HC Deb 29 May 1935 vol 302 cc1186-205

6.5 p.m.


I beg to move, in page 68, line 7, to leave out from "house," to the endof the Schedule, and to insert: the aggregate for all the rooms in the house obtained in accordance with the following conditions and table:

  1. (1) In any dwelling-house containing more than two rooms, one room, being the living-room, shall not be counted in assessing the number of persons permitted to occupy the dwelling. Should any doubt arise as to which room is the living-room, then that room deemed by the inspector to be most suitable for the living-room shall be taken as such.
  2. (2) The permitted number of persons in any dwelling-house shall in no case exceed the numbers for which the living-room will provide at least two hundred and fifty cubic feet of airspace for each adult, and at least one hundred and twenty-five cubic feet air space for each child;
  3. (3) In computing the permitted number of persons in any dwelling no regard shall be had to any room having a floor area of less than fifty square feet.
  4. (4) Subject to the above conditions, the number of persons for which each room may count shall be determined as follows:

Where the floor area of the room is— The number of persons counted shall be—
150 square feet
110 square feet 2
90 square feet
65 square feet 1
50 square feet ½

Notes.—The space shall be calculated by multiplying the nett area by the height of the room, up to but not exceeding a height of 9feet."

I do not intend to keep the House more than a few minutes, because we discussed the proposed Amendment to the Schedule in Committee, and this is the second attempt to persuade the right hon. Gentleman to give a more generous definition of overcrowding. Far the first time we are attempting by Act of Parliament to get a universal overcrowding standard applicable to the whole country. Our experience has not been in favour of applying a common standard. Our recent experience in regard to unemployment regulations does not seem to support the wisdom of such action'. On the contrary, the effect is that you apply a low standard and that is what this Schedule does. It applies a low standard as to working-class accommodation, and housing reformers throughout the country are most distressed. I would particularly call attention to paragraph (c) in the Schedule which provides that in a house of three rooms there maybe five persons, but I would remind the House and the right hon. Gentleman that two children under 10 only count as one person.

Take a typical dwelling in a working-class area with three rooms containing four adults and two children under 10. That would be six persons living in a three-roomed dwelling. One of those three rooms would almost certainly be the living room, where people cook and carry on their social life from one year's end to the other. Owing to the lack of facilities which exist at the present time in many cases in the average working-class dwelling the living room, sometimes called the kitchen, will contain two beds for two young children. When the children come from the elementary schools tired after their work, or from their play in the streets, they will have to sleep in the kitchen where perhaps father is having his supper and where mother is carrying on the ordinary house hold work. Those two children will have to share that room with adults. I suggest that after three years' effort to work out a solution of this great problem of over crowding it is unfortunate that in an Act of Parliament we are going to fix such a low standard. What we are trying to do in this Amendment is to exclude the living room in any ordinary dwelling for sleeping purposes, and that in counting the accommodation we should disregard one room in the house, the living room. To put beds in the living room, in the kitchen, is bad and a recognition of a very low standard which we ought not to recognize in an Act of Parliament. I hope the right hon. Gentle man will admit the error of his way and the badness of this Schedule and will accept the very reasonable standard suggested in my Amendment.

6.10 p.m.


I beg to second the Amendment.

We all know the difficulty of the Minister in this matter. It is that there is such an appalling amount of very serious overcrowding in some of our big towns that it will mean a tremendous lot of work in rehousing and building if we are to deal with the worst cases. Therefore, he has to put his standard low. As we are coming towards the end of the Bill I should not like the House to be under any misapprehensions as to the effect that the Bill is going to have in districts where force of circumstances have not compelled people to live under such terrible conditions as are usually found in London and other large centres but yet where there is a good deal of overcrowding under the ordinary existing standards in those districts. I refer more particularly to the country areas. I have been looking into the conditions in different parts of Devonshire and Corn wall and discussing with the housing committee of my county council, of which I happen to be chairman, the proposals of this Bill as regards particularly the county of Devon. The county medical officer has made inquiries as to the effect which the proposals in the Bill will have. I admit that in towns like Bradford, Barnstaple, Ilfracombe or Tiverton there are here and there in courts and yards, tenements and small houses where over crowding will take place, and in the countryside there will still be consider able overcrowding.

When we come to the proposals in the Bill and see how they will work extra ordinarily little will happen. I am not thinking now of the two or three roomed tenements but the ordinary country cottages of four or five rooms with a floor area of 130 square feet. I have looked into my own cottages and find that the more modern ones.are over that standard but the older ones come under the standard. Taking a house with an average floor space of 110square feet or more you get a standard of accommodation in a five roomed cottage without its being overcrowded. There might be 10persons over 10 years of age in such a cottage, and eight of such persons might be adults and four might be children. Or there might be four adults in two families, each family with six children, living in one house. There could be four grown up people and 12 children under 10years of age and two babies. That would not be considered to bean overcrowded house and no proposal would be made for re placing it or abating the overcrowding.

That is an ordinary normal thing in country villages, and there is no doubt that that sort of case will occur and everybody concerned, including the medical officers, would say that it would be a very good thing if we could take one of these families out and leave the cottage to the other. Yet the Bill will not touch that case. Therefore, it seems to me that the practical proposal not to count the living room would make a tremendous difference, because it would mean a definite reduction in the number of people allowed to live in a house. We do not want to lay too heavy a stress on these matters at this time, when an agreement has been made as to the time that is to be occupied to-day, but I do want to impress on hon. Members who care for the country side the fact that this Bill is going to have extraordinary little effect there. When I raised this matter in Committee, the right hon. Member for Horsham (Earl Winterton) said that he would accept my statement in regard to the district I knew, but that in parts of the Home Counties which he knew there had been such an invasion from the towns, cottages being bought up and tenants turned out of their homes, that the Bill would have a very good effect. So much the better; but the normal country district, thank goodness, is not being crowded out in that way by people from the towns. Everyone will agree that overcrowding exists which the Bill will not help very much unless the Amendment be accepted.


