HC Deb 03 April 1935 vol 300 cc366-71

Might I ask the Prime Minister what business he proposes to get through to-night if the Motion on the Paper to suspend the Eleven o'Clock Rule is carried? I should also like to ask what arrangements have been made for this House to present an Address of Congratulation to His Majesty on the occasion of his Silver Jubilee?

The PRIME MINISTER (Mr. Ramsay MacDonald)

Regarding the question of business first, the Eleven o'Clock Rule is being suspended in order to obtain the three Works Votes which are on the Order Paper, namely, Class 7, Vote 3 (Labour and Health Buildings, Great Britain), 7A (Silver Jubilee), and 8 (Public Buildings, Overseas).

As regards the second question, the Government propose on Wednesday, 8th May, to move for an Address of Congratulation to His Majesty The King on the occasion of the 25th Anniversary of His reign. A similar Motion for an Address will be moved in another place. His Majesty has been pleased to indicate that it will be his pleasure to come to Westminster Hall on Thursday, 9th May, to receive both Addresses. In order to facilitate the arrangements, it would be convenient if Members who intend to be present on this occasion would sign their names not later than 10th April in the book which will be kept for the purpose in the office of Mr. Speaker's Secretary. Further details with regard to the ceremony will be announced later.


Further on the question of business, might I ask the Prime Minister—and I apologise to him for not having been able to give him longer, or fuller, or more definite notice —whether, in view of the answer given by the Foreign Secretary to Question No. 5 this day about the relative strengths of the British and German Air Forces, he will reconsider the answer which he gave to my Noble Friend the right hon. Member for Horsham (Earl Winterton) yesterday in respect of providing some occasion to debate these urgent and serious matters?


I am sorry I have had no notice of this question, but, if I had, I am afraid I could only give the answer that I will give now, that the State of public business is so pressing that we cannot, at any rate for the moment, set aside any special day for a discussion on this subject. There will be opportunities, like the adjournment, for raising the question, and the other adjournments that are available. I am sorry, but if I asked the right hon. Gentleman to give me notice, I am afraid I should be compelled, in view of the state of public business, to give him the same answer.


But will not the right hon. Gentleman, attaching all the weight which he no doubt should to the state of public business, also take into consideration the fact that the answer given by the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs to-day is in direct contradiction, in respect of the relative strengths of the Air Forces of the two countries, to the solemn, deliberate, and reiterated Ministerial statements which have been made on behalf of His Majesty's Government, and that it is a matter of such grave importance that some special arrangements should be made to enable the House of Commons, which shares with the Government responsibility for the safety of the country, to participate and to take stock of the existing situation?


If it is considered advisable to discuss this matter, would it not be possible to take a Supply Day early—I am not asking for any extra time—but one of the Supply Days, either on an Army Vote or the right hon. Gentleman's own Vote, in order to discuss this matter?


Raising that question as well only shows the desirability of my having notice of the question, but that must not be understood as a half acceptance of the proposal.


I would like to ask the Prime Minister what is the reason for Members of Parliament being required to sign a. book to go to Westminster Hall in order that those congratulations may be presented to His Majesty?


Everybody is entitled to go, and, so far as the Government are concerned, everybody ought to go, but in order that proper arrangements may be made, it is convenient that they should be good enough just to go and sign this book, so that we may know, for instance, what number of seats should be provided.

I am sorry I overlooked an item of business that we propose to take in the event of the suspension of the Eleven o' Clock Rule. The Government also propose to take the Committee and remaining stages of the Land Drainage (Scotland) Bill, which it is understood is not a contentious Measure.

Lieut.-Colonel HENEAGE

Will the Prime Minister, when deciding whether time shall be allotted to discuss the air question, also appreciate that there are many Members in this House who would like to discuss the three Services together?


indicated assent.

Duchess of ATHOLL

Would it not be possible for one of the four days which, I understand, are proposed to be devoted to the Government of India Bill next

week to be allotted to this very pressing question?

Motion made, and Question put, "That the Proceedings on Government Business be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[The Prime Minister.]

