HC Deb 05 July 1934 vol 291 cc2073-7

May I ask the Lord President of the Council the business for next week.


On Monday: Supply (13th Allotted Day), Committee, Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries Vote.

Tuesday: Supply (14th Allotted Day), Committee; but an agreement has been come to, to suit the convenience of the whole House, to enable a Motion to be put down in regard to the shipping industry, and the Debate will be on that subject on that day.

Wednesday: Second Reading of the Colonial Stock Bill; Report and Third Beading of the Shops Bill [Lords]; and Motion to approve the Amendment of the Hops Marketing Scheme, 1932.

Thursday: Supply (15th Allotted Day), Committee, Colonial Office.

The business for Friday will be announced later.

On any day, if there is time, other business will be taken.


May I ask the Lord President of the Council a question? I have not had an opportunity of giving him notice because the circumstances arose only in the last hour. With regard to Tuesday, the right hon. Gentleman knows that I am keenly interested, and my constituency is considerably involved, in the shipping industry. The Committee upstairs which is dealing with the Incitement to Disaffection Bill has decided to meet on that afternoon. I want to ask if the Lord President can do something to make it possible for hon. Members who are working on that Committee to be present when the shipping question is being discussed.


I am afraid the meetings of Committees upstairs have nothing at all to do with the Leader of the House. I would point out that if it be the fact, as I have no doubt it is, because the hon. Member says so, that the Committee will sit in the afternoon, the Debate on shipping will run to 11 o'clock and I doubt very much whether the Committee upstairs will sit as long as that.


I am really anxious to get something done in this matter. I do not know whether it affects any other Member of the House. [An HON. MEMBER: "You are leader of a party!"] I am not laying stress on that point; but certainly I belong to a party which tries to do its work efficiently. The right hon. Gentleman knows that the important part of the Debate will be at the beginning, when the Ministerial statement will be made, and that is precisely the time at which the Committee have arranged to meet—at four o'clock. I know that the right hon. Gentleman is not responsible for the arrangement of the business of Committees, but I am quite sure that, if he cared to meet a Member of the Opposition, some word from him to the Ministers who are responsible for that Measure could easily secure some readjustment.


I venture to support the appeal of the hon. Member for Bridgeton (Mr. Maxton). I have found myself in somewhat similar difficulties owing to my membership of the Joint Select Committee on India, and I cannot help thinking that the House is in some danger of depriving itself of assistance that it would wish to have by the simultaneous meeting of Committees and the House. I hope that my right hon. Friend, in view of the circumstances of this case, will feel that it is not beyond the scope of his authority to call the attention of the Chairman of the Committee to the circumstances and ask whether the Committee could not meet earlier in the afternoon and finish its sitting at 4 o'clock instead of beginning it then.


May I supplement the point made by the hon. Member for Bridgeton by saying that I think it can be accepted that there has been no undue prolongation of Debate in that Committee. [HON. MEMBERS: "Oh!"] I ask any hon. Member to look at the number of times we have met. There is a more important fact still, that on two occasions when it has not met one half of the Government Members were not present. The Committee has also been suspended on various occasions and has eventually adjourned. I really think the right hon. Gentleman might give this matter serious attention, because it really is not fair to ask us to meet in the afternoons.


Will the right hon. Gentleman, who is asked to use his influence in that direction, very fully examine the case, and I think he will realise that that Committee have sat on a very large number of days and that it is a Bill which contains only four short Clauses?


With reference to the announcement of business and the statement that any other business may be taken, will the right hon. Gentleman give consideration to the point that the Silk Duties (No. 1) Order should not be taken without notice being given to those Members who are interested in that subject?

Motion made, and Question put, That the Proceedings on Government Business be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[Mr. Baldwin.]

The House divided: Ayes, 242; Noes, 40.

