HC Deb 15 November 1949 vol 469 cc1856-7
44. Mr. Spearman

asked the Minister of National Insurance what he intends to do to remedy the unfairness to merchant seamen who have to pay full contributions under the National Insurance scheme, but who, being mostly outside the United Kingdom, are unable to obtain treatment under the Health Service.

Mr. J. Griffiths

It is a fundamental principle of the National Insurance scheme that the contributions paid by insured persons should be at flat rates and should not be related to individual circumstances. Special provision has been made for merchant seamen under this scheme, in consultation with the two sides of the shipping industry, and I am satisfied that they are not unfairly treated.

Mr. Spearman

Does the Minister think that it would be more fair to these men if he could remit that portion of their contributions for which they can get no return?

Mr. Griffiths

No. That would be a complete departure from the scheme. We have discussed the special position of the seamen with the Mariners Board. We have made certain concessions for them. They are allowed sickness benefit and unemployment benefit while they are outside the country, and we remit a certain sum to the Mariners Board to be used for the welfare of seamen.

Mr. Driberg

Would my right hon. Friend point out the fallacy underlying this Question, since the National Health Service is not for the most part financed out of the weekly contributions to the National Insurance scheme? Since this fallacy is widespread—although it has been repeatedly exposed—could my right hon. Friend take steps to make the facts further known?

Mr. Griffiths

It has been pointed out, but I will look into it further.

Brigadier Prior-Palmer

Is the Minister aware that a seaman, in order to obtain his sickness benefit, has to appoint somebody at home to apply for it while he is abroad? Is the Minister further aware that there are many seamen who are not aware of that regulation, and would he publicise the fact so that no hardship may accrue?

Mr. Griffiths

This arrangement has been made after full consultation with both sides of the industry, and I think it is well known. I will discuss the matter with them further in order to find out whether further publicity should be given.