HC Deb 07 November 1934 vol 293 cc1039-43

May I ask the Prime Minister to state what the business will be to-morrow and on Friday?

The PRIME MINISTER (Mr. Ramsay MacDonald)

Sufficient progress has been made in Committee on the Betting Bill during the last two days, that it seems reasonable to expect that the Committee stage will be concluded tonight without an unduly late sitting. On this assumption, the Business will be as follows:

To-morrow (Thursday): Discussion of the Motion standing on the Order Paper in the name of the right hon. Gentleman the Leader of the Opposition which relates to the Private Manufacture of and Trade in Arms.

Friday: Committee and remaining stages of the Poor Law Bill, and of the Dindings Agreement (Approval) Bill [Lords]; Consideration of Motions to approve Additional Import Duties Orders, Nos. 26 to 33 (inclusive), and of the Order relating to the Sheiffdom of Perth and Angus. That Order was published in the Order Paper yesterday and refers to the amalgamation of Sheriffdoms.

On either day, should there be time, other Orders may be taken.


Will the right hon. Gentleman be good enough to say whether it is the intention of the Government to take the Third Reading of the Poor Law Bill on Friday?


Yes. I announced, as the hon. Member will have noticed, the Committee and remaining stages of the Bill.


Does that mean that the Government have no intention of accepting any Amendment to the Poor Law Bill on the Committee stage? Obviously, to proceed with the Third Reading means that no Amendments can be accepted and that there will be no Report stage. Will he not reconsider his decision and wait until he has heard the Debate on Friday, especially in view of the fact that the Minister introducing the Bill said that it was intended to make the law in England the same as the law in Scotland? As the Bill does not do so, will the right hon. Gentleman wait until he hears the Debate on Friday before he makes up his mind that there shall be no Report stage and no alteration in the Bill?


The phrase "Committee and remaining stages "includes the Report stage, if a Report stage is necessary. If a Report stage be necessary, there will be so much more to do on Friday. We expect to get the whole programme and will take every step necessary to enable us to get it all.


Are the Government prepared to have an open mind on the Bill or not? They can hardly take the Third Reading of the Bill if they accept Amendments on the Committee stage on that day, and, in view of that fact, will the right hon. Gentleman reconsider the position and keep an open mind on the Bill until he has heard the Debate?


I can assure the hon. Member that the Government will keep an open mind on Friday in listening to the arguments brought forward on the Bill.

Motion made, and Question put, That the Proceedings on Government Business be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[The Prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 245; Noes, 36.