Division No. 318.] AYES. [3.45 p.m.
Acland, Rt. Hon. Sir Francis Dyke Clarry, Reginald George Guy, J. C. Morrison
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Cobb, Sir Cyrll Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H.
Adams, Samuel Vyvyan T. (Leeds, W.) Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. Hales, Harold K.
Agnew, Lieut.-Com. P. G. Collins, Rt. Hon. Sir Godfrey Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford)
Allen, William (Stoke-on-Trent) Colman, N. C. D. Hanbury, Cecil
Anstruther-Gray, W. J. Colville, Lieut.-Colonel J. Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry
Applin, Lieut.-Col. Reginald V. K. Conant, R. J. E. Hartington, Marquess of
Astor, Viscountess (Plymouth, Sutton) Cook, Thomas A. Hartland, George A.
Atholl, Duchess of Cooke, Douglas Haslam, Henry (Horncastle)
Baillie, Sir Adrlan W. M. Cooper, A. Duff Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P.
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Cranborne, Viscount Herbert, Major J. A. (Monmouth)
Baldwin-Webb, Colonel J. Critchley, Brig.-General A. C. Hills, Major Rt. Hon. John Waller
Balfour, Capt. Harold (I. of Thanet) Crooks, J. Smedley Holdsworth, Herbert
Balniel, Lord Crookshank, Col. C. de Windt (Bootle) Hope, Capt. Hon. A. O. J. (Aston)
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Crookshank, Capt. H. C. (Galnsb'ro) Hornby, Frank
Beauchamp, Sir Brograve Campbell Cross, R. H. Horsbrugh, Florence
Beaumont, M. W. (Bucks., Aylesbury) Cruddas, Lieut.-Colonel Bernard Howitt, Dr. Alfred B.
Beaumont, Hon. R. E. B. (Portsm'tn, C.) Culverwell, Cyril Tom Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.)
Beit, Sir Alfred L. Curry, A. C. Hurd, Sir Percy
Benn, Sir Arthur Shirley Davison, Sir William Henry Hurst, Sir Gerald B.
Bennett, Capt. Sir Ernest Nathaniel Dawson, Sir Philip Inskip, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas W. H.
Bernays, Robert Denman, Hon. R. D. Jamieson, Douglas
Bossom, A. C Denville, Alfred Ker, J. Campbell
Boulton, W. W. Dickie, John P. Kerr, Lieut.-Col. Charles (Montrose)
Bowater, Col. Sir T. Vansittart Doran, Edward Kerr, Hamilton W.
Bower, Commander Robert Tatton Drummond-Wolff, H. M. C. Keyes, Admiral Sir Roger
Bowyer, Capt. Sir George E. W. Duckworth, George A. V Knight, Holford
Boyd-Carpenter, Sir Archibald Dugdale, Captain Thomas Llonel Knox, Sir Alfred
Brass, Captain Sir William Duggan, Hubert John Lambert, Rt. Hon. George
Broadbent, Colonel John Duncan, James A. L. (Kensington, N.) Leech, Dr. J. W.
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Dunglass, Lord Leighton, Major B. E. P.
Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) Elmley, Viscount Lindsay, Kenneth (Kilmarnock)
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Emrys-Evans, P. V. Lindsay, Noel Ker
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks., Newb'y) Essenhigh, Reginald Clare Llster, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Cunliffe-
Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T. Evans, R. T. (Carmarthen) Locker-Lampson, Rt. Hn. G. (Wd. G'n)
Burnett, John George Everard, W. Lindsay Loftus, Pierce C.
Cadogan, Hon. Edward Foot, Dingle (Dundee) Mabane, William
Campbell, Sir Edward Taswell (Brmly) Foot, Isaac (Cornwall, Bodmin) MacAndrew, Lieut.-Col. C. G. (Partick)
Castlereagh, Viscount Fox, Sir Gifford MacAndrew, Capt. J. O. (Ayr)
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.)
Cayzer, Maj. Sir H. R. (Prtsmth., S.) Glossop, C. W. H. Maclay, Hon. Joseph Paton
Cazalet, Capt. V. A. (Chippenham) Glyn, Major Sir Ralph G. C. McLean, Major Sir Alan
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. Sir J. A. (Birm., W) Goff, Sir Park McLean, Dr. W. H. (Tradeston)
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Edgbaston) Grattan-Doyle, Sir Nicholas Manningham-Buller, Lt.-Col. Sir M.
Chapman, Sir Samuel (Edinburgh, S.) Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R.
Chorlton, Alan Ernest Leofric Grimston, R. V. Marsden, Commander Arthur
Christie, James Archibald Guest, Capt. Rt. Hon. F. E Martin, Thomas B.
Mason, David M. (Edinburgh, E.) Ramsden, Sir Eugene Stones, James
Mayhew, Lieut.-Colonel John Rea, Walter Russell Strauss, Edward A.
