HC Deb 20 June 1939 vol 348 cc2017-21
Mr. Arthur Greenwood

Can the Prime Minister say what business he proposes to take to-day and has he any statement to make about Thursday's proceedings?

The Prime Minister (Mr. Chamberlain)

In regard to the business to-day, after the Motion relating to the National Memorial to His late Majesty King George the Fifth, we desire to complete the Committee stage of the Ministry of Supply Bill. Then we shall proceed with the Import Duties Orders, the Processed Milk Order and the Financial Resolution (Expenses of the Board of Education). If there is time, we hope to obtain the Second Reading of the Mining Industry (Amendment) Bill and of the Post Office and Telegraph (Money) Bill, together with the relative Money Resolutions. We must conclude the Committee stage of the Ministry of Supply Bill to-day, and we hope to make progress with other business without asking the House to sit late.

In reply to the second part of the question, I would like to make this statement to the House. Their Majesties the King and Queen return from their tour in Canada and the United States of America on Thursday. I desire to inform the House that at the beginning of business on that day I shall move a Motion for an Address to His Majesty.

I am sure it will be the wish of hon. Members to have the opportunity of taking part in the welcome to the King and Queen on their way to Buckingham Palace and, accordingly, I am consulting Mr. Speaker with regard to making the necessary arrangements for a temporary suspension of the sitting on Thursday evening. Members; will assemble on the pavements adjoining New Palace Yard and on the opposite side of the roadway. I will announce later the precise time of the suspension, which will probably be at 5.15 p.m., and we shall resume our business at 6 o'clock.

Mr. Benn

Is the Prime Minister aware that there is on the Paper for to-morrow a Motion to approve Orders-in-Council under the Military Training Act and the Reserve and Auxiliary Forces Act? In view of the fact that both these Orders are extremely complicated, one having 32 Clauses and two Schedules, and the other 22 Clauses and two Schedules, would the right hon. Gentleman not consider remitting these Orders in the first instance to a Select Committee as was done in another place yesterday, in order that the House may have some guidance? The subject matter of the Orders is not susceptible of being dealt with by a single answer "Yes" or "No," without examination.

Mr. Boothby

There is some doubt about whether these Orders come under the Military Training Act or not, and whether they are, properly speaking, matters consequent upon that Act. Discussion will probably be raised on that point, and I would rather like to support the contention of the right hon. Gentleman opposite that, in view of the complexity of the Orders and the constitutional issues involved, they should be sent, in the first instance, to a Select Committee.

The Prime Minister

I do not think we can compare the procedure in this House with the procedure in another place, which is quite different. With regard to the suggestion of the right hon. Gentleman, I have not had notice of it and I should like time to consider it.

Mr. Benn

I am much obliged to the Prime Minister, but he will be aware that in a Debate in which only one question is put and only one speech is allowed to each Member, it is very difficult to go into all the questions of detail involved, whereas under the arrangement in another place, members of the Government and officials of the Departments concerned appeared before their Lordships and explained the details.

Mr. Sandys

With regard to the reference to an Address of Welcome to Their Majesties, may I ask whether it is proposed to present that Address to Their Majesties when they pass on Thursday?

The Prime Minister

No, Sir.

Motion made, and Question put, That the Proceedings on Government Business be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[The Prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 262; Noes, 142.

