HC Deb 01 May 1947 vol 436 cc2148-50
8. Mr. Swingler

asked the Minister of Fuel and Power the total number of the staff employed at the London headquarters of the National Coal Board.

Mr. Shinwell

Staffing is a matter of management for which the National Coal Board are responsible. In view, however, of the recent statement in the Press that the headquarters staff of the Board had reached the alarming total of 11,000, the Board have asked me to let the House know the truth. The total of the clerical, administrative and professional staff employed in London is about 850, and this includes London staffs formerly engaged in coal industry activities of one kind or another now transferred to the Board, and the transferred staff of the Coal Commission.

Mr. Swingler

Will the Minister name the newspaper which has made these fantastic misrepresentations?

Mr. Shinwell

I should have thought that was obvious.

Colonel Crosthwaite-Eyre

Will the Minister take the opportunity to express—[HON. MEMBERS: "Express' is right."]—to the National Coal Board the deep satisfaction of the House at being allowed to know something of what is happening?

Mr. Shinwell

The trouble with certain hon. Members on the other side of the House is that when the truth is exposed they cannot stand it.

Mr. Marlowe

May we take it that the right hon. Gentleman is able to get information from the Coal Board when it is favourable to him, but that he is unable to get it when it is unfavourable?

Mr. Shinwell

Not at all. The hon. and learned Member is quite wrong. But when there is gross misrepresentation it is desirable to state the facts.

Mr. Sydney Silverman

Is my right hon. Friend aware of any reason to suppose that the newspaper in question, if it had gone to the Coal Board for information before printing its sensational misrepresentations, would have been denied the facts?

Mr. Shinwell

Of course that is a matter for the newspaper in question. If newspapers insist on obtaining information before they make themselves responsible for publication, it may affect their circulation.

Mr. Boyd-Carpenter

Arising out of the original answer, can the right hon. Gentleman give an assurance that information as to Coal Board staffs will in future be available, provided it is asked for from his own side of the House?

Mr. Shinwell

Oh, no. I am responsible to the requirements of the House in general; indeed, I must be, but it depends on the merits of the Question that is put to me.

Hon. Members

Oh.

Mr. Godfrey Nicholson

On a point of Order. The Minister says he will select the sort of Questions he will answer—[HON. MEMBERS: "No."]—according to his own choice. Are we not justified, Mr. Speaker, in asking for your protection in this matter?

Mr. Speaker

The Minister is responsible for Questions about the Coal Board and if he answers, he answers for a particular reason, I presume. It is not within my power to insist that he shall answer. I cannot interfere with his power.

Mr. Nicholson

Is there not something wrong—[HON. MEMBERS: "Yes.'']—after all, the Minister is a servant of the House—that he should be so selective in the sort of Questions he chooses to answer? It is quite understandable if he answers no Questions, or if he answers every Question, but it is not understandable that he should answer only those which are suitable to himself.

Mr. Speaker

It is not in my power to tell the Minister what Questions he should answer; that is not within my province.

Mr. Nicholson

I appeal to you, Sir, as guardian of the rights of Private Members. It is for the Government or the House to decide whether a Minister shall be entitled to answer Questions in regard to a certain body, but it is surely for you to protect us?

Mr. Speaker

It is for the House to say if a Minister is not efficient—[HON. MEMBERS: "We know that."]—it is entirely for the House, and not for me. If the House decide, they can deal with the Minister, but I cannot direct the Minister as to what Questions he should or should not answer, and the Minister is always entitled to refuse to answer.

26. Brigadier Mackeson

asked the Minister of Fuel and Power what instructions he has given to the National Coal Board in connection with the number of persons they employ on clerical and administrative duties.

Mr. Shinwell

I have given no instructions to the National Coal Board on the subject referred to.

Brigadier Mackeson

Does the Minister intend to take any steps to limit the numbers involved in view of the great shortage of manpower?

Mr. Shinwell

I gave an answer earlier which corrected some of these gross misrepresentations on the subject of the number of persons employed in the National Coal Board.

Brigadier Mackeson

That was not the question I asked. I asked whether the Minister was taking any steps to avert the danger.

Mr. Shinwell

I do not think there is any danger at all. I must leave these matters to the people on the National Coal Board.