There are several Amendments in the names of the right hon. Member for Wakefield (Mr. Greenwood) and the hon. and gallant Member for South East Leeds (Major Milner) dealing with the housing standard, and I suggest that it would be better to discuss them all on the present proposal. If that is convenient to the House, that is the best way of doing it.

6.18 p.m.


I think the House will agree, in view of the limited time we have, that that would be the best arrangement, although we might want to have a Division on one or two of our proposals. I have spoken strongly against the standard of overcrowding in the Bill, and as we are now leaving the Report stage it is important that we should again emphasise the difficulties which many of us feel in regard to the standard as proposed in the Bill. We supported this Amendment in Committee, and have now put down a series of Amendments in order to improve the standard. The real difficulty I feel is that if we put into an Act of Parliament a standard which has a certain legal effect, under which landlords can be proceeded against, we are establishing in law a standard which may be anti-social in its effects. I have particulars here of a four-room house, a living room and three bedrooms. The living room has 150 square feet, one bedroom, 112 square feet, another bed room 91 square feet and another bedroom 51 square feet. It just creeps into the standard. Under the Schedule that house, without being regarded as overcrowded, could accommodate 7½ persons, seven adults and one child under 10 years of age, or two adults and 11 children under 10 years of age. It might, indeed, be a baby farm, with one widow and 13 children. In the case of these three-bedroom houses, quite apart from size, it would be possible to get hundreds of different variants and sizes of families, and to put 7½ persons into a house with three bedrooms is at the best a very low standard for the House to accept.

I realise the difficulties of the right hon. Gentleman in dealing with this aspect of housing, but the House would be well advised to accept the standard suggested by the Amendment, or the standard suggested by the Amendments in the names of hon. Members on this side, because once Parliament commits itself to the standard in the Bill, it will degrade and demoralise the people who are engaged on housing programmes whether under private enterprise or by local authorities. As we have thrashed out this matter in Committee, I should have hoped that the right hon. Gentle man would have been prepared to with draw the Schedule and introduce a new one in another place on a higher standard than this, and, if the standard is not immediately practicable, allow a time limit to local authorities. That would be reasonable. It may bet hat the standard we should like cannot be attained in the next two or three years, but it would be much preferable to establish a standard which hon. Members can de fend in the country, even if we give a time limit to local authorities, rather than hang around the necks of hon. Members and local authorities a standard of overcrowding of which this country will be ashamed within the next two years. I hope that the right hon. Gentleman will act reasonably. I am certain that hon. Members opposite realise as much as we do that this particular proposal to establish in arithmetical terms a standard of overcrowding is a dangerous one, and that in this new experiment it would be far better not to make a close definition of overcrowding as is proposed by the Schedule.

6.22 p.m.


I certainly cannot think of any proposal less attractive than the one last made by the right hon. Member for Wakefield (Mr. Greenwood). I cannot imagine any proposal which would so disappoint the legitimate expectations of the country as a whole that something practical was going to be done to deal with overcrowding, as that we should lay down a standard which is incapable of realisation, and, on reflection, I think the right hon. Member will agree that it is far better to pass a Bill which we can make effective at once. Through out all the long-proceedings on the Bill the Government have resisted any increase in the standard as they have also resisted any reduction in the accommodation. The reason for that is that the standard inserted in the Bill, after the most prolonged and careful inquiry of the housing position in the country through all the available witnesses and evidence, is the practical standard which is capable of being realised by progressive action now, according to the methods designed by the Bill. It is a standard which it is possible to achieve as a penal standard, and I must emphasise that condition.

The hon. Member for South-West Bethnal Green (Sir P. Harris) has re- ferred to the danger of national standards. I agree, but is not the greatest danger that of having a standard which is too high to be applicable? We must beware particularly of that danger. I would emphasise the difference between the penal standard and there housing standard. The right hon. Member for Wakefield says that we should not put a standard into law which is not the ideal we want. This is not the only standard; we have another standard, are housing standard. All rehousing work done, all new accommodation provided, will be pro vided not on this penal minimum standard but on the rehousing standard, which is higher. We must realise that the standard we are now discussing is nothing more or less than a penal standard which is to apply to all the oldest and worst housing accommodation in the country, and must also have clearly in our minds that we are working towards the rehousing standard laid down by law. We are collecting as it were behind us a kind of fortification, beyond which we are not going in relation to the penal standard of accommodation applicable to old and bad housing accommodation. With regard to the anomalies referred to by the right hon. Member, my impression is that they will not work out just as he suggested, if he considers the effect of the provisions in the Bill relating to the size of rooms, the separation of the sexes and the provision that local authorities can excuse a room whichis not habitually used as a sitting room.

Let me turn to the interesting observations made by the right hon. Member for North Cornwall (Sir F. Acland) on the subject of the rural population. As he would expect, I cannot accept his statement that the penal standard in the Bill will not come down on a great deal of accommodation in rural areas. According to my information and the statistics available to me, there is a very substantial amount of overcrowding in rural areas which will fall below the penal standard, and I understand that the right hon. Gentleman with his usual can dour recognises that this is so. But he says that there are areas in which the state of accommodation comes just above the standard in the Bill, but which never the less should be looked upon as over crowding and unsatisfactory. I agree. I accept the testimony of the right hon. Gentleman in regard to the part of the country with which he is so well acquainted; there are such conditions, but I say that if they are so bad that they fall below the standard then, if you consider that the men, women and children in these houses enjoy more air, more space and freer exercise than the people in the towns, you have conditions which are decidedly better than those with which it is imperative we should deal in the large city areas.

