HC Deb 21 May 1940 vol 361 cc25-7
Mr. Speaker

Mr. Lees-Smith.

Mr. Lees-Smith

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Sir H. Williams

I understand that you are calling upon the right hon. Gentleman to ask a question about business? Before the right hon. Gentleman puts that question I should like to ask whether you are prepared to make any statement on whom will fall this responsibility and also whether you propose to make any statement with regard to the seating of parties in the House?

Mr. Speaker

I am making a statement on that matter later.

Sir H. Williams

I take it that you called upon the right hon. Gentleman to ask a question about business? May I ask in accordance with what arrangements the right hon. Gentleman is called upon to put that question?

Sir P. Harris

Is there not a precedent in the last war, when the senior Privy Councillor on the Front Bench, when there was a similar position, always asked the question about business?

Mr. Speaker

I think that is the case.

Mr. Thorne

Are you aware that we have no Opposition?

Viscountess Astor

Cannot the House of Commons realise that there is a war on?

Mr. N. Maclean

Has it not been intimated in the Press that the Conservative party is keeping its machinery intact and its official office going? Is there any reason, therefore, why the Labour Opposition should not do a similar thing and carry on?

Mr. Speaker

That is not a question for me.

Mr. Stephen

May I draw your attention to the fact that there is no precedent in the last war, because there was no Opposition in the House in the last war? In this case there is a distinct and organised Opposition.

Mr. Speaker

I was in the House in the last war and seem to remember some Opposition.

Mr. Maxton

My hon. Friend's point is that while there were Opposition Members in this House in the last war, as no doubt there are at the present time in several parts of the House, there was no distinct and separately organised Opposition to the Government in the House and in the country. On this occasion there is such an Opposition. [HON. MEMBERS: "Where?"] Here.

Mr. Speaker

I am quite willing to give a Ruling on the question of precedent if a Question is put to me.

Mr. Logan

Is it possible for you, Mr. Speaker, to define what is really a party in this House?

Mr. W. A. Robinson

This is the three card trick.

Sir William Davison

Is it not desirable that the House in these serious days should realise what the policy of the Government is before raising all these frivolous questions; and that if there is an opposition to the policy of the Government someone should be appointed to raise the questions?

Mr. Lees-Smith

May I ask the Prime Minister whether he has any statement to make about the Business of the House to-morrow?

The Prime Minister

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Sir H. Williams

Before the Prime Minister replies, may I put a point to you, Mr. Speaker? I raised a point of Order as to what person was authorised to ask questions on Business, and as a sequel the hon. Baronet the Member for South-West Bethnal Green (Sir P. Harris) pointed out that in the last war the senior Privy Councillor performed those functions in time of difficulty; and the senior Privy Councillor is not now asking the question. May I ask for your Ruling on this matter?

Mr. Speaker

The hon. Member must remember that we are working in what are certainly novel conditions, and it takes a certain amount of time to make arrangements. I would ask the hon. Member not to be so precipitate.

The Prime Minister

With regard to the Business of the House, to-morrow, as already announced, we shall take the Second Reading of the Treachery Bill. I think it is desirable that we should ask the House not only to take the Second Reading, but the Committee and remaining stages so that the Bill may become law as early as possible. It will also be necessary, in connection with the formation of the Local Defence Volunteer Force, to have a small Bill to amend the National Service (Armed Forces) Act. We shall ask leave to bring in this Bill to-morrow, and, in view of its urgency, we desire to pass it through all its stages on the same day. The text of the Bill will be made available to hon. Members as soon as the House meets to-morrow.