HC Deb 09 June 1936 vol 313 cc75-85

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill."

5.16 p.m.


We should not allow this Clause to stand part of the Bill unless we have a much more adequate explanation from the Chancellor than he has given us, to satisfy ourselves that this is not merely a piece of pure Protection. There is no reason for Protection for the brewing industry, which is one of the most profitable industries in the country. Why should Protection be given to that industry merely to enable it to increase its profits? I happen to have received in the post this morning an investment communication from a stock and share company, and I turned up, out of curiosity, the list of brewery companies to see how they were doing. I found, in the first few I looked at, that £1 worth of stock stood at 133s., 132s., 87s., 46s., and so on respectively, right through the list of the brewery companies. They are all making money at the present time and paying very large dividends on their ordinary shares, which stand anywhere from one and a-half times to five times premium. On what grounds is the Chancellor giving Protection to an industry like that? I hope that he will give us an explanation.

5.17 p.m.


It is clear that this tax is protective and is not simply a revenue tax. It is not even a very high one, because the amount of revenue which will be received is about £27.000. It is not a tax on all beer, but upon lager beer, which, as everybody knows, is produced better abroad than here. There is no doubt that Pilsener beer—the German beer—and the Danish lager beer are better than the lager beer which is produced here. Therefore this tax is pure Protection against other countries. I do not see that the money which will result will be of much advantage to the Exchequer. The tax will give Protection to the one trade in this country which is not asking for it, and certainly does not need it.

5.18 p.m.

Viscountess ASTOR

I cannot follow the last speaker in his analysis of which beer is best, but I agree that if there is one trade which does not need Protection it is the brewery trade, and I hope that that is not the argument for this Clause. I know the Chancellor of the Exchequer has done his best for the brewers in times past. The social effect of these taxes has not been of great benefit to the country though they may have helped the Chancellor. I say to the Chancellor in all seriousness that it is no good the Government spending millions of pounds a year in trying to reduce the number of accidents and at the same time increasing in any way the drinking which, as we all know, has a great deal to do with motoring accidents. In the last two or three days I have come across information showing how appalling the position is and how a great deal of it is entirely caused by over-indulgence. I beg the Chancellor of the Exchequer to tell us why he has brought this Clause in and whether it is to protect the brewing industry. I would remind the House that the brewing industry is one of the few industries in the world in which the Government have to discourage, not increase, the production. The others are opium and drugs. Now about milk—[Interruption]—



Viscountess ASTOR

I would ask the Chair to protect me from interruptions.


The Noble Lady must not provoke interruptions. She has already gone rather beyond the point and is now about to deal with milk, which is getting much too far away from the question before the Committee.

Viscountess ASTOR

I should have thought that drink included everything, milk as well. I want to ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer for an explanation. The last man I should like to vote against would be the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and I hate to find myself in such mixed company while doing so. I should like to have an explanation that it is not the desire of the Chancellor to protect the one trade which needs no Protection, and has been a menace to the country ever since it was invented. It is one of the richest, and I would say—but perhaps I had better not say it.

5.23 p.m.


I welcome the tax on lager beer, as a drinker of that beverage from time to time. The tax is desirable for just the reason for which the hon. Member for Berwick-on-Tweed (Sir H. Seely) disagrees with it. In the case of the ordinary member of the public on going into a shop it ought not to be necessary for him to have before him the suggestion: "Do not buy that; it is unpatriotic. Support British labour and British production, and help your own country." That is a matter for the Government to decide. The hon. Member for Berwick-on-Tweed may prefer Pilsener beer, but we should not be put into the position, when we want a glass of it, of feeling that we may be unpatriotic in not supporting home industry. It is the duty of the Government to put a tax on foreign goods or beverages of the proper amount to level them up with the beverages which are produced in our own country. We ought to be able to have a foreign article or beverage knowing that we are paying something extra towards the taxes of the country in doing so, and that is the reason why I welcome the duty. When I have had a glass of the foreign beer, I have always felt a certain amount of guilt for not supporting home industry, but I shall now be able to have a half-pint or a pint of it knowing that the Chancellor of the Exchequer has put upon it enough tax to level it up with the beer produced in this country. It is a very good principle to go upon, and I hope that the Chancellor of the Exchequer will stick to it.

Viscountess ASTOR

If we could persuade the hon. Member that it was better for the country that he should drink milk, would he drink milk?


I am very fond of milk and would like to drink it, but it is not good for me.