I do not think that the right hon. Member for North Cornwall made allowances for the effect of the sex separation clause, which will bring within the net of these reforms many cases which would not come in merely under the provisions with regard to space. But when we are considering the enormous volume of work which we are going to throw upon the housing administration of the country in dealing with overcrowding, I think we may be content to leave, for the present at any rate, such areas as those to which reference has been made, where the conditions are admittedly by no means so bad as in the urban areas. I repeat now what I said with profound conviction on a previous occasion, that if you are going to make this Bill effective from the word "Go," you must have a standard of general application and a standard upon which you can base widespread practical efforts at once. I hope and believe that when we have gone forward with the great work of providing additional accommodation, as the standards are raised at a future date some successor of mine will be able to stand at this Box and say that the time has come for the enactment of a general increase in the penal standard of accommodation.

6.32 p.m.


I do not want to say anything with regard to the general standards laid down under Schedule 1. But I want to say a few words on one point which appears to rue to be very important indeed. Throughout the discussions of the Bill the Minister has seemed to be under the impression' that in laying down over crowding standards consideration need only be given to the area of the rooms as measured in square feet. I suggest that a very important factor in any standard of overcrowding is the height of the room, and that it is as important as the area of the room. That is ignored in this Schedule. In other words it is not only a problem of square feet; it is a problem of cubic feet just as much. As we know, there are all over the country large numbers of houses which have been converted from occupation by one family and are now being used by two or three families, and it is a very common thing for one family to live in the attics of an old house in which most of the rooms haves loping roofs and the average height of the rooms is well below that of the normal habit able room in which we desire everyone to live. I have therefore put on the Paper an Amendment which provides that the height factor should be taken into consideration.

The proposal I make is certainly reason able, and I am not certain that it is stringent enough. It is that the average height of the room should be measured. Where it falls below eight feet the area of the floor should in the calculations be increased by a similar proportion. In effect, we say that you allow two people to sleep in a room which is 110 square feet, and if the room is low and one portion of it may be seven feet or six feet high, then instead of insisting that there should be 110square feet for these two people there should be more square feet to compensate for the lack of height. The definite proposal is that where the height of a room is found to be seven-feet six, or six inches below eight feet, the area of the floor space should be in creased from 110 square feet to 127 square feet as space in which two people can sleep. It may sound complicated, but in practice it works out very simply indeed. I do not insist on this formula, but what I do insist is that in laying down any standard of overcrowding, penal or other wise, the height factor should betaken into consideration. No standard is a fair or useful standard without it and, although the Minister may say that he can deal with it afterwards by regulation, we contend that if the House is laying down a standard for overcrowding in this Bill, it should be a complete standard, and that most definitely the height factor should be taken into account. I hope that my Amendment will be accepted later, or that the Minister will give adequate reason for not accepting it.

6.36 p.m.


We are discussing what I believe to be one of the most important parts of the Bill, dealing with over crowding. In some of the London divisions, for example, in Paddington and Kensington, we have what I can only describe as shocking death and disease rates, and all the experts say that the principal cause is overcrowding. If I understood the Minister aright, in rejecting this improvement of the overcrowding yardstick he used the argument that he does not regard the Schedule as pro viding an ideal standard, but that the chief point in its favour is that it is capable of realisation now. If the Minister believes that this standard is going to be realised almost immediately I am certain he is going to be a bitterly disappointed man in the near future. I do not believe that the standard will be realised in London in the next five years, and I do not think that anyone else who has studied London housing conditions believes it either.

I represent one of the better divisions in London, neither very poor nor wealthy, a division inhabited mainly by the best type of working-class people. In North Hammersmith where, generally speaking we have no slums, a recent survey has shown that there are more than 20,000 people living in overcrowded conditions. To remedy the overcrowding in this better-off London division, 4,000to 5,000 new houses or flats would be required. No one thinks that the conditions are going to be remedied in the next four or five years. But if we approve of the better yardstick, if we put in a more reasonable standard for determining overcrowding, I agree that it is going to postpone the amelioration perhaps another year. Personally, if I have to choose between waiting five years for this low standard to conquer over crowding and waiting six or seven years for a reasonable standard, I would rather wait a year longer for a decent social yardstick than have this second-rate and very poor standard within five years.


Is not the effect of the Amendment entirely to alter the measurement from, a superficial basis to a cubic basis?


There are several factors. If the hon. Member will read the series of Amendments on the Paper he will see that they provide for a general improvement and lifting of the standard. In West London, I dare say, the average tenement or home is a three-roomed flat containing a kitchen, a living room and one bedroom. Under the standard in this Schedule in that small flat you could have a man, his wife and seven children, and that would be perfectly legitimate. No one proposes, I presume, putting children in a kitchen to sleep. I know that in the North of England most people regard sleeping in a living room as wrong and anti-social. But even using the living room and the bedroom for sleeping in this typical London flat, it is obviously a shockingly low standard that cannot be justified by any thinking Member of this House.

6.43 p.m.

Lieut.-Colonel HENEAGE

I would refer again to the rural aspect of the problem, which has not been dealt with adequately so far. We in the country do not approve entirely of very large rooms. One reason is that they are extremely cold and cold is worse for health than lack of cubic feet. We have tried out a great many different kinds of cottages in the country, and those with low roofs are generally more popular than those with high roofs, because they do not cause chills, and on the whole I think the health of the inhabitants is better in the cottages with low roofs. I prefer a square foot basis to a cubic foot basis. The Amendment suggests the wrong principle for the country districts. Health in the country could be helped more by open windows. If the Amendment had concentrated on window space there would have been far more reason init. On the east coast of Lincolnshire if you concentrated on more cubic space you would get worse health than if you concentrated on large floor space, with perhaps sloping roofs, but plenty of window space. I shall oppose the Amendment.

6.44 p.m.


