HC Deb 12 March 1935 vol 299 cc207-11

3.29 p.m.


May I ask the Lord President of the Council what the business is for Friday?


In the event of the Committee stage being taken to-morrow night, we shall take the Third Reading of the Cattle Industry (Emergency Provisions) Bill as the first Order on Friday. The other business to be taken on that day will be the Report stage and Third Reading of the Post Office (Amendment) Bill, the Second Reading of the Superannuation Bill, of the Northern Ireland Land Purchase (Winding-up) Bill, and of the Regimental Charitable Funds Bill [Lords], and the Committee stage of the necessary Money Resolution. If there is time, other Orders will be taken.


May I ask the Lord President of the Council a question about the Motion for suspending the Eleven o'clock Rule to-day? Will he tell the House what business he proposes to take?


We are suspending the Rule for the same reason that we suspended it the other day—because we are rather behindhand in the programme that we hoped to carry out. We hope that, by having a little easement of time at the end of the day, we may be able to make a little more progress, and, therefore, facilitate our summer holiday.


We are all for good long holidays, but I would ask the right hon. Gentleman as I asked him last week, whether this is going to be regular? If we are going to suspend the Rule for the Government of India Bill on two days a week, it does really rob Members of the privilege of raising questions on the Adjournment, and it is rather a breach of the understanding. We may have to accept the decision of the majority, but we should not voluntarily accept the position that the Government of India Bill, which we all agreed to discuss in a friendly way, should be taken after eleven o'clock at night, and I shall vote against the Motion, but I think we shall have to enter a rather more emphatic protest if the Government propose to do this more or less regularly. We think that the time allotted ought to have been sufficient within the ordinary Parliamentary day.


The Lord President of the Council talked about facilitating a long holiday. If we guarantee facilities for the Government of India Bill, will he guarantee to facilitate an early date for a General Election?


I entirely agree with what the right hon. Gentleman has said, but I would remind him that this is only the second occasion in the eight days of the Committee stage. I should have the strongest objection to its becoming a regular procedure, but I think the House must remember that we are working for the first time under an arrangement which I still hope and believe will work out satisfactorily before long, and there must be a little elasticity, a little give and take, in the first two or three weeks before it gets going. We are—not, I think, owing to any particular fault of any particular party—some little way behind the point where we hoped to be, and we hope to rectify that to some extent by what we are doing to-night. I hope very much that before many days are passed we may find the arrangement working as smoothly as we all hoped it would when it was come to.


How far does the right hon. Gentleman hope to get tonight?


I do not think I can give an answer to that question. Probably, if the question were put to him, my right hon. Friend in charge of the Debate might be able to say something about it. I would rather not commit myself, as I am not sufficiently familiar with the details of the Bill.


Will the right hon. Gentleman remember, when the Government ask the House to suspend the Eleven o'clock Rule, that practically all private Members' time has been taken away, and all private Members' opportunities have been taken away, so that the only way that remains to private Members who have important matters to raise is the

Adjournment time from 11 till 11.30. That was taken away from us last night by three Divisions which the Government forced upon the House—[Laughter]—I mean by bringing forward a proposal which was absolutely unnecessary from the point of view of the Opposition; and to-night also that opportunity is to be taken away. I am not complaining at this juncture. I entered into the agreement under which it was understood that occasionally the Eleven o'Clock Rule might have to be suspended. But I would ask the right hon. Gentleman to bear in mind the fact that the Adjournment time is practically the only private Members' time that is left, and not to take it away without good cause.


I entirely agree; what the hon. Member has said is true; but I am inclined to think that there have been a large number of evenings on which subjects could have been raised and no advantage has been taken of them.

Motion made, and Question put, That the Proceedings on Government Business be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House).—[Mr. Baldwin.]

The House divided: Ayes, 264; Noes, 42.