5.25 p.m.


The Clause has given the Noble Lady an opportunity of saying something against the drink trade. I can assure her, after experience of lager beer, both imported and home-produced, that motoring accidents are not much due to the kind of lager beer which the Chancellor of the Exchequer is proposing to tax. It is very good beer, and it is probably better when drunk abroad than when it is drunk at home. The taxation of imported lager beer is not appropriately done through the Budget. If the Chancellor of the Exchequer felt it necessary to put a tax upon it, that should have been done through the Import Duties Advisory Committee and not by means of the Finance Bill for the year. It may, of course, be due to the Chancellor's insularity that he believes that home-produced beer is much better than the foreign beer, upon which he is proposing to put the tax, and if that is so I have nothing more to say, but perhaps we shall hear from the Chancellor why he is proposing the tax.


I support the Chancellor of the Exchequer, but I would like to ask a question regarding the tax. Hon. Gentlemen have referred to foreign beer. May I ask whether any undertaking has been given that, when the brewers have received this concession, they will use British materials, so that the term "foreign beer" cannot be used because the beer will be a British product produced from British barley?

5.26 p.m.


I had great difficulty in following the arguments of the speakers who objected to the tax because the breweries were making large profits. That seems to be a very strong argument for cheaper beer but not necessarily an argument for drinking foreign beer. One hon. Gentleman said he was very hopeful that this was not a tax for the purpose of Protection, but many of us hope that it is. In the past we may not have produced suitable lager beer in this country, but we may be able to do so by means of this Protection, and it is assumed that that is the object of the tax. I sincerely hope that that is the object which the Chancellor of the Exchequer has in view. I do not know anything about the brewing trade or whether it is possible to make lager beer in this country as well as they do abroad, but one way of proving whether we can do so may be this tax.

5.28 p.m.


I think hon. Members are viewing this matter out of proportion to its due importance. The tax affects only a very small number of people and a very small production of beer. So far as I can discover, there are six breweries producing lager beer in this country, and the whole amount brewed until this year did not exceed about 100,000 barrels per annum. This year the quantity may be in excess of that amount, but the matter is a very small one. The Committee may like to know that I am not concerned in any way with this product and that I am not speaking for my own brewery. The returns show a large importation of beer by far the greater part of which comes from the Dominions, and particularly from the Irish Free State and Dublin. Since the change was made to the new constitution, that beer is classed as Dominion beer. Foreign imported beer is included in the total of the same return.

Hon. Members are making a mountain out of a molehill. The tax is intended to encourage the production of lager beer in this country. The importations of foreign beer have shown a tendency to increase. Some hon. Members seem to think that lager beer is very light, but competent analysts find that it contains more alcohol than it is generally reputed to contain. The Chancellor has taken the right course in encouraging the production of lager beer in this country, so that those who wish to drink it may be encouraged to drink lager beer of British production. There is nothing more in the matter than that. Hon. Members who try to make out that this is a great concession to the brewing industry, and desire to make it a matter of temperance propaganda, are entirely wide of the mark, and it is rather characteristic that they should make exaggerated statements without any attempt to learn what the real facts of the case are.

5.32 p.m.


Some of the observations that have been made on this Clause seemed to indicate an idea, on the part of the hon. Members who have made them, that this is a measure of protection for brewers and breweries as a whole. The remarks of my right hon. and gallant Friend the Member for Burton (Colonel Gretton) must, I think, have dispelled any illusion of that kind, and it is only necessary for me to add, to what my right hon. and gallant Friend said, that, while the production of lager beer in this country amounted in 1935 to about 114,000 barrels, the production of other British beer amounted to 22,000,000 barrels. It will be seen, therefore, that it is a very small matter. I should be very sorry if my Noble Friend the Member for the Sutton Division of Plymouth (Viscountess Astor) should find it necessary to vote against me on this or any other occasion. If I explain that she has fallen into a slight error about the nature of lager beer, perhaps she will be able to support me on this occasion as on previous occasions. Evidently my Noble Friend thought that what may be called light beers are less likely to cause that cerebral disturbance which may be set down as a cause of road accidents, but, if she will try for herself the effect of lager beer, she will find that its alcoholic strength is not less than that of other beers, and, therefore, I am sure she will be very glad to know that a tax is proposed, even though of a moderate character, upon its importation.