At least one Conservative might say something on the factor of the total cubic space of a room. We are laying down from absolutely necessity a very low standard, and a mere floor standard is not sufficient where you have sloping roofs. I make this request to the Minister. If the insertion of such a standard as we might desire is going to do the Bill any harm, or if it is hopeless to carry out such a standard, then, of course, he cannot put it into the Bill; but would it not be possible, in another place, to have some figure inserted which will make it essential to have a certain cubic capacity for every person? I realise that we are laying down a certain standard in the Bill, apart from the height of the room, and I welcome the fact and I would ask the Minister not to pay any heed either to members of the Socialist party or to members of the Liberal party who ask him to put off this reform for a year or two. It has been put off quite often enough already by these procrastinators, and I am glad that the Government are proceeding, in spite of these attempts by their opponents to induce them to continue delaying it.


I have not done so.


The hon. Baronet is not the only person who speaks on those subjects. Although we accept the proposal in the Bill it is not all that we would wish but apparently it is the best practical measurement that we can have at the present time. We accept it as a basis but we hope that as the years go on and as houses of the worst type are cleared away, it will be found possible to extend that basis. It could be done quite simply and easily by a short amend

ing Measure. In two or three years time we hope that it may befound desir able to apply a higher standard to the country as a whole.

6.46 p.m.


I wish to reply to one point raised by my hon. Friend the Member for Torquay (Mr. C. Williams) in order to clear up a misunderstanding on this point which may be exercising the minds of hon. Members. The House will realise that we have long resisted prescribing the height of a room. We take the view that a room should be of such a height as to give reasonable ventilation and air and if it is not of that height that the room should be closed altogether. We take powers in the Bill to close rooms which fail obviously to give enough air and ventilation. On the question of the sloping roof, in Clause 6 (4) we take powers to prescribe the proper method of the compilation of the floor space of a room in a case where the ceiling slopes down to four feet or five feet.

Question put, "That the words pro posed to be left out to '2,' inline 24, stand part of the Bill."

The House divided: Ayes, 224; Noes, 69.

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Agnew, Lieut.-Com. P. G. Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.) Glossop, C. W. H.
Allen, Lt.-Col. J. Sandeman (B'k'nh'd) Chapman, Col. R.(Houghton-le-Spring) Gluckstain, Louis Halle
Allen, William (Stoke-on-Trent) Chapman, Sir Samuel (Edinburgh, S.) Goldie, Noel B.
Alien, Lt.-Col. Sir William (Armagh) Clarry, Reginald George Gower, Sir Robert
Atholl, Duchess of Cobb, Sir Cyril Grattan Doyle, Sir Nicholas
Bailey, Eric Alfred George Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. Grenfell, E. C. (City of London)
Baillie, Sir Adrian W. M. Colfox, Major William Philip Gritten, W. G. Howard
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Collins, Rt. Hon. Sir Godfrey Gunston, Captain D. W.
Balfour, Capt. Harold (I. of Thanet) Colville, Lieut.-Colonel J. Guy, J. C. Morrison
Barrie, Sir Charles Coupar Cook, Thomas A. Hacking, Ht. Hon. Douglas H.
Barton, Capt. Basil Kelsey Cranborne, Viscount Hales, Harold K.
Beaumont, Hon. R.E.B. (Portsm'th. C.) Crooke, J. Smedley Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford)
Bennett, Capt. Sir Ernest Nathaniel Crookshank, Col. C. de Windt (Bootle) Harbord, Arthur
Birchall, Major Sir John Dearman Cruddas, Lieut.-Colonel Bernard Harvey, Major Sir Samuel (Totnes)
Blindell, James Culverwell, Cyril Tom Haslam, Henry (Horncastle)
Bossom, A. C. Davison, Sir William Henry Headlam, Lieut.-Col. Cuthbert M.
Boulton, W. W. Denman, Hon. R. D. Heilgers, Captain F. F. A.
Bowyer, Capt. Sir George E. W. Dickie, John P. Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P.
Braithwaite, J. G. (Hillsborough) Doran, Edward Herbert, Capt. S. (Abbey Division)
Brans, Captain Sir William Drawe, Cedric Hills, Major Rt. Hon. John Watler
Briscoe, Capt. Richard George Duckworth, George A. V. Hore-Belisha, Leslie
Broadbent, Colonel John Duncan, James A. L. (Kensington, N.) Hornby, Frank
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Dunglass, Lord Howard, Tom Forrest
Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'ld., Hexham) Eady, George H. Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.)
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Ellis, Sir R. Geoffrey Hume, Sir George Hopwood
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H.C.(Berks., Newb'y) Elliston. Captain George Sampson Hunter, Dr. Joseph (Dumfries)
Browne, Captain A. C. Entwistle, Cyril Fullard Hunter, Capt. M. J. (Brigg)
Buchan Hepburn, P. G. T. Erskine-Bolst, Capt. C. C. (Blk'pool) Inskip, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas W. H.
Burnett, John George Essenhigh, Reginald Clare Jennings, Roland
Burton, Colonel Henry Walter Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst Jasson, Major Thomas E.
Cadogan, Hon. Edward Fleming, Edward Lascelles Joel, Dudley J. Barnato
Campbell-Johnston, Maicolm Fremantle, Sir Francis Johnston, J. W. (Clackmannan)
Caporn, Arthur Cecil Ganzonl, Sir John Jones, Sir G. W. H. (Stoke New'gton)
Carver, Major William H. Gault, Lieut.-Col. A. Hamilton Kerr, Lieut.-Col. Charles (Montrose)
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Gibson, Charles Granville Kerr, Hamilton W.
Cayzer, Sir Charles (Chester, City) Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Kimball, Lawrence
Knox, Sir Alfred Nation, Brigadier-General J. J. H. Southby, Commander Archibald R. J.
Lamb, Sir Joseph Quinton Nicholson, Godfrey (Morpeth) Spears, Brigadier-General Edward L.
Lambert, Rt. Hon. George O'Connor, Terence James Spenser, Captain Richard A.
Law, Sir Alfred Ormiston, Thomas Spender-Clay, Rt. Hon. Herbert H.
Leech, Dr. J. W. Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William G. A. Spent, William Patrick
Leighton, Major B. E. P. Pearson, William G. Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Fylde)
Levy, Thomas Peat, Charles U. Stanley, Rt. Hon. Oliver (W'morland)
Lewis, Oswald Penny, Sir George Stewart, J. Henderson (File, E.)
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Lindsay, Kenneth (Kilmarnock) Petherick, M. Storey, Samuel
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Llewellin, Major John J. Pike, Cecil F. Strauss, Edward A.
Lloyd, Geoffrey Powell, Lieut.-Col. Evelyn G. H. Strickland, Captain W. F.
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Loftus, Pierce C. Ramsden, Sir Eugene Tate, Mavis Constance
Lovat-Fraser, James Alexander Reed, Arthur C. (Exeter) Thomas, James P. L, (Hereford)
MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Seaham) Reid, David D,(County Down) Thompson, Sir Luke
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McLean, Dr. W. H. (Tradeston) Runge, Norah Cecil Ward, Lt.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull)
Magnay, Thomas Russell, Albert (Kirkcaldy) Ward, Sarah Adelaide (Cannock)
Makins, Brigadier-General Ernest Russell, R. J.(Eddisbury) Warrender, Sir Victor A. G.
Manningham-Buller, Lt.-Col. Sir M. Rutherford, John (Edmonton) Wedderburn, Henry James Scrymgeour
Margeseon, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R. Rutherford, Sir John Hugo (Liv'rp'l) Wells, Sydney Richard
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Moreing, Adrian C Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton (S'V'noaks)
Morgan, Robert H. Smiles, Lieut.-Col. Sir Walter D.
Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh) Somervell, Sir Donald TELLERS FOR THE AYES.
Morrison, G. A. (Scottish Univer'ties) Somerville, D. G. (Willesden, East) Major George Davies and Captain
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Cleary, J J. John, William Strauss, G. R. (Lambeth, North)
Cocks, Frederick Seymour Johnstone, Harcourt (S. Shields) Thorne, William James
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Daggar, George Kirkwood, David West, F. R.
Davies, David L. (Pontypridd) Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George White, Henry Graham
Davits, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Lawson, John James Williams, Edward John (Ogmore)
Davies, Stephen Owen Leonard, William Williams, Dr. John H. (Llanelly)
Dobbie, William Llewellyn-Jones, Frederick Williams, Thomas (York, Don Valley)
Edwards, Charles Logan, David Gilbert Wilmot, John
Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univ) Lunn, William Withers, Sir John James
Evans, R. T. (Carmarthen) Macdonald, Gordon (Ince) Wood, Sir Murdoch McKenzie (Banff)
Gardner, Benjamin Walter McEntee, Valentine L. Young, Ernest J. (Middlesbrough, E.)
Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan)
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. Arthur Mainwaring, William Henry TELLERS FOR THE NOES.
Grenfell, David Roes (Glamorgan) Mallalieu, Edward Lancelot Mr. Walter Rea and Sir Percy