Division No. 183.] AYES. [3.51 p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lt.-Col. G. J. Ellis, Sir G. Loftus, P. C.
Adams, S. V. T. (Leeds, W.) Elliston, Capt. G. S. MacAndrew, Colonel Sir C. G.
Albery, Sir Irving Emrys-Evans, P. V. Macdonald, Capt. P. (Isle of Wight)
Allen, Col. J. Sandeman (B'knhead) Entwistle, Sir C. F. McEwen, Capt. J. H. F.
Allen, Lt.-Col. Sir W. J. (Armagh) Errington, E. McKie, J. H.
Apsley, Lord Evans, Capt. A. (Cardiff, S.) Macnamara, Lieut.-Colonel J. R. J.
Assheton, R. Everard, Sir William Lindsay Macquisten, F. A.
Baillie, Sir A. W. M. Fildes, Sir H. Magnay, T.
Baldwin-Webb, Col. J. Findlay, Sir E. Maitland, Sir Adam
Barrie, Sir C. C. Fleming, E. L. Makins, Brigadier-General Sir Ernest
Baxter, A. Beverley Fox, Sir G. W. G. Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H, D. Ft.
Beamish, Rear-Admiral T. P. H. Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir J. Markham, S. F.
Beauchamp, Sir B. C. Gledhill, G. Marsden, Commander A.
Beaumont, Hon. R. E. B. (Portsm'h) Gluckstein, L. H. Mason, Lt.-Col. Hon. G. K. M.
Bennett, Sir E. N. Glyn, Major Sir R. G. C. Maxwell, Hon. S. A.
Bernays, R. H. Goldie, N. B. Medlicott, F.
Bird, Sir R. B. Grant-Ferris, Flight-Lieutenant ft. Mellor, Sir R. J. (Mitcham)
Blair, Sir R. Grattan- Doyle, Sir N. Mellor, Sir j. S. P. (Tamworth)
Boothby, R. J. G. Gretton, Col. Rt. Hon. J. Mills, Sir F. (Leyton. E.)
Bossom, A.C. Gridley, Sir A. B. Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest)
Boulton, W. W. Grimston, R. V. Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham)
Bower, Comdr. R. T. Guinness, T. L. E. B. Moore, Lieut.-Colonel Sir T. C. R.
Boyce, H. Leslie Gunston, Capt. Sir D. W Moore-Brabazon, Lt, Col. J. T.C.
Brass, Sir W. Hacking, Rt. Hon. Sir D. H. Moreing, A. C.
Briscoe, Capt. R. G. Hambre, A. V. Morgan, R. H. (Worcester, Stourbridge
Broadbridge, Sir G. T. Hammersley, S. S. Morris, O. T. (Cardiff, E.)
Brooke, H. (Lewisham, W.) Hannah, I. C. Morris Jones, Sir Henry
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Newbury) Hannon, Sir P. J. H Morrison, G. A. (Scottish Univ's.)
Browne, A. C. (Belfast, W.) Harvey, T. E. (Eng. Univ's.) Morrison, Rt. Hon. W. S. (Cirencester)
Bull, B. B. Haslam, Henry (Horncastle) Munro, P.
Bullock, Capt. M. Heilgers, Captain F. F. A. Neven-Spence, Major B. H. H.
Burgin, Rt. Hon. E. L. Hely-Hutchinson, M. R. Nicolson, Hon. H. G.
Butcher, H. W. Heneage, Lieul.-Colonel A. P O'Neill, Rt. Hon. Sir Hugh
Cartland, J. R. H. Hepburn, P. G. T. Buchan Orr-Ewing, I. L.
Carver, Major W. H. Hepworth, J. Palmer, G. E. H.
Cayzer, Sir C. W. (City of Chester) Herbert, Lt.-Col. J. A. (Monmouth) Peake, O.
Cazalet, Capt. V. A. (Chippenham) Higgs, W. F. Peat, C. U.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. N. (Edgb't'n) Hoare, Rt. Hon. Sir S. Perkins, W. R. D.
Channon, H. Holdsworth, H. Peters, Dr. S. J.
Chapman, Sir S. (Edinburgh, S.) Holmes, J. S. Pickthorn, K. W. M.
Clarke, Colonel R. S. (E. Grinstead) Hopkinson, A. Pilkington, R.
Colman, N. C. D. Hore-Belisha, Rt. Hon. Pownall, Lt.-Col. Sir Assheton