Some hon. Members have denounced this proposal on the ground that it is a piece of pure Protection, but it is precisely on that ground that I recommend it to the Committee. We are now a protectionist country; we have introduced a general tariff; and the only reason why I am obliged to deal with this matter in the Budget, instead of allowing it to be dealt with through the Import Duties Advisory Committee, is that under the Statute that body cannot deal with a commodity which is already the subject of a Revenue duty. It is because producers of lager beer have been put in what I must call a prejudiced position owing to the fact that they are not able to make to the Committee the application that other industries can make, and have their case examined, that I have had to make this proposal in the Budget. I see no reason at all why this particular industry should be excluded from the general rule which applies to other importations.

The hon. Member for Berwick (Sir H. Seely) said that foreign lager beer was better than English lager beer. That may be so; I am not an expert on the subject; I dare say he is quite right; but, if that is to be used as an argument, exactly the same argument could be used about any other commodity. The experience is that, with the protection afforded by the tariff, British manufacturers have so improved the quality of their products that in many respects they are not only equal to foreign products, but actually excel them in quality and favour in the markets. I hope that this moderate amount of protection which is to be given to those who produce lager beer will enable them so to improve their product that the hon. Member will be able in future to drink British lager beer with just as much satisfaction as he now drinks German or Danish. I do not think that hon. Members need be afraid that this is going to add unduly to the brewers' profits, in view of the figures I have given, but. I think it will give an amount of encouragement which will increase employment in certain branches of the brewing industry. With reference to the question of my hon. Friend the Member for Stone (Sir J. Lamb) about British barley, no doubt the Brewers' Society will consider themselves covered as re- gards the production of lager beer, by the general promise which they gave me some time ago.

Viscountess ASTOR

Have they kept it?


I have very much pleasure in saying that, so far as I understand, the Brewers' Society have kept to that promise. They have very much increased their purchases of British barley, and, although the quality of the barley has to be taken into account, and is, I understand, influenced considerably by climatic conditions, which vary from year to year, they are doing their best to increase the proportion of British barley which they use in the production of their beer. I hope, therefore, that this moderate proposal may now go forward without further delay.


I understand that the brewers of lager beer are included in the general undertaking given by the other brewers of this country, and that they have been using their best endeavours to carry it out as regards their purchases of British barley.


May I ask the right hon. Gentleman whether my interpretation is correct, that the only reason why this duty has been introduced is that this is a. small product which has not been protected, and, therefore, he wanted to round off his complete scheme of Protection? Is it introduced simply on the theoretical ground that he wants to increase the amount of Protection in this country, or is there any reason, in the industry itself or anywhere else, that would justify the introduction of the tax?


The hon. Member suggests that this proposal is introduced for theoretical reasons, but that is not the case at all. The reason is a practical one, namely, that the policy of Protection, to the moderate extent to which we have hitherto applied it, is a good thing for the country, and I do not see why any particular product should be excepted from the general rule because it is not possible for the industry under the Act to make application in the ordinary way to the Import Duties Advisory Committee.

Question put, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 241; Noes, 124.

