HC Deb 16 May 1935 vol 301 cc1896-901

May I ask the Prime Minister what business it is proposed to take next week.

The PRIME MINISTER (Mr. Ramsay MacDonald): Monday

Conclusion of Report stage and Third Reading of the Housing Bill.

Tuesday: Second Reading of the Finance Bill.

Wednesday: Supply (Fifth Allotted Day), Committee, Class I, Vote IV (Treasury and Subordinate Departments), upon which a Debate on defence will take place.

Thursday; Report stage of the Government of India Bill.

The business for Friday will be announced later. On any day, should time permit, other Orders may be taken.


In view of the fact that the Minister of Health has put down a Motion to recommit the Housing Bill in respect of certain Clauses, and that there is a large number of Amendments including New Clauses in the name of the Minister, we are very desirous that there should be ample time for the Report stage and at the same time that there should be a full day for the Third Reading. It is proposed to take the conclusion of the Report stage and the Third Reading both on Monday, but if the Report stage continues to a late hour on Monday, I take it that extra time will be allotted for the Third Reading. With regard to the Report stage of the Government of India Bill, we have not had time to look through the very long list of Amendments put down by the Secretary of State. They relate to some 167 Clauses and although a number of them may only be drafting Amendments it is possible that the Report stage will occupy more than four days. With regard to a number of Amendments and a New Clause which have been put down with regard to the position of the States, embodying various terms which have been come to, I wish to ask whether it would be possible to get a White Paper setting out the exact effect of these Amendments on the relationship between the States and British India under the Bill? Otherwise it may take a long time to deal with those Amendments.


With regard to the second question, we look upon the hon. Gentleman's suggestion very sympathetically. I have not had time to consult the Secretary of State on the matter, but I think it would be for the general convenience of the House, that a White Paper on that subject should be issued. Perhaps by Monday we might manage it but as I say the Government is quite sympathetic to the idea. With reference to the Report stage and Third Reading of the Housing Bill, I have looked at the Order Paper and I understand that the great bulk of the Amendments are on matters which have been discussed in Committee. They have been put down because of pledges given and to meet points raised by the Committee. I am still hopeful that if the House gets on with the business, we may manage to get the Third Reading of the Bill by Monday night. It is very important that the Bill should leave the House as quickly as possible in order that it may pass into law with very little delay. Although these Amendments may appear rather formidable, as a matter of fact the substance is not nearly so great as the bulk. I hope, therefore, the House will allow my announcement to remain as it is. I think it is for the general convenience and will meet with the approval of everybody concerned.


I understand that some of the Amendments raise very important questions of principle. May I also ask the right hon. Gentleman for what purpose he is moving the suspension of the Eleven o'clock Rule to-night and whether he desires that the House should situate?


No, it is only a precaution. The House will remember that we have frequently moved the suspension of the Eleven o'Clock Rule, not for the purpose of having a late sitting, but solely in order that any odds and ends which may be left unfinished at Eleven o'Clock should be finished before the rising of the House. That is the sole purpose of the Government in moving the suspension of the Rule.


With regard to the business on Wednesday, and the debate on Defence, are we right in assuming that the Lord President of the Council will open the discussion by making a statement on the relative strengths of the British and German Air Forces and also on the measures to betaken to accelerate the expansion of the Royal Air Force?


I think it will meet the convenience and also the wishes of the House that the Lord President of the Council should open the debate and the intention is to cover generally the ground which the right hon. Gentleman has indicated.


Will the right hon. Gentleman bear in mind—though I do not ask him to give an immediate answer upon the matter—that if a very important and necessarily complicated statement of that kind is made to the House, it is impossible that it should be done justice to in a debate which follows immediately? Will he consider, therefore, the presentation of a White Paper giving the main outlines of the statement, before the debate, or else inform us when an opportunity will be given afterwards, either on a supplementary estimate or otherwise, of discussing the matter? If a new and complicated statement is made to us in the way suggested, it is obvious that the House will not be able to deal with it in the ensuing debate in a coherent fashion.


The right hon. Gentleman gave me no notice of this rather important question and I am afraid that I cannot answer it now.


I said I did not press for an immediate answer.


Is there any likelihood of the scheme in connection with the Herring Industry Board being put down for Friday? It is most important that this matter should be discussed during the daytime and not late at night.


I am afraid I cannot say at the moment. The business for Friday will be announced later.


Will the Prime Minister be good enough to advise whoever is to make the opening statement on Wednesday to read the statement made in the other House yesterday with regard to the air strength of Germany?

Motion made, and Question put, That the Proceedings on Government Business be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[The Prime Minister.]

The House divided; Ayes, 258; Noes, 55.