I beg to move, in page 68, line 24, column 2, to leave out "2," and to insert "1."

Question put, "That '2,' stand part of the Bill."

The House divided: Ayes, 239; Noes, 53.

Division No. 226.] AYES. [6.58 p.m.
Agnew, Lieut.-Com. P.G. Balfour, Capt. Harold (I. of Thanat) Bossom, A. C.
Allen, Lt.-Col. J. Sandeman (B'k'nh'd) Barrie, sir Charles Coupar Boulton, W. W.
Allen, William (Stoke-on-Trent) Barton, Capt. Bull Kelsey Bowyer, Capt. Sir George E. W.
Allen, Lt.-Col. Sir William (Armagh) Beaumont, Hon. R.E.B. (Portun'th. C.) Braithwaite, J. G. (Hillsborough)
Atholl, Duchess of Bennett, Capt. Sir Ernest Nathaniel Brass, Captain Sir William
Bailey, Eric Alfred George Birchall, Major Sir John Dearman Briscoe, Capt. Richard George
Baillie, Sir Adrian W. M. Blindell, James Broadbent, Colonel John
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P Procter. Major Henry Asam
Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) Herbert, Capt. S. (Abbey Division) Ramsay, T. B. W. (Western Isles)
Brown, Ernest (Laith) Hills, Major Rt. Hon. John Waller Ramsden, Sir Eugene
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H.C.(Berks., Newb'y) Holdsworth, Herbert Rea, Walter Russell
Browne, Captain A. C. Hore-Belisha, Leslie Reed, Arthur C. (Exeter)
Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T Hornby, Frank Reid, David D. (County Down)
Burnett, John George Howard, Tom Forrest Reid, William Allan (Derby)
Burton, Colonel Henry Walter Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Rickards, George William
Cadogan, Hon. Edward Hume, Sir George Hopwood Roberts, Aled (Wrexham)
Campbell-Johnston, Malcolm Hunter, Dr. Joseph (Dumfries) Robinson, John Roland
Caporn, Arthur Cecil Hunter, Capt. M. J. (Brigg) Rosbotham, sir Thomas
Carver, Major William H. Inskip, Rt. Hon. sir Thomas W. H. Ross, Ronald D.
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Jennings. Roland Ross Taylor, Walter (Woodbridga)
Cayzer, Sir Charles (Chester, City) Jesson, Major Thomas E. Rothschild, James A. de
Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.) Joel, Dudley J. Barnato Runge, Norah Cecil
Cazalet, Capt. V. A. (Chippenham) Johnston, J. W. (Clackmannan) Russell, Albert (Kirkcaldy)
Chapman, Col. R.(Houghton-le-Spring) Johnstone, Harcourt (S. Shields) Russell, R. J. (Eddisbury)
Chapman, Sir Samuel (Edinburgh, S.) Jones, Sir G. W. H. (Stoke New'gton) Rutherford, John (Edmonton)
Clarry, Reginald George Kerr, Lieut.-Col. Charles (Montrose) Rutherford, Sir John Hugo (Liverp'l)
Cobb, Sir Cyril Kerr, Hamilton W. Salmon, Sir Isidore
Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. Kimball, Lawrence Salt, Edward W
Colfox, Major William Philip Knox, sir Alfred Samuel, Sir Arthur Michael (F'nham)
Collins, Rt. Hon. Sir Godfrey Lamb, Sir Joseph Quinton Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen)
Colville, Lieut.-Colonel J. Lambert, Rt. Hon. George Savery, Servington
Cook, Thomas A. Law, Sir Alfred Selley, Harry R.
Cranborne, Viscount Leech, Dr. J. W. Shakespeare, Geoffrey H.
Crooke, J. Smedley Leighton, Major B. E. P. Shaw, Captain William T. (Forfar)
Crookshank, Col. C. de Windt (Bootle) Levy, Thomas Shepperson, Sir Ernest W.
Cruddas, Lieut.-Colonel Bernard Lewis, Oswald Simon, Rt. Hon. sir John
Culverwell, Cyril Tom Liddall, Walter S. Smiles, Lieut.-Col. Sir Walter D.
Davison, Sir William Henry Little, Graham-, Sir Ernest Somervell, Sir Donald
Denman, Hon. R. D. Llawellin, Major John J. Somerville, D. G. (Willesden, East)
Dickie, John P, Llewellyn-Jones, Frederick Soper, Richard
Doran, Edward Lloyd, Geoffrey Southby, Commander Archibald R. J,
Drewe, Cedric Locker, Lampson, Com. O. (H'ndsw'th) Spears, Brigadier-General Edward L.
Duckworth, George A. V. Loftus, Plerce C. Spencer, Captain Richard A.
Duncan, James A. L. (Kensington, N.) Lovat-Fraser, James Alexander Spender-Clay, Rt. Hon. Herbert H.
Dunglass, Lord Macdonald, Sir Murdoch (Inverness) Spens, William Patrick
Eady, George H. Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Fylde)
Ellis, Sir R. Geoffrey McKeag, William Stanley, Rt. Hon. Oliver (W'morland)
Elliston, Captain George Sampson McKie, John Hamilton Stewart, J. Henderson (Fife, E.)