Division No. 214.] AYES. [5.7 p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lt.-Col. G. J. Bllndell, Sir J Cartland, J. R. H.
Adams, S. V. T. (Leeds, W.) Bossom, A. C. Cary, R. A.
Agnew, Lieut.-Comdr. P. G. Boulton, W. W. Cautley, Sir H. S.
Albery, I. J. Bowater, Col. Sir T. Vansittart Cayzer, Sir C. W. (City of Chester)
Allen, Lt.-Col. J. Sandeman (B'kn'hd) Bower, Comdr. R. T. Cayzer, Sir H. R. (Portsmouth, S.)
Amery, Rt. Hon. L. C. M. S. Boyce, H. Leslie Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.)
Anderson, Sir A. Garrett (C. of Ldn.) Briscoe, Capt. R. G. Cazalet, Capt. V. A. (Chippenham)
Apsley, Lord Brocklebank, C. E. R. Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. Sir A. (Br. W.)
Assheton, R. Brown, Col. D. C. (Hexham) Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. N. (Edgb't'n)
Astor, Vlsc'tess (Plymouth, Sutton) Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Newbury) Channon, H.
Atholl, Duchess of Browne, A. C. (Belfast, W.) Chapman, A. (Rutherglen)
Baldwin-Webb, Col. J. Bullock, Capt. M. Chapman, Sir S. (Edinburgh, S.)
Balniel, Lord Burgin, Dr. E. L. Chorlton, A. E. L.
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Burton, Col. H. W. Christie, J. A.
Bernays, R. H. Butler, R. A. Clarry, Sir Reginald
Blair, Sir R. Campbell, Sir E. T. Collins, Rt. Hon. Sir G. P.
Colville, Lt.-Col. D. J. Hudson, R. S. (Southport) Rathbone, J. R. (Bodmln)
Cook, T. R. A. M. (Norfolk, N.) Hulbert, N. J. Rawson, Sir Cooper
Cooke, J. D. (Hammersmith, S.) Hume, Sir G. H Rayner, Major R. H.
Cooper, Rt. Hn. A. Duff (W'st'r S.G'gs) Hunter, T. Reed, A. C. (Exeter)
Cooper, Rt. Hn. T. M. (E'nburgh, W.) Hurd, Sir P. A. Remer, J. R.
Courthope, Col. Sir G. L. Jackson, Sir H. Rickards, G. W. (Skipton)
Craddock, Sir R. H. James, Wing-Commander A. W. Ross Taylor, W. (Woodbridge)
Craven-Ellis, W. Jarvis, Sir J. J. Runciman, Rt. Hon. W.
Croft, Brig.-Gen. Sir H. Page Joel, D. J. B. Russell, A. West (Tynemouth)
Crookshank, Capt. H. F. C. Jones, L. (Swansea, W.) Russell, R. J. (Eddisbury)
Crowder, J. F. E. Keeling, E. H. Russell, S. H. M. (Darwen)
Cruddas, Col. S. Kerr, H. W. (Oldham) Salt, E. W.
Davison, Sir W. H. Kerr, J. Graham (Scottish Univs.) Samuel, Sir A. M. (Farnham)
Dawson, Sir P. Kirkpatrick, W. M. Sandys, E. D.
De Chair, S. S. Lamb, Sir J. Q. Selley, H. R.
Conner, P. W. Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. Shakespeare, G. H.
Drewe, C. Latham, Sir P. Shaw, Major P. S. (Wavertree)
Duckworth, G. A. V. (Salop) Law Sir A. J. (High Peak) Shepperson, Sir E. W.
Dugdale, Major T. L Law, R. K. (Hull, S.W.) Shute, Colonel Sir J. J.
Duggan, H. J. Leighton, Major B. E. P. Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir J. A.
Duncan, J. A. L. Levy, T. Smith, Sir R. W. (Aberdeen)
Dunglass, Lord Lewis, O. Smithers, Sir W.
Dunne, P. R. R. Lindsay, K. M. Somerset, T.
Eckersley, P. T. Lloyd, G. W. Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Elliot, Rt. Hon. W. E. Loftus, P. C. Southby, Comdr. A. R. J.
Emmott, C. E. G. C. Lovat-Fraser, J. A. Spender-Clay, Lt.-Ct. Rt. Hn. H. H.
Erskine Hill, A. G. Lumley, Capt. L. R. Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Fylde)
Flldes, Sir H. Lyons, A. M. Stanley, Rt. Hon. Oliver (W'm'l'd)
Fox, Sir G. W. G. Mac Andrew, Colonel Sir C. G. Storey, S.
Furness, S. N. MacDonald, Rt. Hn. J. R. (Scot. U.) Stourton, Major Hon. J. J.
Ganzonl, sir J. Macdonald, Capt. P. (Isle of Wight) Strauss, H. G. (Norwich)
Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir J. McEwen, Capt. J. H. F. Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Gledhill, G. McKie, J. H. Sueter, Rear-Admiral Sir M. F.
Gluckstein, L. H. Macnamara, Capt. J. R. J. Sutcliffe, H.
Glyn, Major Sir R. G. C. Maitland, A. Tasker, Sir R. I.
Goodman, Col. A. W. Makins, Brig.-Gen. E. Tate, Mavis C.
Gower, Sir R. V. Manningham-Butler, Sir M. Taylor, Vice-Adm. E. A. (Padd., S.)
Graham, Captain A. C. (Wirral) Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R. Thomas, J. P. L. (Hereford)
Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. Mason, Lt.-Col. Hon. G. K. M. Thomson, Sir J. D. W.
Gretton, Col. Rt. Hon. J. Mayhew, Lt.-Col. J. Titchfleld, Marquess of
Gridley, Sir A. B. Mellor, Sir J. S. P. (Tamworth) Touche, G. C.
Grimston, R. V. Mills, Sir F. (Leyton, E.) Tree, A. R. L. F.
Guest, Hon. I. (Brecon and Radnor) Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest) Turton, R. H.
Guest, Maj. Hon. O.(C'mb'rw'll, N.W.) Moore, Lieut.-Col. T. C. R. Wakefield, W. W.
Guinness, T. L. E. B. Moreing, A. C. Wallace, Captain Euan
Guy, J. C. M. Morgan, R. H. Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull)
Hacking, Rt. Hon. D. H. Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. Ward, Irene (Wallsend)
Hamilton, Sir G. C. Morrison, G. A. (Scottish Unlv's.) Wardlaw-Milne, Sir J. S.
Hanbury, Sir C. Morrison, W. S. (Cirencester) Warrender, Sir V.
Hannah, I. C. Muirhead, Lt.-Col. A. J. Waterhouse, Captain C.
Hannon, Sir P. J. H. Munro, P. Wayland, Sir W. A.
Harbord, A. Nicolson, Hon. H. G. Wells, S. R.
Hartington, Marquess of O'Connor, Sir Terence J. Wickham, Lt.-Col. E. T. R.
Haslam, Sir J. (Bolton) Orr-Ewing, I. L. Williams, H. G. (Croydon, S.)
Hellgers, Captain F. F. A. Palmer, G. E. H. Wilson, Lt.-Col. Sir A. T. (Hitchin)
Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel A. P. Patrick, C. M. Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel G.
Hepburn, P. G. T. Buchan. Peake, O. Wise, A. R.
Herbert, Major J. A. (Monmouth) Penny, Sir G. Withers, Sir J. J.
Herbert, Captain S. (Abbey) Peters, Dr. S. J. Womersley, Sir W. J.
Hills, Major Rt. Hon. J. W. (Ripon) Pethorick, M. Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Holmes, J. S. Pilkington, R. Young, A. S. L. (Partick)
Hope, Captain Hon. A. O. J. Pownall, Sir Assheton
Hore-Bellsha, Rt. Hon. L. Radford, E. A. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Horne, Rt. Hon. Sir R. S. Ramsay, Captain A. H. M. Major George Davies and Lieut.-
Horsbrugh, Florence Ramsbotham, H. Colonel Llewellin.
Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hack., N.) Ramsden, Sir E.
Acland, Rt. Hon. Sir F. Dyke Brown, Rt. Hon. J. (S. Ayrshire) Dunn, E. (Rother Valley)
Acland, R. T, D. (Barnstaple) Burke, W. A. Edwards, Sir C. (Bedwellty)
Adams, D. (Consett) Cape, T. Evans, E. (Univ. of Wales)
Adams, D. M. (Poplar, S.) Chater, D. Fletcher, Lt.-Comdr. R. T. H.
Adamson, W. M. Cluse, W. S. Gallacher, W.
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (H'lsbr.) Clynes, Rt. Hon. J. R. Gardner, B. W.
Anderson, F. (Whitehaven) Compton, J. Green, W. H. (Deptford)
Attlee, Rt. Hon. C. R. Cove, W. G. Grenfell, D. R.
Banfield, J. W. Cripps, Hon. Sir Stafford Griffith, F. Kingsley (M'ddl'sbro, W.)
Barnes, A. J. Daggar, G. Griffiths, G. A. (Hemsworth)
Barr, J. Dalton, H. Griffiths, J. (Llanelly)
Batey, J. Davies, D. L. (Pontypridd) Groves, T. E.