Division No. 388.] AYES. [3.50 p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Elliot, Rt. Hon. Walter Knox, Sir Alfred
Allen, Lt.-Col. J. Sandeman (B'k'nh'd.) Elliston, Captain George Sampson Lamb, Sir Joseph Quinton
Allen, William (Stoke-on-Trent) Elmley, Viscount Lambert, Rt. Hon. George
Applin, Lieut.-Col. Reginald V. K. Emmott, Charles E. G. C. Law, Sir Alfred
Aske, Sir Robert William Emrys-Evans, P. V. Law, Richard K. (Hull. S.W.)
Assheton, Ralph Evans, David Owen (Cardigan) Leech, Dr. J. W.
Baillie, Sir Adrian W. M. Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univ.) Lees-Jones, John
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Evans, R. T. (Carmarthen) Leigh, Sir John
Baldwin-Webb, Colonel J. Fermoy, Lord Leighton, Major B. E. P.
Balniel, Lord Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst Lindsay, Noel Ker
Barrie, Sir Charles Coupar Fleming, Edward Lascelles Lister, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Cunliffe-
Beaumont. Hon. R.E.B. (Portsm'th,C.) Flint, Abraham John Lloyd, Geoffrey
Benn, Sir Arthur Shirley Foot, Dingle (Dundee) Loftus, Pierce C.
Bernays, Robert Foot, Isaac (Cornwall, Bodmin) Lumley, Captain Lawrence R.
Birchall, Major Sir John Dearman Fox, Sir Gifford Lyons, Abraham Montagu
Blindell, James Ganzoni, Sir John Mebane, William
Borodale, Viscount Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John MacAndrew, Lieut -Col. C. G. (Partick)
Bower, Commander Robert Tatton Gluckstein, Louis Halle MacAndrew, Capt. J. O. (Ayr)
Bowyer, Capt. Sir George E. W. Glyn, Major Sir Ralph G. C. McCorquodale, M. S.
Boyce, H. Leslie Goodman, Colonel Albert W. MacDonald, Rt. Hn. J. R. (Seaham)
Braithwaite. J. G. (Hillsborough) Graham, Sir F. Fergus (C'mb'ri'd. N.) McKie, John Hamilton
Brass, Captain Sir William Granville, Edgar Maclay, Hon. Joseph Paton
Briscoe, Capt. Richard George Grattan-Doyle, Sir Nicholas Magnay, Thomas
Broadbent, Colonel John Grimston, R. V. Makins, Brigadier-General Ernest
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Guest, Capt. Rt. Hon. F. E. Mander, Geoffrey le M.
Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) Guy, J. C. Morrison Manningham-Buller, Lt.-Col. Sir M.
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H. Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R.
Brown, Brig.-Gen.H.C.(Berks.,Newb'y) Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford) Marsden, Commander Arthur
Browne, Captain A. C. Hamilton, Sir R. W.(Orkney & Zetl'nd) Mason, David M. (Edinburgh, E.)
Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T. Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Mayhew, Lieut.-Colonel John
Burgin, Dr. Edward Leslie Harbord, Arthur Mills, Sir Frederick (Leyton, E.)
Butt, Sir Alfred Harris, Sir Percy Milne, Charles
Cadogan, Hon. Edward Harvey, George (Lambeth,Kenn'gt'n) Molson, A. Hugh Elsdale
Campbell, Sir Edward Taswell (Brmly) Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Monsell, Rt. Hon. Sir B. Eyres
Carver, Major William H. Haslam, Henry (Horncastle) Moore, Lt.-Col. Thomas C. R. (Ayr)
Castlereagh, Viscount Haslam, Sir John (Bolton) Moore-Brabazon, Lieut.-Col, J. T. C.
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Heilgers, Captain F. F. A. Moreing, Adrian C.
Cayzer, Maj. Sir H. R. (Prtsmth.,S.) Herbert, Major J. A. (Monmouth) Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh)
Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.) Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. Morrison, G. A. (Scottish Univer'ties)
Cazalet, Capt. V. A. (Chippenham) Holdsworth, Herbert Morrison, William Shepherd
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Edgbaston) Hope, Capt. Hon. A. O. J. (Aston) Moss, Captain H. J.
Christie. James Archibald Hope, Sydney (Chester, Stalybrldge) Muirhead, Lieut.-Colonel A. J.
Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer Hopkinson, Austin Nation, Brigadier-General J. J. H.
Clayton, Sir Christopher Hore-Belisha, Leslie Nicholson, Rt. Hn. W. G. (Petersf'ld)
Cobb. Sir Cyril Hornby, Frank Normand, Rt. Hon. Wilfrid
Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. Horobin, Ian M. Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William G. A.