Division No. 194.] AYES [3.47 p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Cobb, Sir Cyril Gluckstein, Louis Halle
Adams, Samuel Vyvyan T. (Leeds, W.) Colfox, Major William Philip Goff, Sir Park
Agnew, Lieut.-Com. P. G. Colville, Lieut.-Colonel J. Goldie, Noel B.
Albery, Irving James Conant, R. J. E. Goodman, Colonel Albert W.
Allen, Sir J. Sandeman (Liverp'l, W.) Cook, Thomas A. Gower, Sir Robert
Allen, Lt.-Col. J. Sandeman (B'k'nh'd.) Cooke, Douglas Graham, Sir F. Fergus (C'mb'rl'd. N.)
Allen, William (Stoke-on-Trent) Cooper, A. Duff Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John
Applin, Lieut.-Col. Reginald V. K. Copeland, Ida Grimston, R. V.
Apsley, Lord Courthope, Colonel Sir George L. Guy, J. C. Morrison
Assheton, Ralph Cranborne, Viscount Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H.
Atholl, Duchess of Critchley, Brig.-General A. C. Hales, Harold K.
Bailey, Eric Alfred George Crooke, J. Smedley Hanbury, Cecil
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Crookshank, Col. C. de Windt (Bootle) Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry
Balniel, Lord Crossley, A. C. Harbord, Arthur
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Culverwell, Cyril Tom Haslam, Henry (Horncastle)
Beauchamp, Sir Brograve Campbell Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil) Heilgers, Captain F. F. A.
Beit, Sir Alfred L. Davison, Sir William Henry Henderson, Sir Vivian L. (Chelmsford)
Benn, Sir Arthur Shirley Denman, Hon. R. D. Herbert, Major J. A. (Monmouth)
Bernays, Robert Despencer-Robertson, Major J. A. F. Holdsworth, Herbert
Bossom, A. C. Doran, Edward Hope, Capt. Hon. A. O. J. (Aston)
Boulton, W. W. Duckworth, George A. V. Hornby, Frank
Bowater, Col. Sir T. Vansittart Dugdale, Captain Thomas Lionel Horobin, Ian M.
Bowyer, Capt. Sir George E. W. Duncan, James A. L. (Kensington, N.) Horsbrugh, Florence
Broadbent, Colonel John Dunglass, Lord Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. {Hackney, N.)
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Eden, Rt. Hon. Anthony Hudson, Robert Spear (Southport)
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Elliot, Rt. Hon. Walter Hurst, Sir Gerald B.
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks., Newb'y) Ellis, Sir R. Geoffrey Iveagh, Countess of
Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T. Elliston, Captain George Sampson Jackson, Sir Henry (Wandsworth, C.)
Bullock, Captain Malcolm Emmott, Charles E. G. C. Jackson, J. C. (Heywood & Radcliffe)
Burgin, Dr. Edward Leslie Emrys-Evans, P. V. James, Wing-Com. A. W. H.
Burnett, John George Entwistle, Cyril Fullard Jones, Lewis (Swansea, West)
Burton, Colonel Henry Walter Erskine-Bolst, Capt C. C. (Blackpool) Kerr, Hamilton W.
Butler, Richard Austen Evans, Capt. Arthur (Cardiff, S.) Kimball, Lawrence
Campbell, Sir Edward Taswell (Brmly) Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univ.) Knox, Sir Alfred
Caporn, Arthur Cecil Evans, R. T. (Carmarthen) Lamb, Sir Joseph Quinton
Carver, Major William H. Fermoy, Lord Lambert, Rt. Hon. George
Castlereagh, Viscount Fielden, Edward Brockfehurst Law, Sir Alfred
Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.) Fleming, Edward Lascelles Leckle, J. A.
Cazalet, Capt. V. A. (Chippenham) Flint, Abraham John Leech, Dr. J. W.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. Sir J. A. (Birm., W.) Ford, Sir Patrick J. Lees-Jones, John
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Edgbaston) Fox, Sir Gifford Leighton, Major B. E. P.
Chapman, Col. R. (Houghton-le-Spring) Fremantle, Sir Francis Lennox-Boyd, A. T.
Chapman, Sir Samuel (Edinburgh, S.) Galbraith, James Francis Wallace Levy, Thomas
Chorlton, Alan Ernest Leofric Ganzoni, Sir John Lindsay, Kenneth (Kilmarnock)
Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer Gillett, Sir George Masterman Llewellyn-Jones, Frederick
Clarry, Reginald George Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Lloyd, Geoffrey
Clayton, Sir Christopher Glossop, C. W. H. Lockwood, John C. (Hackney, C.)
Loftus, Pierce C. Peat, Charles U. Somervell, Sir Donald
Lovat-Fraser, James Alexander Percy, Lord Eustace Somerville, Annesley A. (Windsor)
MacAndrew, Lieut.-Col. C. G. (Partick) Perkins, Walter R. D. Soper, Richard
MacAndraw, Capt. J. O. (Ayr) Petherick, M. Sotheron-Estcourt, Captain T. E.
MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Seaham) Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) Southby, Commander Archibald R. J.
Macdonald, Capt. P. O. (I. of W.) Pickering, Ernest H. Spencer, Captain Richard A.
McEwen, Captain J. H. F. Pickthorn, K. W. M. Spender-Clay, Rt. Hun. Herbert H.
McKeag, William Pike, Cecil F. Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Fylde)