Ballenger, F. Davies, R. J. (Westhoughton) Hall, G. H. (Aberdare)
Benson, G. Davies, S. O. (Merthyr) Hall, J. H. (Whitechapel)
Bevan, A. Day, H. Hardle, G. D.
Bromfield, W. Dobble, W. Harris, Sir P. A.
Henderson, A. (Kingswinford) Mathers, G. Simpson, F. B.
Henderson, J. (Ardwick) Maxton, J. Sinclair, Rt. Hon. Sir A. (C'thn's)
Henderson, T. (Tradeston) Messer, F. Smith, Ben (Rotherhithe)
Hills, A. (Pontefract) Montague, F. Smith, E. (Stoke)
Hopkin, D. Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) Smith, Rt. Hon. H. B. Lees- (K'ly)
Jagger, J. Naylor, T. E. Smith, T. (Normanton)
Jenkins, A. (Pontypool) Oliver, G. H. Sorensen, R. W.
Jenkins, Sir W. (Neath) Paling, W. Stewart, W. J. (H'ght'n-le-Sp'ng)
Johnston, Rt. Hon. T. Parker, J. Strauss, G. R. (Lambeth, N.)
Jones, A. C. (Shipley) Parkinson, J. A. Taylor, R. J. (Morpeth)
Kelly, W. T. Pethick-Lawrence, F. W. Thorne, W.
Kennedy, Rt. Hon. T. Potts, J. Thurtle, E.
Kirby, B. V. Price, M. P. Tinker, J. J.
Lansbury, Rt. Hon. G. Riley, B. Viant, S. P.
Lathan, G. Ritson, J. Walker, J.
Leonard, W. Roberts, W. (Cumberland, N.) Watkins, F. C.
Leslie, J. R. Robinson, W. A. (St. Helens) White, H. Graham
Logan, D. G. Rothschild, J. A. de Williams, D. (Swansea, E.)
Lunn, W. Rowson, G. Williams, E. J. (Ogmore)
Macdonald, G. (Ince) Seely, Sir H. M. Williams, T. (Don Valley)
McGhee, H. G. Sexton, T. M. Wilson, C. H. (Attercliffe)
Maclean, N. Shinwell, E. Windsor, W. (Hull, C.)
MacNelli, Weir, L. Short, A.
Marklew, E. Silkin, L. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Marshall, F. Silverman, S. S. Mr. Whiteley and Mr. John.
Division No. 215.] AYES. 15.40 p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lt.-Col. G. J. Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir J. Muirhead, Lt.-Col. A. J.
Adams, S. V. T. (Leeds, W.) Gledhill, G. Munro, P.
Agnew, Lieut.-Comdr. P. G. Gluckstein, L. H. Nicolson, Hon. H. G.
Albery, I. J. Glyn, Major Sir R. G. C. O'Connor, Sir Terence J.
Allen, Lt.-Col. J. Sandeman (B'kn'hd) Goodman, Col. A. W. Orr-Ewing, I. L.
Amery, Rt. Hon. L. C. M. S. Gower, Sir R. V. Palmer, G. E. H.
Anderson, Sir A. Garrett (C. of Ldn.) Graham, Captain A. C. (Wirral) Patrick, C. M.
Apsley, Lord Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. Penny, Sir G.
Aske, Sir R. W. Gretton, Col. Rt. Hon. J. Peters, Dr. S. J.
Assheton, R. Gridley, Sir A. B. Petherick, M.
Astor, Visc'tess (Plymouth, Sutton) Grimston, R. V. Pilkington, R.
Astor, Hon. W. W. (Fulham, E.) Guest, Hon. I. (Brecon and Radnor) Pownall, Sir Assheton
Atholl, Duchess of Guest, Maj. Hon. O.(C'mb'rw'll, N.W.) Radford, E. A.
Baldwin-Webb, Col. J. Guinness, T. L. E. B. Ramsay, Captain A. H. M.
Balfour, G. (Hampstead) Guy, J. C. M. Ramsden, Sir E.
Balfour, Capt. H. H. (Isle of Thanet) Hacking, Rt. Hon. D. H. Rathbone, J. R. (Bodmin)
Balneil, Lord Hamilton, Sir G. C. Rawson, Sir Cooper
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Hanbury, Sir C. Reed, A. C. (Exeter)
Bernays, R. H. Hannah, I. C. Remer, J. R.
Blair, Sir R. Hannon, Sir P. J. H. Rickards, G. W. (Skipton)
Blindell, Sir J. Harbord, A. Ross Taylor, W. (Woodbridge)
Boothby, R. J. G. Haslam, H. C. (Horncastle) Runciman. Rt. Hon. W.
Bossom, A. C. Haslam, Sir J. (Bolton) Russell, A. West (Tynemouth)
Boulton, W. W. Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel A. P. Russell, R. J. (Eddisbury)
Bowater, Col. Sir T. Vansittart Hepburn, P. G. T. Buchan- Russell, S. H. M. (Darwen)
