HC Deb 10 May 1939 vol 347 cc462-3
40. Mr. Paling

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how many native children in Kenya are attending grant-aided schools, and what fees are charged?

Mr. M. MacDonald

124,005 African children attended grant-aided schools in Kenya in 1938. Elementary school fees are fixed on a district basis and are related to economic conditions. A typical scale is: for boys, 50 cents—that is sixpence—a term rising to three shillings a term in the fifth year; and for girls, free tuition on entry, rising to two shillings a term in the fifth year.

41. Mr. Paling

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how many children have been turned out of the elementary schools in Kenya because of inability to continue to pay fees?

Mr. MacDonald

The Governor informs me that no cases have been brought to his notice of children being turned out of elementary schools owing to inability to pay fees. Government and mission schools reduce fees for poor pupils.

Mr. Paling

If I bring some cases to the right hon. Gentleman's notice, will he inquire into the matter?

Mr. MacDonald

Yes, Sir.

42. Mr. Paling

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how many elementary schools provided for the education of native children in Kenya receive a grant-in-aid from public funds; and whether such a grant is dependent upon fees being charged?

Mr. MacDonald

367 elementary schools received grants-in-aid in 1938. Grants are not dependent upon fees being charged, but aided schools are advised to charge fees.

Mr. Paling

Is it desirable to charge fees to children attending those schools when those fees have to be paid by parents who are, in the main, earning about 8s. a month?

Mr. MacDonald

There is a good deal of elasticity in the matter of fees. It has been found that in cases where fees can be charged, it enables the benefits of education to be spread over a wider population.

Mr. Paling

Is it really necessary when only about 16 per cent. of the children get any education at all, and when the parents are earning only 8s. a month, that they should have to pay these fees, in addition to heavy direct taxation?

Mr. MacDonald

Wages vary from district to district and, as my previous answer indicated, an allowance is made for poor parents.

Miss Wilkinson

Would not the Minister's answer do away with all free elementary education, if applied to this country; and if we give free elementary education here where wages are high, surely we can do something for these poorly-paid labourers in our own Empire?

Mr. MacDonald

It has not done away with free elementary education in Kenya.

Miss Wilkinson

Very nearly.

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