Maclay, Hon. Joseph Paton Powell, Lieut.-Col. Evelyn G. H. Stanley, Rt. Hon. Oliver (W'morland)
McLean, Major Sir Alan Pownall, Sir Assheton Stewart, J. Henderson (Fife, E.)
McLean, Dr. W. H. (Tradeston) Raikes, Henry V. A. M. Stones, James
Macquisten, Frederick Alexander Ramsbotham, Herwald Strickland, Captain W. F.
Makins, Brigadier-General Ernest Ramsden, Sir Eugene Stuart, Lord C. Crichton-
Manningham-Buller, Lt.-Col. Sir M. Rathbone, Eleanor Sueter, Rear-Admiral Sir Murray F.
Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R. Reid, Capt. A. Cunningham- Sugden, Sir Wilfrid Hart
Marsden, Commander Arthur Reid, James S. C. (Stirling) Sutcliffe, Harold
May hew, Lieut.-Colonel John Reid, William Allan (Derby) Tate, Mavis Constance
Meller, Sir Richard James (Mitcham) Rhys, Hon. Charles Arthur U. Taylor, C. S. (Eastbourne)
Mellor, Sir J. S. P. Rickards, George William Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby)
Mills, Sir Frederick (Leyton, E.) Roberts, Sir Samuel (Ecclesall) Thomas, James P. L. (Hereford)
Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest) Ross Taylor, Walter (Woodbridge) Todd, A. L. S. (Kingtwinford)
Molson, A. Hugh Elsdale Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter Train, John
Mohsell, Rt. Hon. Sir B. Eyres Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) Wallace, Captain D. E. (Hornsey)
Moore, Lt.-Col. Thomas C. R. (Ayr) Russell, Hamer Field (Sheffield, B'tside) Ward, Lt.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull)
Morgan, Robert H. Russell, R. J. (Eddisbury) Ward, Irene Mary Bewick (Wallsend)
Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh) Rutherford, John (Edmonton) Ward, Sarah Adelaide (Cannock)
Morrison, G. A. (Scottish Univer'ties) Rutherford, Sir John Hugo (Liverp'l) Watt, Major George Steven H.
Morrison, William Shepherd Salmon, Sir Isidore Wedderburn, Henry James Scrymgsour
Muirhead, Lieut.-Colonel A. J. Samuel, Sir Arthur Michael (F'nham) Wells, Sidney Richard
Munro, Patrick Samuel, M. R. A. (W'ds'wth, Putney) Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Nation, Brigadier-General J. J. H. Sanderson, Sir Frank Barnard Williams, Herbert G. (Croydon, S.)
Norie-Miller, Francis Sandys, Duncan Wilson, Clyde T. (West Toxteth)
North, Edward T. Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip A. G. D. Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Nunn, William Savery, Servington Womersley, Sir Walter
Oman, Sir Charles William C. Selley, Harry R. Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir H. Kingsley
O'Neill, Rt. Hon. Sir Hugh Shakespeare, Geoffrey H. Worthington, Dr. John V.
Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hn. William G. A. Shaw, Helen B. (Lanark, Bothwall) Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton (S'v'noaks)
Orr Ewing, I. L. Shepperson, Sir Ernest W.
Patrick, Colin M. Smiles, Lieut.-Col. Sir Walter D. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Pearson, William G. Smithers, Sir Waldron Sir George Penny and Sir Victor
Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. Christopher Grenfell, David Rees (Glamorgan) Maxton, James
Attlee, Clement Richard Griffiths, George A. (York, W. Hiding) Owen, Major Gerenwy
Banfield, John William Grundy, Thomas W. Paling, Wilfred
Bevan, Aneurin (Ebbw Vale) Hall, George H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Parkinson, John Allen
Brown, C. W. E. (Notts., Mansfield) Hamilton, Sir R. W. (Orkney Zetl'nd) Rea, Walter Russell
Cleary, J. J. Harris, Sir Percy Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen)
Cocks, Frederick Seymour Hicks, Ernest George Smith, Tom (Normanton)
Cove, William G. Janner, Barnett Strauss, G. R. (Lambeth, North)
Cripps, Sir Stafford Jenkins, Sir William Thorne, William James
Daggar, George Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Tinker, John Joseph
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Lawson, John James Wedgwood Rt. Hon. Joseph
Davies, Stephen Owen Leonard, William White, Henry Graham
Dobbie, William Logan, David Gilbert Williams, David (Swansea, East)
Edwards, Charles Lunn, William Williams, Edward John (Ogmors)
Foot, Isaac (Cornwall, Bodmin) Macdonald, Gordon (Ince) Williams, Dr. John H. (Llanelly)
Gardner, Benjamin Walter McEntee, Valentine L. Williams, Thomas (York, Don Valley)
George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) Mainwaring, William Henry Young, Ernest J. (Middlesbrough, E.)
George, Megan A. Lloyd (Anglesea) Mallalieu, Edward Lancelot
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. Arthur Mason, David M. (Edinburgh, E.) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Mr. John and Mr. Groves.

Resolutions agreed to.