Colfox, Major William Philip Howitt, Dr. Alfred B. Orr Ewing, I. L.
Colman, N. C. D. Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney,N.) Palmer, Francis Noel
Colville, Lieut.-Colonel J. Hunter, Capt. M. J. (Brigg) Patrick, Colin M.
Cooper, A. Duff Hurd, Sir Percy Pearson, William G.
Copeland, Ida Hurst, Sir Gerald B. Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)
Critchley, Brig.-General A. C. Iveagh, Countess of Pike, Cecil F.
Crookshank, Capt. H. C. (Galnsb'ro) James, Wing-Com. A. W. H. Pybus, Sir John
Culverwell, Cyril Tom Jamieson, Douglas Ramsay, Capt. A. H. M. (Midlothian)
Davidson, Rt. Hon. J. C. C. Joel, Dudley J. Barnato Ramsay, T. B. W. (Western Isles)
Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset,Yeovil) Johnston, J. W. (Clackmannan) Ramsden, Sir Eugene
Dawson, Sir Philip Johnstone, Harcourt (S. Shields) Rathbone, Eleanor
Dickie, John P. Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Ray, Sir William
Dixey, Arthur C. N. Jones, Levels (Swansea, West) Rea, Walter Russell
Dugdale, Captain Thomas Lionel Ker, J. Campbell Reid, James S. C. (Stirling)
Duggan, Hubert John Keyes, Admiral Sir Roger Rhys, Hon. Charles Arthur U.
Eady, George H. Kirkpatrick, William M. Rickards, George William
Eden, Rt. Hon. Anthony Knight, Holford Robinson, John Roland
Rosbotham, Sir Thomas Soper, Richard Wardlaw-Milne, Sir John S.
Ross Taylor, Walter (Woodbridge) Southby, Commander Archibald R. J. Warrender, Sir Victor A. G.
Ruggies-Brise, Colonel E. A. Spencer, Captain Richard A. Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Russell, Albert (Kirkcaldy) Spender-Clay, Rt. Hon. Herbert H. Watt, Captain George Steven H.
Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Fylde) Wayland, Sir William A.
Russell, R. J. (Eddisbury) Stanley, Rt. Hon. Oliver (W'morland) Weymouth, Viscount
Rutherford, Sir John Hugo (Liverp'l) Steel-Maitland, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur White, Henry Graham
Salt, Edward W. Stevenson, James Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Sandeman, Sir A. N. Stewart Stones, James Williams, Herbert G. (Croydon, S.)
Sanderson, Sir Frank Barnard Strickland, Captain W. F. Wills, Wilfrid D.
Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip A. G. D. Sueter, Rear-Admiral Sir Murray F. Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Shakespeare, Geoffrey H. Sutcliffe, Harold Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby) Wise, Alfred R.
Sinclair, Maj. Rt. Hn. Sir A.(C'thness) Thompson, Sir Luke Womersley, Sir Walter
Smith, Sir J. Walker- (Barrow-in-F.) Titchfield, Major the Marquess of Wood, Sir Murdoch McKenzie (Banff)
Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam) Todd, A. L. S. (Kingswinford) Worthington, Dr. John V.
Smith, Sir Robert (Ab'd'n & K'dine, C.) Train, John
Smithers, Sir Waldron Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Somervell, Sir Donald Wallace, John (Dunfermline) Sir Frederick Thomson and Sir George Penny.
Somerville, Annesley A. (Windsor) Ward, Lt.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull)
Adams, D. M. (Poplar, South) Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) Parkinson, John Allen
Attlee, Clement Richard Griffiths, George A. (Yorks, W. Riding) Salter, Dr. Alfred
Banfield, John William Grundy, Thomas W. Smith, Tom (Normanton)
Brown, C. W. E. (Notts., Mansfield) Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown) Thorne, William James
Buchanan, George Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Tinker, John Joseph
Cape, Thomas Kirkwood, David West, F. R.
Daggar, George Lawson, John James Williams, Edward John (Ogmore)
Davies, David L. (Pontypridd) Logan, David Gilbert Williams, Dr. John H. (Llanelly)
Davies, Stephen Owen Lunn, William Williams, Thomas (York, Don Valley)
Dobbie, William McEntee, Valentine L. Wilmot, John
Edwards, Charles Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan)
Gardner, Benjamin Walter Owen, Major Goronwy TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) Paling, Wilfred Mr. G. Macdonald and Mr. Groves.

Motion made, and Question, "That the Clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill," put, and agreed to.