HC Deb 10 November 1943 vol 393 cc1145-7
62. Mr. Stokes

asked the Minister of Supply the type and name of British tanks, of which production is continued, mounting guns over 3-inch calibre, which are considered battleworthy?

The Minister of Supply (Sir Andrew Duncan)

It is clearly not in the public interest to give any such information.

Mr. Stokes

Does not the right hon. Gentleman think it a disgraceful thing in the fifth year of the war there is still no adequate British tank of the kind described in the Question?

Sir A. Duncan

I think that is a gross exaggeration in every respect.

Commander Locker-Lampson

Are not the Germans aware that these tanks are battleworthy?

Mr. Hammersley

Will the right hon. Gentleman lend the weight of his influence to the request that we should have a Debate in Secret Session, when all aspects of the matter could be considered?

63. Mr. Hammersley

asked the Minister of Supply whether the new Director-General of Tank Design and Development is now in charge of tank production?

Sir A. Duncan

No, Sir. But future arrangements are under consideration in view of the impending return to his firm of the present Director-General of Tank Production.

Mr. Hammersley

In view of the fact that the former Director-General of Research and Development has been sent to America and that my right hon. Friend has just informed us that the Director-General of Production has resigned, what are we to understand—

Mr. Speaker

The hon. Member is making a speech and not asking a question.

Mr. Hammersley

The question I am putting is, What has happened in the organisation that these two important people have left?

Sir A. Duncan

These two important people have not left on any ground of disagreement of any kind or description. The Director-General of Tank Production was loaned to us by his firm over a year ago, with a warning that there must be a time limit because of changes taking place in his firm, and it is with great public spirit that they have allowed us to keep his services as long as they have.

Mr. Stokes

Who is the Director-General of Tank Production?

Sir A. Duncan

Mr. A. Boyd.

Commander Agnew

Did I understand my right hon. Friend to say that the Crown was warned? Has not the Crown power of life and death?

Sir A. Duncan

Certainly the Crown has power of life and death. There is, however, no doubt that, unless for the purposes of our own production we regarded this as a reasonable thing, we should not allow it to happen.

Mr. Hammersley

Is it not desirable, in view of the fact that these two people have left the organisation now, that we should have an opportunity of discussing the matter in Secret Session?

Sir A. Duncan

Neither has yet left the organisation.

Mr. Stokes

Is it not a fact that Mr. Boyd is leaving out of complete disgust?

Sir A. Duncan

Certainly not. There is not a vestige of truth in that suggestion.

64. Mr. Hammersley

asked the Minister of Supply why, following a recent long distance comparative trial of British and American tanks, it is now found desirable to have a second trial?

Sir A. Duncan

These trials are not related to one another. Trials of tanks, including comparative performance tests, are constantly in progress as part of the normal development programme.

Mr. Hammersley

Is it not a gross waste of public money that there should have been a trial of these vehicles, and now there is going to be another, costing scores of thousands?

Sir A. Duncan

Trials play a very essential part in the production of these machines.