Bower, Comdr. R. T. Herbert, Major J. A. (Monmouth) Salt, E. W.
Boyce, H. Leslie Herbert, Captain S. (Abbey) Samuel, Sir A. M. (Farnham)
Briscoe, Capt. R. G. Hills, Major Rt. Hon. J. W. (Ripon) Sandys, E. D.
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Holmes, J. S. Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir P.
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Newbury) Hope, Captain Hon. A. O. J. Selley, H. R.
Browne, A. C. (Belfast, W.) Hore-Belisha, Rt. Hon. L. Shakespeare, G. H.
Bullock, Capt. M. Horsbrugh, Florence Shaw, Major P. S. (Wavertree)
Burgin, Dr. E. L. Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hack., N.) Shepperson, Sir E. W.
Burton, Col. H. W. Hudson, R. S. (Southport) Shute, Colonel Sir J. J.
Campbell, Sir E. T. Hulbert, N. J. Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir J. A.
Cartland, J. R. H. Hume, Sir G. H. Smith, Sir R. W. (Aberdeen)
Cary, R. A. Hunter, T. Smithers, Sir W.
Cautley, Sir H. S. Hurd, Sir P. A. Somerset, T.
Cayzer, Sir C. W. (City of Chester) Jackson, Sir H. Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Cayzer, Sir H. R. (Portsmouth, S.) Jarvis, Sir J. J. Southby, Comdr, A. R. J.
Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.) Joel, D. J. B. Spender-Clay, Lt.-Cl. Rt. Hn. H. H.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. Sir A. (Br. W.) Jones, L. (Swansea, W.) Spens, W. P.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. N (Edgb't'n) Kerr, H. W. (Oldham) Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Fylde)
Channon, H. Kerr, J. Graham (Scottish Univs.) Stanley, Rt. Hon. Oliver (W'm't'd)
Chapman, A. (Rutherglen) Kirkpatrick, W. M. Stewart, J. Henderson (Fife, E.)
Chapman, Sir S. (Edinburgh, S.) Lamb, Sir J. Q. Storey, S.
Chorlton, A. E. L. Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. Stourton, Major Hon. J. J.
Christie, J. A. Latham, Sir P. Strauss, H. G. (Norwich)
Colfox, Major W. P. Law, Sir A. J. (High Peak) Strickland, Captain W. F.
Collins, Rt. Hon. Sir G. P. Law, R. K. (Hull, S.W.) Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Colville, Lt.-Col. D. J. Leighton, Major B. E. P. Sueter, Rear-Admiral Sir M. F.
Cook, T. R. A. M. (Norfolk, N.) Levy, T. Sutcliffe, H.
Cooke, J. D. (Hammersmith, S.) Lewis, O. Tasker, Sir R. I.
Cooper, Rt. Hn. A. Duff (W'st'r S.G'gs) Lindsay, K. M. Taylor, Vice-Adm. E. A. (Padd., S.)
Cooper, Rt. Hn. T. M. (E'nburgh, W.) Lloyd, G. W. Thomson, Sir J. D. W.
Courthope, Col. Sir G. L. Loftus, P. C. Titchfield, Marquess of
Craddock, Sir R. H. Lovat-Fraser, J. A. Touche, G. C,
Croft, Brig.-Gen. sir H. Page Lumley, Capt. L. R. Train, Sir J.
Crookshank, Capt. H. F. C. Mabane, W. (Huddersfield) Tree, A. R. L. F.
Crowder, J. F. E. MacAndrew, Colonel Sir C. G. Tryon, Major Rt. Hon. G. C.
Cruddas, Col. B. McCorquodale, M. S. Turton, R. H.
Davies, C. (Montgomery) MacDonald, Rt. Hn. J. R. (Scot. U.) Wallace, Captain Euan
Davison, Sir W. H. Macdonald, Capt. P. (Isle of Wight) Ward, Lieut.-col. Sir A. L. (Hull)
Dawson, Sir P. McEwen, Capt. J. H. F. Ward, Irene (Wallsend)
De Chair, S. S. McKie, J. H. Wardlaw-Milne, Sir J. S.
Denman, Hon. R. D. Macnamara, Capt. J. R. J. Warrender, Sir V.
Donner, P. W. Maitland, A. Waterhouse, Captain C.
Drewe, C. Manningham-Buller, Sir M. Wayland, Sir W. A.
Duckworth, G. A. V. (Salop) Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R. Wells, S. R.