Mills, Sir Frederick (Leyton, E.) Reid, James S. C. (Stirling) Strickland, Captain W. F.
Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest) Remer, John R. Sueter, Rear-Admiral Sir Murray F.
Milne, Charles Rhys, Hon. Charles Arthur U. Sugden, Sir Wilfrid Hart
Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) Rickards, George William Sutcliffe, Harold
Moreing, Adrian C. Ropner, Colonel L. Tate, Mavis Constance
Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh) Rosbotham, Sir Thomas Taylor, Vice-Admiral E. A. (P'dd'gt'n, S.)
Morrison, G. A. (Scottish Univer'ties) Ross, Ronald D. Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby)
Moss, Captain H. J, Ross Taylor, Walter (Woodbridge) Todd, Capt. A. J. K. (B'wick-on-T.)
Muirhead, Lieut.-Colonel A. J. Ruggles-Brise, Colonel E. A. Todd, A. L. S. (Kingswinford)
Munro, Patrick Runge, Norah Cecil Train, John
Nation, Brigadier-General J. J. H. Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) Tree, Ronald
Nicholson, Godfrey (Morpeth) Russell, Hamer Field (Sheffield, B'tside) Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Nicholson, Rt. Hn. W. G. (Petersf'ld) Russell, R. J. (Eddisbury) Wallace, Captain D. E. (Hornsey)
Normand, Rt. Hon. Wilfrid Rutherford, John (Edmonton) Wallace, John (Dunfermline)
North, Edward T. Salmon, Sir Isldore Ward, Lt.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull)
Nunn, William Samuel, Sir Arthur Michael (F'nham) Ward, Irene Mary Bewick (Wallsend)
O'Connor, Terence James Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen) Warrender, Sir Victor A. G.
Oman, Sir Charles William C. Sandeman, Sir A. N. Stewart Watt, Captain George Steven H.
Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William G. A. Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip A. G. D. Wedderburn, Henry James Scrymgeour
Orr Ewing, I. L. Shaw, Helen B. (Lanark, Bothwell) White, Henry Graham
Palmer, Francis Noel Simmonds, Oliver Edwin Whiteside, Borras Noel H.
Patrick, Colin M. Sinclair, Maj. Rt. Hn. Sir A. (C'thness) Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Peake, Osbert Skelton, Archibald Noel Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Pearson, William G. Smiles, Lieut.-Col. Sir Walter D. Wise, Alfred R.
Peters, Dr. Sidney John Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam) Womersley, Sir Walter
Petherick, M Smith, Sir Robert (Ab'd'n & K'dine, C.) Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir H. Kingsley
Potter, John Somervell, Sir Donald Wood, Sir Murdoch McKenzie (Banff)
Pownall, Sir Assheton Somerville, Annesley A. (Windsor) Worthington, Dr. John V.
Procter, Major Henry Adam Sotheron-Estcourt, Captain T. E. Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton (S'v'noaks)
Radford, E. A. Southby, Commander Archibald R. J.
Ramsay, Alexander (W. Bromwich) Spender-Clay, Rt. Hon. Herbert H. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Ramsay, T. B. W. (Western Isles) Stanley, Rt. Hon. Oliver (W'morland) Sir Frederick Thomson and Sir
Ramsbotham, Herwald Stewart, J. H. (Fife, E.) George Penny.
Banfield, John William Grenfell, David Rees (Glamorgan) Mander, Geoffrey le M.
Batey, Joseph Griffiths, George A. (Yorks, W. Riding) Maxton, James
Buchanan, George Hall, George H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Milner, Major James
Cape, Thomas Healy, Cahir Owen, Major Goronwy
Cocks, Frederick Seymour Jenkins, Sir William Salter, Dr. Alfred
Cove, William G. Kirkwood, David Smith, Tom (Normanton)
Cripps, Sir Stafford Lawson, John James Tinker, John Joseph
Daggar, George Leonard, William Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. Josiah
Davies, David L. (Pontypridd) Logan, David Gilbert West, F. R.
Dobbie, William Lunn, William Williams, David (Swansea, East)
Edwards, Charles Macdonald, Gordon (Ince) Williams, Dr. John H. (Llanelly)
Gardner, Benjamin Walter McEntee, Valentine L Wilmot, John
George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan)
Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) Mainwaring, William Henry TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Mr. John and Mr. Groves.

Question put, and agreed to.

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