (Conway) |
| Heath, Edward | Moore, Lt.-Col. Sir Thomas | Thompson, Kenneth (Walton) |
| Henderson, John (Cathcart) | Morrison, John (Salisbury) | Thompson, Lt.-Cdr. R. (Croydon, W.) |
| Higgs, J. M. C. | Mott-Radclyffe, C. E. | Thorneycroft, Rt. Hn. Peter (Monmouth) |
| Hill, Dr. Charles (Luton) | Nabarro, G. D. N. | Thornton-Kemsley, Col. C. N. |
| Hill, Mrs. E. (Wythenshawe) | Nicholls, Harmar | Tilney, John |
| Hinchingbrooke, Viscount | Nicholson, Godfrey (Farnham) | Turner, H. F. L. |
| Hirst, Geoffrey | Nicolson, Nigel (Bournemouth, E.) | Turton, R. H. |
| Holland-Martin, C. J. | Nield, Basil (Chester) | Tweedsmuir, Lady |
| Hollis, M. C. | Noble, Cmdr. A. H. P. | Vaughan-Morgan, J. K. |
| Holmes, Sir Stanley (Harwich) | Nugent, G. R. H. | Vosper, D. F. |
| Hope, Lord John | Nutting, Anthony | Wakefield, Sir Wavell (Marylebone) |
| Hopkinson, Henry | Oakshott, H. D. | Walker-Smith, D. C. |
| Hornsby-Smith, Miss M. P. | Odey, G. W. | Ward, Hon. George (Worcester) |
| Horsbrugh, Rt. Hon. Florence | O'Neill, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Antrim, N.) | Ward, Miss I. (Tynemouth) |
| Howard, Gerald (Cambridgeshire) | Ormsby-Gore, Hon. W. D. | Watkinson, H. A. |
| Howard, Greville (St. Ives) | Orr, Capt. L. P. S. | Webbe, Sir H. (London & Westminster) |
| Hudson, Sir Austin (Lewisham, N.) | Orr-Ewing, Charles Ian (Hendon, N.) | Wellwood, W. |
| Hudson, W. R. A. (Hull, N.) | Orr-Ewing, Ian L. (Weston-super-Mare) | While, Baker (Canterbury) |
| Hulbert, Wing Cmdr. N. J. | Osborne, C. | Williams, Rt. Hon. Charles (Torquay) |
| Hurd, A. R. | Partridge, E. | Williams, Gerald (Tonbridge) |
| Hutchinson, Sir Geoffrey (Ilford, N.) | Peake, Rt. Hon. O. | Williams, Sir Herbert (Croydon, E.) |
| Hutchison, Lt.-Com. Clark (E'b'rgh W.) | Perkins, W. R. D. | Williams, R. Dudley (Exeter) |
| Hutchison, James (Scotstoun) | Peto, Brig. C. H. M. | Wills, G. |
| Hyde, Lt.-Col. H. M. | Peyton, J. W. W. | Wood, Hon. R. |
| Hylton-Foster, H. B. H. | Pilkington, Capt. R. A. | York, C. |
| Jenkins, R. C. D. (Dulwich) | Pitman, I. J. | TELLERS FOR THE AYES: |
| Jennings, R. | Powell, J. Enoch | Mr. Drewe and Mr. Kaberry. |
| NOES | ||
| Acland, Sir Richard | Attlee, Rt. Hon. C. R. | Bellenger, Rt. Hon. F. J. |
| Adams, Richard | Awbery, S. S. | Bence, C. R. |
| Aibu, A. H. | Ayles, W. H. | Bunn, Wedgwood |
| Allen, Arthur (Bosworth) | Bacon, Miss Alice | Benson, G. |
| Allen, Scholefield (Crewe) | Baird, J. | Beswick, F. |
| Anderson, Alexander (Motherwell) | Barnes, Rt. Hon. A. J. | Bevan, Rt. Hon. A. (Ebbw Vale) |
| Anderson, Frank (Whitehaven) | Bartley, P. | Blackburn, F. |
| Blenkinsop, A. | Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Rowley Regis) | Plummer, Sir Leslie |
| Blyton, W. R. | Herbison, Miss M. | Popplewell, E. |
| Boardman, H. | Hewitson, Capt M. | Porter, G. |
| Bottomley, Rt. Hon. A. G. | Hobson, C. R. | Price, Joseph T. (Westhoughton) |