Cook, Sir T. R. A. M. (Norfolk, N.) Horsbrugh, Florence Radford, E. A.
Cooke, J. D. (Hammersmith, S.) Hudson, Rt. Hon. R. S. (Southport) Ramsay, Captain A. H. M.
Cooper, Rt. Hn. A. Duff (W'st'rS.G'gs) Hulbert, Squadron-Leader N. J. Ramsbotham, Rt. Hon. H.
Cooper, Rt. Hon. T. M. (E'burgh, W.) Hunloke, H. P. Rankin, Sir R.
Courthope, Col. Rt. Hon. Sir G. L. Hunter, T. Rathbone, J. R. (Bodmin)
Cox, H. B. Trevor Hurd, Sir P. A. Rawson, Sir Cooper
Croft, Brig.-Gen. Sir H. Page Hutchinson, G. C. Reed, A. C. (Exeter)
Crooke, Sir J. Smedley Inskip, Rt Hon. Sir T. W. H. Reed, Sir H. S. (Aylesbury)
Crookshank, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. F. C. James, Wing-Commander A. W. H. Reid, J. S. C. (Hillhead)
Cross, R. H. Jarvis, Sir J. J. Remer, J. R.
Cruddas, Col. B. Jennings, R. Rickards, G. W. (Skipton)
Culverwell, C. T. Joel, D. J. B. Robinson, J. R. (Blackpool)
Davidson, Viscountess Jones, L. (Swansea W.) Rosbotham, Sir T.
Davison, Sir W. H. Kerr, Colonel C. I. (Montrose) Ross Taylor, W. (Woodbridge)
De Chair, S. S. Kerr, Sir J. Graham (Scottish Univ.) Rowlands, G.
De la Ben, R. Knox, Major-General Sir A. W. F. Royds, Admiral Sir P. M. R.
Denman, Hon. R. D. Lamb, Sir J. Q. Ruggles-Brise, Colonel Sir E. A.
Denville, Alfred Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. Russell, Sir Alexander
Doland, G. F. Lancaster, Captain C. G. Russell, S. H. M. (Darwen)
Donner, P. W. Leech, Sir J. W. Salmon, Sir I.
Drewe, C. Leighton, Major B. E. P. Salter, Sir J. Arthur (Oxford U.)
Dugdale, Captain T. L. Levy, T. Samuel, M. R. A.
Duggan, H. J. Lewis, O. Sandeman, Sir N. S
Duncan, J. A. L. Liddall, W. S. Sanderson, Sir F. B
Dunglass, Lord Lipson, D. L. Sandys, E. D.
Eastwood, J. F. Little, J. Schuster, Sir G. E.
Eckersley, P. T. Llewellin, Colonel J. J. Scott, Lord William
Edmondson, Major Sir J. Lloyd, G. W. Shaw, Captain W. T. (Forfar)
Elliot, Rt. Hon. W. E. Locker-Lampion, Comdr. O. S. Shepperson, Sir E. W.
Simmonds, O. E. Sueter, Rear-Admiral Sir M. F. Warrender, Sir V.
Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir J. A. Suteliffe, H. Watt, Lt.-Col. G. S. Harvie
Smiles, Lieut.-Colonel Sir W. D. Tate, Mavis C. Wedderburn, H. J. S.
Smith, Bracewell (Dulwich) Taylor, C. S. (Eastbourne) Wells, sir Sydney
Smith, Sir R. W. (Aberdeen) Thomas, J. P. L. Whiteley, Major J. p. (Buckingham)
Smithers, Sir W. Thorneycroft, G. E. P. Wickham, Lt.-Col. E. T. R.
Somervell, Rt. Hon. Sir Donald Thornton-Kemsley, C. N. Williams, C. (Torquay)
Somerville, Sir A. A. (Windsor) Touche, G. C. Williams, Sir H. G. (Croydon, S.)
Southby, Commander Sir A. R. J. Train, Sir a. Wise, A, R.
Spears, Brigadier-General E. L. Tree, A. R. L. F. Womersley, Sir W. J.
Stanley, Rt. Hon. Oliver (W'm'l'd) Tryon, Major Rt. Hon. G. C. Wright, Wing-commander J. A. C.
Stewart, J. Henderson (Fife, E.) Tufnell, Lieut.-Commander R, L. York, C.
Storey, S. Turton, R. H. Young, A. S. L. (Partick)
Stourton, Major Hon. J. J. Wakefield, W. W.
Strauss, H. G. (Norwich) Wallace, Capt. Rt. Hon. Euan TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Strickland, Captain W. F. Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull) Captain Waterhouse and Mr. Furness.