The House divied: Ayes, 233; Noes, 38

Division No.139.] AYES. 3.38 p.m.]
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Erskine-Bolst,. Capt. C. C. (Blackpool) Loftus, Pierce C.
Adams, Samuel Vyvyan T. (Leeds. W.) Essenhigh, Reginald Clare Lovat-Fraser, James Alexander
Allen, Lt.-Col. J. Sandeman (B'k'nh'd.) Evans, R. T. (Carmarthen) Lumley, Captain Lawrence R.
Assheton, Ralph Everard, W. Lindsay Mabane, William
Atholl, Duchess of Fermoy, Lord MacAndrew, Capt. J. O.(Ayr)
Baillie, Sir Adrian W. M. Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst McConnell, Sir Joseph
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Fleming Edward Lascelies MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Seaham)
Balfour, Capt. Harold (I. of Thanet) Fox, Sir Gifford Macdonald. Capt. P. D. (I. of W.)
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Ganzonl, Sir John McEwen, Captain J. H. F.
Barrie, Sir Charles Coupar Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John McKie, John Hamilton
Beauchamp, Sir Brograve Campbell Glossop, C. W. H. Maclay, Hon. Joseph Paton
Beaumont, Hon. R. E. B.(Portsm'th,C.) Gluckstein, Louls Halle McLean, Major Sir Alan
Bernays, Robert Glyn, Major Sir Ralph G. C. McLean, Dr. W. H. (Tradeston)
Blindell, James Goldie, Noel B. Macmillan, Maurice Harold
Bower, Commander Robert Tatton Goodman, Colonel Albert W. Magnay, Thomas
Bowyer, Capt. Sir George E. W. Grattan-Doyle, Sir Nicholas Mallalieu, Edward Lancelot
Brass, Captain Sir William Gretton, Colonel Rt. Han. John Mander, Geoffrey le M.
Briscoe, Capt. Richard George Grigg, Sir Edward Manningham-Buller, Lt.-Col. Sir M.
Broadbent, Colonel John Guest, Capt. Rt. Hon. F. E. Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R.
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Gunston, Captain D. W. Martin, Thomas B.
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Guy. J. C. Morrison Mason, David M. (Edinburgh, E.)
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks., Newb'y) Hacking, Rt. Hon, Douglas H. Mayhew, Lieut.-Colonel John
Browne, Captain A. C. Hamilton, Sir R. W. (Orkney & Zetl'nd) Mills, Sir Frederick (Leyton, E.)
Burghley, Lord Hanbury, Cecil Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest)
Burgin, Dr. Edward Leslie Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Molson, A. Hugh Elsdale
Burnett, John George Harris, Sir Percy Monsell, Rt. Hon. Sir B. Eyres
Campbell, Vice-Admiral G. (Burnley) Hartington, Marquees of Moore, Lt.-Col. Thomas C. R. (Ayr)
Castlereagh, Viscount Harvey, George (Lambeth, Kenningt'n) Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh)
Cayzer, Sir Charles (Chester, City) Harvey, Major Sir Samuel (Totnes) Munro, Patrick
Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, K.) Haslam, Henry (Horncastle) Nation, Brigadier-General J. J. H.
Chorlton, Alan Ernest Leofric Headlam, Lieut.-Col. Cuthbert M. Nicholson, Godfrey (Morpeth)
Christie, James Archibald Hellgers, Captain F. F. A. Nicholson, Rt. Hn. W. G. (Petersf'ld)
Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer Henderson, Sir Vivian L. (Chelmsford) Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William G. A.
Clarry, Reginald George Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P. Peat, Charles U.
Cobb, Sir Cyril Herbert, Major J. A. (Monmouth) Percy, Lord Eustace
Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. Herbert, Capt. S. (Abbey Division) Pickthorn, K. W. M.
Colfox, Major William Philip Hore-Belisha, Leslie Pybus, Sir John
Collins, Rt. Hon. Sir Godfrey Howard, Tom Forrest Radford, E. A.
Colman, N. C. D. Howitt, Dr. Alfred B. Ralkes, Henry V. A. M.
Colville, Lieut.-Colonel J. Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Ramsay, T. B. W. (Western Isles)
Conant, R. J. E, Hudson, Robert Spear (Southport) Ramsden, Sir Eugene
Cook, Thomas A. Hunter. Capt. M. J. (Brigg) Rea, Walter Russell
Cooke, Douglas Hurst, Sir Gerald B. Reed, Arthur C. (Exeter)
Cooper, A. Duff Jackson, Sir Henry (Wandsworth, C.) Reld, James S. C. (Stirling)
Copeland, Ida James, Wing.-Com. A. W. H. Reld, William Allan (Derby)