| Bowden, H. W. | Holman, P. | Price, Philips (Gloucestershire, W.) |
| Bowen, E. R. | Holmes, Horace (Hemsworth) | Proctor, W. T. |
| Bowles, F. G. | Holt, A. F. | Pryde, D. J. |
| Braddock, Mrs. Elizabeth | Houghton, Douglas | Rankin, John |
| Brockway, A. F. | Hoy, J. H. | Reeves, J. |
| Brook, Dryden (Halifax) | Hubbard, T. F. | Reid, Thomas (Swindon) |
| Broughton, Dr. A. D. D. | Hudson, James (Ealing, N.) | Reid, William (Camlachie) |
| Brown, Rt. Hon. George (Belper) | Hughes, Cledwyn (Anglesey) | Rhodes, H. |
| Brown, Thomas (Ince) | Hughes, Emrys (S. Ayrshire) | Richards, R. |
| Burke, W. A. | Hynd, H. (Accrington) | Robens, Rt. Hon. A. |
| Burton, Miss F. E. | Hynd, J. B. (Attercliffe) | Roberts, Albert (Normanton) |
| Butler, Herbert (Hackney, S.) | Irvine, A. J. (Edge Hill) | Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvonshire) |
| Callaghan, L. J. | Irving, W. J. (Wood Green) | Rogers, George (Kensington, N.) |
| Castle, Mrs. B. A. | Isaacs, Rt. Hon. G. A. | Ross, William |
| Champion, A. J. | Janner, B. | Schofield, S. (Barnsley) |
| Chapman, W. D. | Jay, Rt. Hon. D. P. T. | Shackleton, E. A. A. |
| Chetwynd, G. R. | Jeger, George (Goole) | Shawcross, Rt. Hon. Sir Hartley |
| Cocks, F. S. | Jeger, Dr. Santo (St. Pancras, S.) | Shinwell, Rt. Hon. E. |
| Coldrick, W. | Jenkins, R. H. (Stechford) | Short, E. W. |
| Collick, P. H. | Johnson, James (Rugby) | Silverman, Julius (Erdington) |
| Cook, T. F. | Johnston, Douglas (Paisley) | Silverman, Sydney (Nelson) |
| Corbel, Mrs. Freda | Jones, David (Hartlepool) | Simmons, C. J. (Brierley Hill) |
| Cove, W. G. | Jones, Jack (Rotherham) | Smith, Ellis (Stoke, S.) |
| Craddock, George (Bradford, S.) | Keenan, W. | Smith, Norman (Nottingham, S.) |
| Crosland, C. A. R. | Kenyon, C. | Snow, J. W. |
| Crossman, R. H. S. | Key, Rt. Hon. C. W. | Sorensen, R. W. |
| Cullen, Mrs. A. | King, Dr. H. M. | Soskice, Rt. Hon. Sir Frank |
| Daines, P. | Kinley, J. | Sparks, J. A. |
| Dalton, Rt. Hon. H. | Lee, Frederick (Newton) | Stewart, Michael (Fulham, E.) |
| Darling, George (Hillsborough) | Lee, Miss Jennie (Cannock) | Stokes, Rt. Hon. R. R. |
| Davies, A. Edward (Stoke, N.) | Lever, Harold (Cheetham) | Strachey, Rt. Hon. J. |
| Davies, Rt. Hn. Clement (Montgomery) | Lever, Leslie (Ardwick) | Strauss, Rt. Hon. George (Vauxhall) |
| Davies, Ernest (Enfield, E.) | Lewis, Arthur | Summerskill, Rt. Hon. E. |
| Davies, Harold (Leeds) | Lindgren, G. S. | Swingler, S. T. |
| Davies, Stephen (Merthyr) | Logan, D. G. | Sylvester, G. O. |
| de Freitas, Geoffrey | MacColl, J. E. | Taylor, Bernard (Mansfield) |
| Deer, G. | McGhee, H. G. | Taylor, John (West Lothian) |
| Delargy, H. J. | McGovern, J. | Taylor, Rt. Hon. Robert (Morpeth) |
| Dodds, N. N. | McInnes, J. | Thomas, David (Aberdare) |
| Donnelly, D. L. | McKay, John (Wallsend) | Thomas, George (Cardiff) |
| Driberg, T. E. N. | McLeavy, F. | Thomas, Iorwerth (Rhondda, W.) |
