HC Deb 19 May 1938 vol 336 cc553-4
21. Mr. Ellis Smith

asked the Minister of Labour if he will state the approximate saving to the Exchequer by the administration of the means test since its operation?

Mr. E. Brown

No, Sir. I dealt fully with this question in a reply to the hon. Member for Bishop Auckland (Mr. Dalton) on 16th July, 1936, of which I am sending the hon. Member a copy.

Mr. Dalton

Has not the right hon. Gentleman looked into this matter again, and is he able to give an answer to this very simple question?

Mr. Brown

I have not only looked into it but have seen it at work for two years, and the result is that everything I have said to the hon. Member has proved in practice to have been accurate.

Mr. E. Smith

In view of the fact that the right hon. Gentleman has said he is pleased to give information, will he also consider a reply to this question?

Mr. Brown

If the hon. Member will read the answer he will find that it is very long, with a lot of information in it.

Mr. Lawson

How is it that in the first year's working of the means test the right hon. Gentleman was able to give an answer, and is not able to do so now?

Mr. Brown

The hon. Member is wrong, I have given an answer and a very long one. What is wanted is a very precise answer to a question which it is not possible to answer in this form. I have given an answer which covered the whole considerations, which are many and weighty.

Mr. Leach

Is the right hon. Gentleman ashamed of the figures?

Mr. Brown

Not at all, proud of them.