Entwistle, Cyril Fullard Maclay, Hon. Joseph Paton Stones, James
Erskine-Bolst, Capt. C. C. (Blackpool) McLean, Major Sir Alan Storey, Samuel
Essenhigh, Reginald Clare McLean, Dr. W. H. (Tradeston) Stourton, Hon. John J.
Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univ.) Magnay, Thomas Strauss, Edward A.
Evans, R. T. (Carmarthen) Makins, Brigadier-General Ernest Strickland, Captain W. F.
Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst Mallalieu, Edward Lancelot Stuart, Lord C. Crichton-
Fleming, Edward Lascelles Manningham-Buller, Lt.-Col. Sir M. Sueter, Rear-Admiral Sir Murray F,
Foot, Dingle (Dundee) Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R. Tate, Mavis Constance
Fremantle, Sir Francis Mason, Col. Glyn K. (Croydon, N.) Thomas, James P. L. (Hereford)
Ganzoni, Sir John Mayhew, Lieut.-Colonel John Thompson, Sir Luke
Gault, Lieut.-Col. A. Hamilton Mellor, Sir J. S. P. Thomson, Sir James D. W.
Gibson, Charles Granville Mills, Sir Frederick (Leyton, E.) Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest) Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Glossop, C. W. H. Mitchell, Sir W. Lana (Streatham) Tufnell, Lieut.-Commander R. L.
Gluckstein, Louis Halle Moreing, Adrian C. Wallace, Sir John (Dunfermline)
Gower, Sir Robert Morgan, Robert H. Ward, Lt.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull)
Grattan-Doyle, Sir Nicholas Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh) Ward, Saran Adelaide (Cannock)
Grenfell, E. C. (City of London) Morrison, G. A. (Scottish Univer'ties) Warrender, Sir Victor A. G.
Griffith, F. Kingsley (Middlesbro'. W.) Moss, Captain H. J. Wedderburn, Henry James Scrymgeour-
Gritton, w. G. Howard Nation, Brigadier-General J. J. H. Wells, Sydney Richard
Guinness, Thomas L. E. B. Nicholson, Godfrey (Morpeth) Weymouth, Viscount
Gunston, Captain D. W. O'Connor, Terence James White, Henry Graham
Guy, J. C. Morrison Ormiston, Thomas Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H. Ormsby-Gore. Rt. Hon. William G. A. Wills, Wilfrid D.
Hales, Harold K. Owen, Major Goronwy Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford) Pearson, William G. Wise, Alfred R.
Hanbury, Cecil Peat, Charles U. Wood, Sir Murdoch McKenzie (Banff)
Harbord, Arthur Penny, Sir George Worthington, Dr. John V.
Harris, Sir Percy Perkins, Walter R. D. Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton (S'v'noaka)
Harvey, Major Sir Samuel (Totnes) Petherick, M. Young, Ernest J. (Middlesbrough, E.)
Haslam, Henry (Horncastle) Peto, Geoffrey K. (W'verh'ptn, Bilst'n)
Headlam, Lieut.-Col. Cuthbert M. Pike, Cecil F. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.
Heilgers, Captain F. F. A. Powell, Lieut.-Col. Evelyn G. H. Major George Davies and Captain Hope.
Acland, Rt. Hon. sir Francis Dyke Cape, Thomas Dobbie, William
Adams, D. M. (Poplar, South) Cleary, J. J. Edwards, Charles
Attlee, Clement Richard Cocks, Frederick Seymour Gardner, Benjamin Walter
Banfield, John William Cove. William G. Grenfell, David Rees (Glamorgan)
Bernays, Robert Dagger, George Griffiths, George A. (Yorks, W. Riding)
Bevan, Aneurin (Ebbw Vale) Davies, David L. (Pontypridd) Grundy, Thomas W.
Brown, c. W. E. (Notts., Mansfield) Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Hall, George H. (Merthyr Tydvil)
Buchanan, George Davies, Stephen Owen Hicks, Ernest George
Janner, Barnett Macdonald, Gordon (Ince) Thorne, William James
Jenkins, sir William McEntee, Valentine L. Tinker, John Joseph
John, William Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan) West, F. R.
Janes, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown) Mainwaring, William Henry Williams, Edward John (Ogmore)
Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Mander, Geoffrey le M. Williams, Dr. John H. (Lianelly)
Kirkwood, David Milner, Major James Williams, Thomas (York, Don Valley)
Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George Paling, Wilfred Wilmot, John
Lawson, John James Parkinson, John Allen
Leonard, William Salter, Dr. Alfred TELLERS FOR THE NOES.
Logan, David Gilbert Smith, Tom (Normanton) Mr. D. Graham and Mr. Groves.
Lunn, William Strauss, G. R. (Lambeth, North)