Division No. 90.] AYES. [3.52 p.m.
Acland, Rt. Hon. Sir Francis Dyke Brown, Ernest (Leith) Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil)
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks., Newb'y) Davison, Sir William Henry
Adams, Samuel Vyvyan T. (Leeds, W.) Browne, Captain A. C. Denman, Hon. R. D.
Agnew, Lieut.-Com. P. G. Buchan, John Donner, P. W.
Albery, Irving James Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T. Doran, Edward
Allen, Sir J. Sandeman (Liverp'l, W.) Burnett, John George Duckworth, George A. V.
Allen, William (Stoke-on-Trent) Butler, Richard Austen Dugdale, Captain Thomas Lionel
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. Cadogan, Hon. Edward Duggan, Hubert John
Anstruther-Gray, W. J. Caporn, Arthur Cecil Duncan, James A. L. (Kensington, N.)
Assheton, Ralph Carver, Major William H. Dunglass, Lord
Atholl, Duchess of Castiereagh, Viscount Eady, George H.
Bailey, Eric Alfred George Cautley, Sir Henry S. Elliot, Rt. Hon. Waiter
Baillie, Sir Adrian W. M. Cayzer, Sir Charles (Chester, City) Ellis, Sir R. Geoffrey
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. Sir. A,(Birm., W) Elmley, Viscount
Balfour, Capt. Harold (I. of Thanet) Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Edgbaston) Emmott, Charles E. G. C.
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Chapman, Col. R. (Houghton-le-Spring) Emrys-Evans, P. V.
Barton, Capt. Basil Kelsey Christie, James Archibald Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univ.)
Beauchamp, Sir Brograve Campbell Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer Everard, W. Lindsay
Beaumont, Hon. R. E. B. (Portsm'th, C.) Clarke, Frank Foot, Isaac (Cornwall, Bodmin)
Belt, Sir Alfred L. Cobb, Sir Cyril Fox, Sir Gifford
Benn, Sir Arthur Shirley Colfox, Major William Philip Fremantle, Sir Francis
Bennett, Capt. Sir Ernest Nathaniel Collins, Rt. Hon. Sir Godfrey Fuller, Captain A. G.
Blaker, Sir Reginald Colville, Lieut.-Colonel J. Galbraith, James Francis Wallace
Bilndell, James Cook, Thomas A. Ganzoni, Sir John
Borodale, Viscount Cooke, Douglas Gillett, Sir George Masterman
Bossom, A. C. Cooper, A. Duff Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John
Boulton, W. W. Courtauld, Major John Sewell Gledhill, Gilbert
Bowyer, Capt. Sir George E. W. Craddock, Sir Reginald Henry Glyn, Major Sir Ralph G. C.
Boyce, H. Leslie Cranborne, Viscount Goodman, Colonel Albert W.
Boyd-Carpenter, Sir Archibald Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. Grattan-Doyle, Sir Nicholas
Braithwaite, J. G. (Hillsborough) Crooke, J. Smedley Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John
Brass, Captain Sir William Crookshank, Col. C. de Windt (Bootle) Grigg, Sir Edward
Briscoe, Capt. Richard George Crookshank, Capt. H. C. (Galnsb'ro) Grimston, R. V.
Broadbent, Colonel John Cross, R. H. Gunston, Captain D. W.
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Culverwell, Cyril Tom Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H.
Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'I'd., Hexham) Davidson, Rt. Hon. J. C. C. Hamilton, Sir R. W.(Orkney & Z'tl'nd)
Hanbury, Cecil McLean, Major Sir Alan Rutherford, John (Edmonton)
Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry McLean, Dr. W. H. (Tradeston) Rutherford, Sir John Hugo (Liverp'l)
Hartington, Marquess of Mallalieu Edward Lancelot Salmon, Sir Isldore
Harvey, Major Sir Samuel (Totnes) Mander, Geoffrey le M. Sait, Edward W.
Haslam, Henry (Horncastle) Manningham-Buller, Lt.-Col. Sir M. Samuel, Sir Arthur Michael (F'nham)
Haslam, Sir John (Bolton) Margesson, Capt, Rt. Hon. H. D. R. Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen)
Headlam, Lieut.-Col. Cuthbert M. Marsden, Commander Arthur Sanderson, Sir Frank Barnard
Hellgers, Captain F. F. A. Mayhew, Lieut.-Colonel John Savery, Samuel Servington
Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P. Mills, Sir Frederick (Leyton, E.) Scone, Lord
Hepworth, Joseph Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest) Shaw, Helen B. (Lanark, Bothwell)
Herbert, Major J. A. (Monmouth) Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John
Hills, Major Rt. Hon. John Waller Molson, A. Hugh Elsdale Sinclair, Maj. Rt. Hn. Sir A. (C'thness)
Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. Monsell, Rt. Hon. Sir B. Eyres Smith, Louis W. (Sheffleid, Hallam)
Holdsworth, Herbert Morgan, Robert H. Smith, Sir Robert (Ab'd'n & K'dine, C.)
Horsbrugh, Florence Morris, Owen Temple (Cardiff, E.) Smithers, Sir Waldron
