HC Deb 05 June 1939 vol 348 cc12-5
19. Sir P. Harris

asked the Prime Minister how many Italian troops have been withdrawn since the victory march of Madrid; and how many Italian troops are still in Spain?

6. Mr. David Grenfell

asked the Prime Minister whether he has any statement to make on the situation in Spain?

16. Mr. White

asked the Prime Minister whether he can now state what progress has been made towards the settlement of claims for loss of life, personal injuries and damage to British shipping by Spanish forces during the war in Spain?

Mr. Butler

The situation in Spain is steadily returning to normal. Five German ships left Vigo for Germany on 26th May, having embarked some 6,000 officers and men of the Condor Legion. On 31st May and 1st June, nine transports left Cadiz with approximately22,000 Italian troops, and only a small proportion remain. The necessary machinery has been established in the Foreign Office for the examination of all claims—other than commercial claims, which are being dealt with by the Board of Trade. Some outstanding claims are being collected by organisations such as the Chamber of Commerce for Spain and the necessary decisions will be taken when they are submitted to the Foreign Office. The system of safe-conducts for persons wishing to enter Spain, which had caused much delay and inconvenience and which has been the subject of representations by His Majesty's Government was recently abolished in favour of a normal visa system which it is hoped will work more rapidly and smoothly.

Sir P. Harris

Would the right hon. Gentleman kindly say whether guns and equipment are being evacuated at the same time as men, or are they being left behind in depots?

Mr. Butler

Some war material has been returned, but a considerable quantity has been handed over to the Spanish Government.

Sir A. Sinclair

Is not that contrary to the Anglo-Italian Agreement and assurances?

Mr. Butler

There is nothing to prevent the Italian Government selling war material or giving it to the Spanish Government.

Sir A. Sinclair

Does it not say that the troops with their war material would be withdrawn?

Mr. Davidson

On a point of Order. In view of the fact that the House was given a definite assurance by the Prime Minister that he would answer on all questions of major importance, can we ask the Prime Minister to reply to this question?

Mr. Deputy-Speaker

If the hon. Member wants to ask a question other than that on the Paper, which is not in order as a supplementary, he must put it on the Order Paper.

Mr. Benn

Is it not a fact that the Prime Minister gave an assurance that he would himself answer all questions of major importance on foreign affairs?

Mr. Deputy-Speaker

That is not a matter for me.

Mr. Greenwood

May I ask the Undersecretary, as the Prime Minister is 10th to reply, whether it is not the case that an impression was definitely created on all sides of the House that the withdrawal of men implied also the immediate withdrawal of material?

Mr. Butler

I think the position is clear. I have stated that certain war material has been withdrawn and that certain war material has not been withdrawn. All that the Anglo-Italian Agreement said in the exchange of letters was that all Italian war material would be withdrawn. There is nothing in it to stop the Italians either selling or giving war material to the Spanish Government.

Mr. Greenwood

In these circumstances is it not the case that the Government have seriously misled this House in this matter?

Mr. Butler

I would not say so at all. Naturally, we should wish that all material should go back, but there is nothing to prevent the Italian Government selling or giving war material to the Spanish Government.

Sir A. Sinclair

It is a breach of the Agreement.

Mr. Greenwood

May I press the Undersecretary? Is it not the case that the Government definitely stated that the understanding was that war material would be withdrawn with the troops, and if that is not being done, is not that a breach of the undertaking given to the House?

Mr. Butler

The Anglo-Italian Agreement related to Italian war material, and certain war material has been withdrawn with the Italian troops. The Italian Government have at the same time given, or rather, I believe, sold other war material to the Spanish Government and we have no means of preventing them from doing that.

Brigadier-General Sir Henry Croft

May I ask whether the right hon. Gentleman can now assure the House that the fear that there are sufficient troops, German or Italian, left in Spain to coerce the Spanish nation no longer exists?

Mr. Butler

I have given the numbers of Italian and German troops which have left Spain.

Sir A. Sinclair

Is it not the fact that the Prime Minister has been duped again?

Mr. Herbert Morrison

Are we to understand that His Majesty's Government have decided to acquiesce in what is a deliberate breach of undertaking on the part of the Government of Italy?

Mr. Butler

I cannot accept the position as stated by the right hon. Gentleman. I have stated the facts which it is my duty to put before the House. The facts are that certain war material has been withdrawn and certain war material has been sold to the Spanish Government. I am not called upon to approve any such action.

Mr. Noel-Baker

Is not this one more verbal quibble such as we have had from the beginning?

Mr. G. Strauss

Can the Under-Secretary explain how it was that the week before the House adjourned the Prime Minister, in answer to a question which I put, said he was satisfied that all Italian war material had been or would be withdrawn?

Mr. Butler

Italian war material has been withdrawn with the troops, but some has been sold or given to the Spanish Government.

Lieut.-Commander Fletcher

I beg to give notice that I shall raise this matter on the Adjournment.