7.8 p.m.


I beg to move, in page 69, line 10, at the end, to insert: Provided that where the average height of a room from floor to ceiling is less than eight feet the foregoing table shall have effect as if each of the floor areas specified in the first column thereof were increased to the nearest integer in

the same ratio as that of the average height of the room to eight feet."


I beg to second the Amendment.

Question put, "That those words be there inserted in the Bill."

The House divided:Ayes,69; Noes, 229.

Division No. 227.] AYES. [7.10 p.m.
Acland, Rt. Hon. Sir Francis Dyke Griffith, F. Kingsley (Middlesbro', W). Mallalieu, Edward Lancelot
Adams, D. M. (Poplar, South) Griffiths, George A. (Yorks,W.Riding) Milner, Major James
Attlee, Clement Richard Groves, Thomas E. Owen, Major Goronwy
Banfield, John William Grundy, Thomas W. Parkinson, John Allen
Bevan, Aneurin (Ebbw Vale) Hall, George H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Rea, Walter Russell
Brown, C. W. E. (Notts., Mansfield) Harris, Sir Percy Roberts, Aled (Wrexham)
Buchanan, George Hicks, Ernest George Rothschild, James A. de
Cape, Thomas Holdsworth, Herbert Salter, Dr. Alfred
Cleary, J. J. Janner, Barnett Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen)
Cocks, Frederick Seymour Jenkins, Sir William Smith, Tom (Normanton)
Cove, William G. Johnstone, Harcourt (S. Shields) Strauss, G. R. (Lambeth, North)
Daggar, George Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown) Thorne, William James
Davies, David L. (Pontypridd) Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Tinker, John Joseph
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Kirkwood, David West, F. R.
Davies, Stephen Owen Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George White, Henry Graham
Dobbie, William Lawson, John James Williams, Edward John (Ogmore)
Edwards, Charles Leonard, William Williams, Or. John H. (Lianelly)
Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univ.) Liewellyn-Jones, Frederick Williams, Thomas (York. Don Valley)
Evans, R. T. (Carmarthen) Logan, David Gilbert Wilmot, John
Foot, Dingle (Dundee) Lunn, William Wood, Sir Murdoch McKenzie (Banff)
Gardner, Benjamin Walter Macdonald, Gordon (Ince) Young, Ernest J. (Middlesbrough, E.)
Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) McEntee, Valentine L.
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. Arthur Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.
Grenfell, David Rees (Glamorgan) Mainwaring, William Henry Mr. John and Mr. Paling.
Agnew, Lieut.-Com. P. G. Campbell-Johnston, Malcoim Ellis, Sir R. Geoffrey
Allen, Lt.-Col. J. Sandeman (B'k'nh'd) Caporn, Arthur Cecil Elliston, Captain George Sampson
Allen, William (Stoke-on-Trent) Carver, Major William H. Entwistle, Cyril Fullard
Allen, Lt.-Col. Sir William (Armagh) Cautley, Sir Henry S. Erskine-Boist, Capt. C. C. (Blackpool)
Bailey, Eric Alfred George Cayzer, Sir Charles (Chester, City) Essenhigh, Reginald Clare
Baillie, Sir Adrian W. M. Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.) Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst
Balfour, Capt. Harold (I. of Thanet) Cazalet, Capt. V. A. (Chippenham) Fleming, Edward Lascelles
Barrie, Sir Charles Coupar Chapman, Col. R.(Houghton-le-Spring) Fremantle, Sir Francis
Barton, Capt. Basil Kelsey Chapman, Sir Samuel (Edinburgh, S.) Ganzoni, Sir John
Beaumont, Hon. R.E.B. (Portsm'th, C.) Clarry, Reginald George Gault, Lieut.-Col. A. Hamilton
Bennett, Capt. Sir Ernest Nathaniel Cobb, Sir Cyril Gibson, Charles Granville
Bernays, Robert Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D, Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John
Birchall, Major Sir John Dearman Colfox, Major William Philip Glossop, C. W. H.
Bottom, A. C. Colville, Lieut.-Colonel J. Gluckstein, Louis Halle
Boulton, W. W. Cook, Thomas A. Gower, Sir Robert
Bowyer, Capt. Sir George E. W. Cranborne, Viscount Grattan-Doyle, Sir Nicholas
Braithwaite, J. G. (Hillsborough) Crooke, J. Smedley Grenfell, E. C. (City of London)
Brass, Captain Sir William Crookshank, Col. C. de Windt (Bootle) Gritten, W. G. Howard
Briscoe, Capt. Richard George Cruddas, Lieut.-Colonel Bernard Guinness, Thomas L. E. B.
Broadbent, Colonel John Culverwell, Cyril Tom Gunston, Captain D. W.
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil) Guy, J. C. Morrison
Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'ld., Hexham) Davison, Sir William Henry Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H.
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Denman, Hon. R, D. Hales, Harold K.