| Dugdale, Rt. Hon. John (W. Bromwich) | MacMillan, M. K. (Western Isles) | Thomas, Ivor Owen (Wrekin) |
| Ede, Rt. Hon. J. C. | McNeil, Rt. Hon. H. | Thurtle, Ernest |
| Edelman, M. | MacPherson, Malcolm (Stirling) | Timmons, J. |
| Edwards, John (Brighouse) | Mainwaring, W. H. | Tomney, F. |
| Edwards, Rt. Hon. Ness (Caerphilly) | Mallalieu, E. L. (Brigg) | Turner-Samuels, M. |
| Evans, Albert (Islington, S. W.) | Mallalieu, J. P. W. (Huddersfiell, E.) | Ungoed-Thomas, Sir Lynn |
| Evans, Edward (Lowestoft) | Mann, Mrs. Jean | Usborne, H. C. |
| Evans, Stanley (Wednesbury) | Manuel, A. C. | Viant, S. P. |
| Ewart, R. | Marquand, Rt. Hon. H. A. | Wade, D. W. |
| Field, W. J. | Mayhew, C. P. | Wallace, H. W. |
| Fienburgh, W. | Mellish, R. J. | Watkins, T. E. |
| Finch, H. J. | Mikardo, Ian | Webb, Rt. Hon. M. (Bradford, C.) |
| Fletcher, Eric (Islington, E.) | Mitchison, G. R. | Weitzman, D. |
| Foot, M. M. | Monslow, W. | Wells, Percy (Faversham) |
| Forman, J. C. | Moody, A. S. | Wells, William (Walsall) |
| Freeman, John (Watford) | Morgan, Dr. H. B. W. | West, D. G. |
| Freeman, Peter (Newport) | Morley, R. | Wheatley, Rt. Hon. John |
| Gaitskell, Rt. Hon. H. T. N. | Morris, Percy (Swansea, W.) | White, Mrs. Eirene (E. Flint) |
| Gibson, C. W. | Morrison, Rt. Hon. H. (Lewisham, S.) | White, Henry (Derbyshire, N. E.) |
| Glanville, James | Mort, D. L. | Whiteley, Rt. Hon. W. |
| Gooch, E. G. | Moyle, A. | Wigg, George |
| Gordon-Walker, Rt. Hon. P. C. | Mulley, F. W. | Wilcock, Group Capt. C. A. B. |
| Greenwood, Anthony (Rossendale) | Murray, J. D. | Willey, Frederick (Sunderland, N.) |
| Greenwood, Rt. Hon. Arthur (Wakefield) | Nally, W. | Willey, Octavius (Cleveland) |
| Grenfell, Rt. Hon. D. R. | Neal, Harold (Bolsover) | Williams, David (Neath) |
| Grey, C. F. | O'Brien, T. | Williams, Rev. Llywelyn (Abertillery) |
| Griffiths, David (Rother Valley) | Oldfield, W. H. | Williams, Ronald (Wigan) |
| Griffiths, Rt. Hon. James (Llanelly) | Oliver, G. H. | Williams, W. R. (Droylsden) |
| Griffiths, William (Exchange) | Orbach, M. | Williams, W. T. (Hammersmith, S.) |
| Grimond, J. | Oswald, T. | Wilson, Rt. Hon. Harold (Huyton) |
| Hale, Leslie (Oldham, W.) | Padley, W. E. | Winterbottom, Ian (Nottingham, C.) |
| Hall, Rt. Hon. Glenvil (Colne Valley) | Paget, R. T. | Winterbottom, Richard (Brightside) |
| Hall, John (Gateshead, W.) | Paling, Rt. Hon. W. (Dearne Valley) | Woodburn, Rt. Hon. A. |
| Hamilton, W. W. | Paling, Will T. (Dewsbury) | Wyatt, W. L. |
| Hannan, W. | Pannell, Charles | Yates, V. F. |
| Hardy, E. A. | Pargiter, G. A. | Younger, Rt. Hon. K. |
| Harrison, J. (Nottingham, E.) | Parker, J. | |
| Hastings, S. | Paton, J. | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Hayman, F. H. | Pearson, A. | Mr. Wilkins and Mr. Royle. |
| Healey, Denis (Leeds, S. E.) | Peart, T. F. |
Question, "That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Clause," put, and agreed to.
§ Clause 7 ordered to stand part of the Bill.