HC Deb 29 March 1944 vol 398 cc1430-1
41. Sir H. Williams

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of War Transport why the L.P.T.B. was prohibited by him from publishing its working expenses.

Mr. Noel-Baker

I am advised that it would be contrary to the public interest to publish the working expenses of the London Passenger Transport Board.

Sir H. Williams

Is it not time that we now had some explanation as to why information cannot be published which cannot divulge any information to the enemy whatsoever?

Mr. Noel-Baker

I think the hon. Member makes a wrong assumption. I am assured by the competent authorities, whose advice I must accept, that it would divulge information of interest to the enemy.

Hon. Members

Why?

Mr. Shinwell

What is all this mystery about? How is it possible, if the working expenses of this Board are published, that the information can possibly afford any comfort to the enemy? Which particular item could afford such comfort? If there is any particular item which has to be undisclosed, let it be undisclosed.

Mr. Noel-Baker

We cannot publish some items and not others. I will furnish to my hon. Friends, if they desire it, the advice I have been given. In any case we cannot give the hon. Member the figures he desires, because there is no clearance with the main line companies of working expenses. We could not get the figures out.

Sir H. Williams

Then why say it is on grounds of security when it is on grounds of accountancy?

Mr. Noel-Baker

It is on both grounds.

Mr. Petherick

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that the profits of the main line railways are published? Is there any reason, as that does not seem to help the enemy, why the accounts of the London Passenger Transport Board should not be published?

Mr. Noel-Baker

Not their working expenses.

Sir O. Simmonds

Would the hon. Gentleman say whether the publication of this information would show the inefficiency of State control?

Mr. Noel-Baker

That consideration has nothing to do with it.

Mr. Shinwell

Could I ask my hon. Friend whether, in view of the obvious feeling of the House, he will reconsider this matter, and come forward with a statement?

Mr. Noel-Baker

Yes, Sir, I will certainly reconsider it, and if the hon. Member will put down a Question I will make another statement.

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