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H.C.(Berks., Newb'y) Dickie, John P. Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford)
Browns, Captain A. C. Doran, Edward Hanbury, Cecil
Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T. Drewe, Cedric Harbord, Arthur
Burgin, Dr. Edward Leslie Duckworth, George A. V. Harvey, Major Sir Samuel (Totnes)
Burnett, John George Duncan, James A. L. (Kensington, N.) Haslam, Henry (Korncastle)
Burton, Colonel Henry Walter Dunglass, Lord Headlam, Lieut.-Col. Cuthbert M.
Cadogan, Hon. Edward Eady, George H. Heilgers, Captain F. F. A.
Heneaga, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P. Mander, Geoffrey le M. Salley, Harry R.
Herbert. Capt. S. (Abbey Division) Manningham-Buller, Lt.-Col. Sir M. Shakespeare, Geoffrey H.
Hills, Major Rt. Hon. John Waller Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R. Shaw, Captain William T. (Forfar)
Hope, Capt. Hon. A. O. J. (Alton) Martin, Thomas B. Shepperson, Sir Ernest W.
Hore-Belisha, Leslie Mason, Col. Glyn K. (Croydon, N.) Sinclair, Col. T.(Queen's Unv., Belfast)
Hornby, Frank Mayhew, Lieut.-Colonel John Smiles, Lieut.-Col. Sir Welter D.
Howard, Tom Forrest Mellor, Sir J. S. P. Somervell, Sir Donald
Hudson, Capt. A. u. M. (Hackney, N.) Mills, Sir Frederick (Leyton, E.) Somerville, D. G. (Willesden, East)
Hume. Sir George Hopwood Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest) Soper, Richard
Hunter, Dr. Joseph (Dumfries) Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) Spears, Brigadier-General Edward L.
Hunter, Capt. M. J. (Brigs) Moreing, Adrian C. Spencer, Captain Richard A.
Inakip, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas W. H. Morgan, Robert H. Spender-Clay, Rt. Hon. Herbert H.
Jackson, sir Henry (Wandsworth, C.) Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh) Spent, William Patrick
Jennings, Roland Morrison, G. A. (Scottish Univer'ties) Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Fylde)
Jesson, Major Thomas E. Moss, Captain H. J. Stanley, Rt. Hon. Oliver (W'morland)
Joel, Dudley J. Barnato Nation, Brigadier-General J. J. H. Stewart, J. Henderson (Fife, E.)
Johnston, J. W. (Clackmannan) Nicholson, Godfrey (Morpeth) Stones, James
Jones, Sir G. W. H. (Stoke New'gton) O'Connor, Terence James Storey, Samuel
Kerr, Lieut.-Col. Charles (Montrose) Ormiston, Thomas Stourton, Hon. John J.
Kerr, Hamilton W. Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William G.A. Strauss, Edward A.
Kimball, Lawrence Pearson, William G. Strickland, Captain W. F
Knox, Sir Alfred Peat, Charles U. Stuart, Lord C. Crichton-
Lamb, Sir Joseph Quinton Penny, Sir George Sueter, Rear-Admiral Sir Murray F.
Lambert, Rt. Hon. George Perkins, Walter R. D. Tate, Mavis Constance
Law, Sir Alfred Petherick, M. Thomas. James P. L. (Hereford)
Lockie, J. A. Peto, Geoffrey K.(W'verh'pt'n, Bilst'n) Thompson. Sir Luke
Leech, Dr. J. W. Pike, Cacil F. Thomson, Sir James D. W.
Leighton, Major B. E. P. Powell, Lieut.-Col. Evelyn G. H. Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Levy, Thomas Procter, Major Henry Adam Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Lewis, Oswald Ramsay. T. B. W. (Western Isles) Tufnell, Lieut.-Commander R. L.
Liddall, Walter S. Ramsbotham, Harwald Wallace, Sir John (Dunfermline)
Lindsay, Kenneth (Kilmarnock) Ramsden, Sir Eugene Ward, Lt.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull)
Little, Graham-, Sir Ernest Reed, Arthur C. (Exeter) Ward, Sarah Adelaide (Cannock)
Llewellin, Major John J. Reid, David D. (County Down) Warrender, Sir Victor A. G.
Lloyd, Geoffrey Reid, William Allan (Derby) Wedderburn, Henry James Scrymgeour
Locker-Lampson, Com. O.(H'ndswth) Rickards, George William Wells, Sydney Richard
Luftus, Pierce C. Robinson, John Roland Weymouth, Viscount
Lovat-Fraser, James Alexander Rosbotham, Sir Thomas Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Macdonald, Sir Murdoch (Inverness) Ross Ronald D. Wills Wilfrid D.
Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) Rosa Taylor, Walter (Woodbridge) Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
McKeag William Runge, Norah Cecil Wise, Alfred R.
McKie, John Hamilton Russell, Albert (Kirkcaldy) Worthington. Dr. John V.
Maclay Hob Joseph Paton Russell, R. J. (Eddlsbury) Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton (S'V'oaks)
McLean Major Sir Alan Rutherford, John (Edmonton)
McLean,' Dr. W. H. (Tradeston) Rutherford, Sir John Hugo (Liverp'l) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.
Macmillan, Maurice Harold Salmon, Sir Isidore Mr. Blindell and Commander
Mugnay, Thomas Samuel, Sir Arthur Michael (F'nham) Southby.
Makins, Brigadier-General Ernest Savery, Servington

Resolution agreed to.