Courthope, Colonel Sir George L. Jesson, Major Thomas E. Rhys, Hon. Charles Arthur U.
Crooke, J. Smedley Joel, Dudley J. Barnato Rickards, George William
Crookshank, Capt. H. C. (Gainsb'ro) Johnstone, Harcourt (S. Shields) Ross Taylor, Walter (Woodbridge)
Cross, R. H. Jones, Lewis (Swansea, West) Rothschild, James A. de
Davies, Edward C. (Montgomery) Ker, J. Campbell Ruggles-Brise, Colonel Sir Edward
Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil) Kerr, Hamilton W. Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter
Dawson, Sir Philip Keyes, Admiral Sir Roger Russell, Albert (Kirkcaldy)
Denman, Hon. R. D. Kirkpatrick, William M. Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Denville, Alfred Knight, Holford Rutherford, Sir John Hugo (Liverp'l)
Despencer-Robertson, Major J. A. F. Lamb, Sir Joseph Quinton Salmon, Sir Isidore
Dickie, John P. Law Sir Alfred Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen)
Doran, Edward Leckle, J. A. Sanderson, Sir Frank Barnard
Duckworth, George A. V. Leech, Dr. J. W. Sandys, Duncan
Dugdale, Captain Thomas Lionel Leigh, Sir John Savery, Samuel Servington
Duggan, Hubert John Lennox-Boyd, A. T. Shakespeare, Geoffrey H.
Duncan, James A. L. (Kensington, N.) Lewis, Oswald Shaw, Helen B. (Lanark, Bothwell)
Dunglass, Lord Lindsay, Kenneth (Kilmarnock) Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John
Ellis, Sir R. Geoffrey Lindsay, Noel Ker Smith, Bracewell (Dulwich)
Emmott, Charles E. G. C. Lister, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Cunliffe- Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam)
Emrys-Evans, P. V. Llewellyn-Jones, Frederick Somerville, Annestey A. (Windsor)
Entwistle, Cyril Fullard Lloyd, Geoffrey Somerville, D. G. (Willesden, East)
Sotheron-Estcourt, Captain T. E. Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby) Watt, Major George Steven H.
Spender-Clay, Rt. Hon. Herbert H. Thomas, James P. L. (Hereford) Wedderburn, Henry James Scrymgeour-
Stanley, Rt. Hon. Oliver (W'morland) Thompson, Sir Luke White, Henry Graham
Stevenson, James Todd, Lt.-Col. A. J. K. (B'wick-on-T.) Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Stewart, J. Henderson (Fife, E.) Touche, Gordon Cosmo Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Stones, James Tree, Ronaid Wilson, Lt.-Col. Sir Arnold (Hertf'd)
Storey, Samuel Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement Wilson, Clyde T. (West Toxteth)
Stourton, Hon. John J. Tufnell, Lieut.-Commander R. L. Womersley, Sir Walter
Strickland, Captain W. F. Wallace, Captain D. E. (Hornsey) Worthington, Dr. John V.
Sueter, Rear-Admiral Sir Murray F. Ward, Lt.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull)
Sutcliffe, Harold Ward, Irene Mary Bewick (Wallsend) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Taylor, C. S. (Eastbourne) Warrender, Sir Victor A. G. Sir Frederick Thomson and Sir George Penny.
Taylor, Vice-Admiral E. A.(P'dd'gt'n,S.) Waterhouse, Captain Charles.
Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. Christopher George, Megan A. Lloyd (Anglesea) McEntee, Valentine L.
Attlee, Clement Richard Grenfell, David Rees (Glamorgan) Mainwaring, William Henry
Brown, C. W. E. (Notts., Mansfield) Griffiths, George A. (Yorks, W. Riding) Maxton, James
Buchanan, George Grundy, Thomas W. Owen, Major Goronwy
Cleary, J. J. Hall, George H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Parkinson, John Allen
Cocks, Frederick Seymour Hicks, Ernest George Smith, Tom (Normanton)
Cove, William G. Jenkins, Sir William Tinker, John Joseph
Cripps, Sir Stafford John, William West, F. R.
Daggar, George Kirkwood, David Williams, Edward John (Ogmore)
Davies, David L. (Pontypridd) Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George Wilmot, John
Davies, Stephen Owen Lawson, John James
Dobble, William Leonard, William TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Gardner, Benjamin Walter Logan, David Gilbert Mr. Paling and Mr. Groves.
George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) Macdonald, Gordon (Ince)