Stuart, Lord C. Crichton- (N'thw'h) Ward, Irene M. B. (Wallsend)
Stuart, Rt. Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn) Wardlaw-Milne, Sir J. S.
Acland, Sir R. T. D. Griffiths, G. A. (Hemsworth) Parker, J.
Adams, D. (Consett) Griffiths, J. (Llanelly) Parkinson, J. A.
Adams, D. M. (Poplar, S.) Groves, T. E. Pethick-Lawrence, Rt. Hon. F. W.
Adamson, Jennie L.(Dartford) Hall. G. H. (Aberdare) Pools, C. C,
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (H'lsbr.) Hall, J. H. (Whitechapel) Price, M P.
Ammon C. G. Hardie, Agnes Richards, R. (wrexham)
Anderson, F. (Whitehaven) Harris, Sir P. A. Ridley. G
Barnes, A. J. Hayday, A. Ritson, J.
Barr, J. Henderson, A. (Kingswinford) Roberts, W. (Cumberland, N.)
Batey, J. Henderson, J. (Ardwick) Robinson, W. A. (St. Helens)
Beaumont, H. (Batley) Henderson, T. (Tradeston) Rothschild, J. A. de
Bellenger, F. J. Hills, A, (Pontefract) Sanders, W. S.
Benn, Rt. Hon. W. W. Hopkin, D. Sexton, T. M.
Benson, G. Jagger, J. Shinwell, E.
Bromfield, W. Jenkins, A. (Pontypool) Silkin, L.
Brown, C. (Mansfield) Jenkins, Sir W. (Neath) Silverman, S. S.
Buchanan, G. John, W. Sinclair, Rt. Hon. Sir A. (C'thn's)
Burke, W. A. Johnston, Rt. Hon. T. Sloan, A.
Cape, T. Jones, A. C. (Shipley) Smith, Ben (Rotherhithe)
Charleton, H. C. Jones, Sir H. Hayan (Merioneth) Smith, E. (Stoke)
Cluse, W. S. Kennedy, Rt. Hon. T. Smith, Rt. Hon. H. B. Lees- (K'ly)
Cooks, F. S. Kirby, B. V. Smith, T. (Normanton)
Collindridge, F. Kirkwood, D. Sorensen, R. W.
Cove, W. G. Lansbury, Rt. Hon. G. Stephen, C.
Daggar, G. Lathan, G. Stewart, W. J. (H'ght'n-le-Sp'ng)
Dalton, H. Lawson, J. J, Stokes, R. R.
Davidson, J. J. (Maryhill) Leach, W. Strauss, G. R. (Lambeth, N.)
Davies, S. O. (Merthyr) Lee, F. Taylor, R. J. (Morpeth)
Day, H. Leonard, W. Thorne, W.
Dobbie, W. Leslie, J. R. Thurtle, E.
Dunn, E. (Rother Valley) Lagan, D. G. Tinker, J. J.
Ede, J. C. Lunn, W. Viant, S. P.
Edwards, A. (Middlesbrough E.) Macdonald, G. (Ince) Walker, J.
Edwards, Sir C. (Bedwellty) McEntee, V. La T. Watkins, F. C.
Evans, D. O. (Cardigan) McGhee, H. G. Watson, W. McL.
Evans, E. (Univ. Of Wales) McGovern, J. Welsh, J. C.
Fletcher, Lt.-Comdr. R. T. H. MacLaren, A. Westwood, J.
Frankel, D. Maclean, N. White, H. Graham
Gallacher, W. Mander, G. la M. Whiteley, W. (Blaydon)
Gardner, B. W. Marshall, F. Wilkinson, Ellen
Garro Jones, G. M. Maxton, J. Williams, E. J. (Ogmore)
George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) Messer, F. Williams, T. (Don Valley)
George, Megan Lloyd (Anglesey) Montague, F. Wilson, C. H. (Attercliffe)
Gibbins, J. Morrison, Rt. Hon. H. (Hackney, S.) Windsor, W. (Hull, C.)
Green, W. H. (Deptford) Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) Woods, G. S. (Finsbury)
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. Naylor, T. E. Young, Sir R. (Newton)
Grenfell, D. R. Noel-Baker, P. J.
Griffith, F. Kingsley (M'ddl'sbro, W.) Paling, W. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Mr. Mathers and Mr. Adamson.

Question put, and agreed to.