HC Deb 22 June 1943 vol 390 cc1005-6
57. Mr. Mathers

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, in view of the comparatively small proportion of old age and widows' pensions finance realised from individual as compared with Exchequer contributions and the inequity of requiring large fixed weekly payments from persons with widely different incomes, he will consider the abolition of individual contributions and provide the necessary funds from general taxation?

Sir K. Wood

This matter could not be dealt with apart from the Beveridge plan. As stated by my right hon. Friend the Lord President of the Council on 16th February last, the general lines of development of the social services laid down in the Beveridge Report, which is framed on a contributory basis, are those that the Government would wish to follow.

Mr. Mathers

Does my right hon. Friend realise that the object of this Question is to ask the Government not to close their minds to any means of financing the Beveridge proposals against the day when the large individual contributions that are necessary will come to be realised by those who have to pay them?

Sir K. Wood

Yes, Sir.

Mr. Shinwell

Is the right, hon. Gentleman still as enthusiastic as ever about the Beveridge plan?

Sir K. Wood

Absolutely.

Mr. Woodburn

May I ask the right hon. Gentleman, in considering this matter, to bear in mind his own very good example in dealing with the chattels scheme, when he did away with contributions and thus effected great economy and saving of money?

Sir K. Wood

Yes, Sir, I note that, and I also note that my hon. Friend asks the Government to pursue the Beveridge plan.

Mr. De la Bère

How can the Government close their minds, seeing that their minds have never been opened?