Dugdale, Major T. L. Mason, Lt.-Col. Hon. G. K. M. Wickham, Lt.-Col. E. T. R.
Duncan, J. A. L. Maxwell, S. A. Williams, H. G. (Croydon, S.)
Dunglas, Lord Mayhew, Lt.-Col, J. Wilson, Lt.-Col. Sir A. T. (Hitchin)
Dunne, P. R. R. Meller, Sir R. J. (Mitcham) Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel G.
Eastwood, J. F. Mellor, Sir J. S. P. (Tamworth) Withers, Sir J. J.
Eckersley, P. T. Mills, Sir F. (Leyton, E.) Womersley, Sir W. J.
Emmott, C. E. G. C. Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest) Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Emrys-Evans, P. V. Moore, Lieut.-Col. T. C. R. Young, A. S. L. (Partick)
Erskine Hill, A. G. Moreing, A, C.
Flldes, Sir H. Morgan, R. H. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Fox, Sir G. W. G. Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. Major George Davies and Lieut.-
Furness, S. N. Morrison, G. A. (Scottish Univ's.) Colonel Llewellin.
Ganzoni, Sir J, Morrison, W. S. (Cirencester)
Acland, Rt. Hon. Sir F. Dyke Griffiths, J. (Llanelly) Pethick-Lawrence, F. W.
Acland, R. T, D. (Barnstaple) Hall, G. H. (Aberdare) Potts, J.
Adams, D. (Consett) Hall, J. H. (Whitechapel) Price, M. P.
Adams, D. M. (Poplar, S.) Hardie, G. D. Pritt, D. N.
Adamson, W. M. Harris, Sir P. A. Riley, B.
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (H'lsbr.) Henderson, A. (Kingswinford) Ritson, J.
Ammon, C. G. Henderson, J. (Ardwick) Robinson, W. A. (St. Helens)
Anderson, F. (Whitehaven) Henderson, T. (Tradeston) Rothschild, J. A. de
Attlee, Rt. Hon. C. R. Hills, A. (Pontefract) Rowson, G.
Banfield, J. W. Jagger, J. Salter, Dr. A.
Barnes, A. J. Jenkins, A. (Pontypool) Seely, Sir H. M.
Barr, J. Jenkins, Sir W. (Neath) Sexton, T. M.
Batey, J. Johnston, Rt. Hon. T. Shinwell, E.
Bellenger, F. Jones, A. C. (Shipley) Short, A.
Benson, G. Jones, J. J. (Silvertown) Silkin, L.
Bevan, A. Kelly, W. T. Silverman, S. S.
Bromfield, W. Kennedy, Rt. Hon. T. Simpson, F. B.
Brown, Rt. Hon. J. (S. Ayrshire) Lansbury. Rt. Hon. G. Sinclair, Rt. Hon. Sir A. (C'thn's)
Burke, W. A Lathan, G. Smith, Ben (Rotherhithe)
Cape, T. Leonard, W. Smith, E. (Stoke)
Chater, D. Leslie, J. R. Smith, Rt. Hon. H. B. Lees- (K'ly)
Cluse, W. S. Logan, D. G. Smith, T. (Normanton)
Clynes, Rt. Hon. J. R. Lunn, W. Sorensen, R. W.
Compton, J. Macdonald, G. (Ince) Stewart, W. J. (H'ght'n-le-Sp'ng)
Cove, W. G. McEntee, V. La T. Strauss, G. R. (Lambeth, N.)
Cripps, Hon. Sir Stafford McGhee, H. G. Taylor, R. J. (Morpeth)
Daggar, G. MacLaren, A. Thorne, W.
Dalton, H. Maclean, N. Thurtle, E.
Davies, D. L. (Pontypridd) MacNeill, Weir, L. Tinker, J. J.
Davies, R. J. (Westhoughton) Mainwaring, W. H. Viant, S. P.
Davies, S. O. (Merthyr) Markiew, E. Walker, J.
Day, H. Marshall, F. Watkins, F. C.
Dobbie, W. Mathers, G. White, H. Graham
Dunn, E. (Rother Valley) Maxton, J. Whiteley, W.
Edwards, Sir C. (Bedwellty) Messer, F. Williams, D. (Swansea, E.)
Evans, D. O. (Cardigan) Montague, F. Williams, E. J. (Ogmore)
Evans, E. (Univ, of Wales) Morrison, Rt. Hon. H. (Ha'kn'y, S.) Williams, T. (Don Valley)
Gallacher, W. Morrison, R C. (Tottenham, N.) Wilson, C. H. (Attercliffe)
Gardner, B. W. Naylor, T. E. Windsor, W. (Hull, C.)
Green, W. H. (Deptford) Oliver, G. H.
Grenfell, D. R. Paling, W. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Griffith, F. Kingsley (M'ddl'sbro, W.) Parker, J. Mr. Groves and Mr. John.
Griffiths, G. A. (Hemsworth) Parkinson, J. A.

Clause 3 ordered to stand part of the Bill.