Howard, Tom Forrest Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh) Somerset, Thomas
Hudson, Robert Spear (Southport) Morrison, G. A. (Scottish Univer'ties) Somerville, Sir Donald
Hunter, Dr. Joseph (Dumfries) Muirhead, Lieut.-Colonel A. J. Somerville, Annesley A. (Windsor)
Hunter, Capt. M. J. (Brigg) Munro, Patrick Soper, Richard
Hurst. Sir Gerald B. Nation, Brigadier-General J. J. H. Spencer, Captain Richard A.
Hutchison, W. D. (Essex, Romf'd) Nicholson, Godfrey (Morpeth) Spender-Clay, Rt. Hon. Herbert H.
Inskip, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas W. H. Nicholson, Rt. Hn. W. G. (Petersf'ld) Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Fylde)
Jackson, Sir Henry (Wandsworth, C.) Normand, Rt. Hon. Wilfrid Stanley, Rt. Hon. Oliver (W'morland)
James, Wing-Com. A. W. H. Nunn, William Stewart, William J. (Belfast, S.)
Jesson, Major Thomas E. Oman, Sir Charles William C. Stones, James
Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Orr Ewing, I. L. Strickland, Captain W. F.
Jones, Lewis (Swansea, West) Palmer, Francis Noel Sueter, Rear-Admiral Sir Murray F.
Kerr, Hamilton W. Patrick, Colin M. Sutcliffe, Harold
Kirkpatrick, William M. Pearson, William G. Tate, Mavis Constance
Knight, Holford Petherick, M. Taylor, Vice-Admiral E. A.(P'dd'gt'n, S.)
Knox, Sir Alfred Peto, Geoffrey K.(W'verh'pt'n, Blist'n) Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby)
Lamb, Sir Joseph Oulnton Pickthorn, K. W. M. Todd, Lt.-Col. A. J. K. (B'wick-on-T.)
Lambert, Rt. Hon. George Pownall, Sir Assheton Tree, Ronald
Leckie, J. A. Radford, E. A. Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Leech, Dr. J. W. Raikes, Henry V. A. M. Tufnell, Lieut.-Commander R. L.
Leighton, Major B. E. P. Ramsay, Capt. A. H. M. (Midlothian) Wallace, Captain D. E. (Hornsey)
Lennox-Boyd, A. T. Ramsay, T. B. W. (Western Isles) Ward, Lt.-Col, Sir A. L. (Hull)
Levy, Thomas Ramsbotham, Herwaid Ward, Sarah Adelaide (Cannock)
Lewis, Oswald Ramsden, Sir Eugene Wardlaw-Milne, Sir John S.
Liddall, Walter S. Rathbone, Eleanor Warrender, Sir Victor A. G.
Lindsay, Kenneth (Kllmarnock) Rea, Walter Russell Wedderburn, Henry James Scrymgeour-
Lister, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Cunliffe- Reed, Arthur C. (Exeter) White, Henry Graham
Lockwood, Capt. J. H. (Shipley) Held, James S. C. (Stirling) Williams, Herbert G. (Croydon, S.)
Loder, Captain J, de Vere Reid, William Allan (Derby) Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Lovat-Fraser, James Alexander Rickards, George William Wills, Wilfrid D.
Lumley, Captain Lawrence R. Ross, Ronald D. Womersley, Sir Walter
Mabane, William Ross Taylor, Walter (Woodbridge) Wood, Sir Murdoch McKenzie (Banff)
MacAndrew, Lieut.-Col. C. G.(Partick) Rothschild, James A. de Worthington, Dr. John V.
MacAndrew, Capt. J. O. (Ayr) Ruggles-Brise, Colonel Sir Edward Wragg, Herbert
McConnell, Sir Joseph Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton (S'v'noaks)
McEwen, Captain J. H. F. Russell, Albert (Kirkcaldy)
McKie, John Hamilton Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Maclay, Hon. Joseph Paton Russell, R. J. (Eddisbury) Sir Frederick Thomson and Sir
George Penny.
Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. Christopher Grundy, Thomas W. Maxton, James
Attlee, Clement Richard Hall, George H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Parkinson, John Allen
Banfield, John William Jenkins, Sir William Salter, Dr. Alfred
Batey, Joseph Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown) Smith. Tom (Normanton)
Buchanan, George Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Strauss, G. R. (Lambeth, North)
Cleary, J. J. Kirkwood, David Thorne, William James
Cocks, Frederick Seymour Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George Tinker, John Joseph
Daggar, George Lawson, John James Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. Joslah
Davies. David L. (Pontypridd) Leonard, William West, F. B.
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Logan, David Gilbert Williams, David (Swansea, East)
Dobbie, William Lunn, William Williams, Thomas (York., Don Valley)
Gardner, Benjamin Walter Macdonald, Gordon (Ince) Wilmot, John
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. Arthur McEntee, Valentine L.
Grenfell, David Rees (Glamorgan) Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Griffiths, George A. (Yorks, W. Riding) Mainwaring, William Henry Mr. Paling and Mr. Groves.

Resolution agreed to.