HC Deb 22 February 1934 vol 286 cc512-7

May I ask the Lord President whether he will state the business for next week; also, how far he intends to go if the Motion for the Suspension of the Eleven o'Clock Rule standing on the Paper in the name of the Prime Minister is carried. Further, can he tell us when the Vote on Account will be in the Vote Office?


With regard to the Motion in the name of the Prime Minister, there are three Orders which we desire to obtain—the Rural Water Supplies Bill, Second Reading; the Air Force Reserve (Pilots and Observers) Bill, Second Reading; and the Committee stage of the Money Resolution on North Atlantic Shipping (Advances). The Motion to approve the Amendment of the Hops Marketing Scheme will not be taken to-day. We propose to take in its place the Motion in regard to North Atlantic Shipping. I hope the House will recognise the urgency of this matter. We hope to obtain the Committee stage of the Resolution to-night. As to the Vote on Account, perhaps the hon. Gentleman will put himself in communication in the course of the day with my right hon. Friend by my side, who will be able, I hope, to supply the information, because I have not got it now.

Business for next week will be:

On any day, if there is time, other Orders may be taken.

If the Committee stage of the North Atlantic Shipping Money Resolution is obtained to-night, it is proposed to take the Report stage of the Resolution on Monday, in order that the Bill may be brought in, printed and made available to Members at the earliest date.

I am informed that the Vote on Account was circulated last Saturday.


I am not aware of the negotiations which are taking place through the usual channels, but do I understand that the first allotted Supply Day is to be utilised for Government business?


There is no regulation of any kind which prevents anything being raised on that occasion. If one subject is raised and discussed, it does not prevent other subjects being discussed—unless the discussion on the first subject occupies the whole day. In my recollection, more than one subject is generally taken on a day. I do not quite see the point of the hon. Member.


Do I understand that the Board of Trade Vote is to be taken on the first Supply Day——




—and with other business. But the question of the Russian Trade Agreement is Government Business, which presumably will be brought before the House by the Government and not on the request of the Opposition.


I understood that there was a general desire on the part of the House that this agreement should be discussed. This is the first occasion on which it could be discussed—I am not sure, without reference, whether it is the only occasion, but there certainly will not be any ordinary Supply Days this side of Easter. The first, and probably the only, occasion is the Debate on Thursday of next week. I do not know who is going to open the Debate, but obviously a Member of the Government will give such explanations to the House as they may desire and to enable discussion to take place profitably.


I am afraid I have not made my point clear. Am I wrong in believing that the Government are under an obligation to bring the Russian Trade Agreement before this House for endorsement? If that is so, I am entering my protest against a Supply Day, which is an Opposition day, being used for the furtherance of Government Business.


Can the Lord President inform the House, as I think was understood from previous assurances, that we shall have an opportunity of definitely expressing our opinion whether or not the Trade Agreement with Russia is to be ratified?


I think I have now got the point of the hon. Member for Bridgeton (Mr. Maxton). The House was told some time ago that before the agreement was ratified it should be brought before the House for discussion, and this is a convenient opportunity to do so, and, in that way, to meet the wishes of the House. It is not being forced on the House by the Government. It is immaterial to us what we discuss; we expect to be challenged on anything.


I am sorry to press this business. Do I understand that if on that Supply Day the Vote is carried by the House, that it automatically ratifies the Russian Treaty?


On that point, surely the agreement will not have to be officially ratified by the House at all? We shall be simply discussing it on a Supply Day, and we do not officially ratify it?


Not at all. But it is open to hon. Members to frame a Resolution in such a form as would enable those who disapprove of the agreement to vote against it.


Is there any precedent for the course that has been taken, or will this set a new precedent—that foreign agreements which have to be brought before the House are to be taken on Supply Days?


I do not think that as a rule foreign agreements have to be brought before the House.


Do we understand that the whole Board of Trade Vote will have to be thrown out if the House disagrees with the Trade Agreement?

Motion made, and Question put:

"That the Proceedings on Government Business be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[Mr. Baldwin.]

The House divided: Ayes, 256; Noes, 31.

Division No. 120.] AYES. [3.49 p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Entwistle, Cyril Fullard Marsden, Commander Arthur
Adams, Samuel Vyvyan T. (Leeds, W.) Erskine, Lord (Weston-super-Mare) Martin, Thomas B.
Albery, Irving James Evans, Capt. Arthur (Cardiff, S.) Mason, David M. (Edinburgh, E.)
Allen, William (Stoke-on-Trent) Evans, David Owen (Cardigan) Mayhew, Lieut.-Colonel John
Anstruther-Gray, W. J. Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univ.) Meller, Sir Richard James
Apsley, Lord Evans, R. T. (Carmarthen) Mills, Sir Frederick (Layton, E.)
Astor, Viscountess (Plymouth, Sutton) Everard, W. Lindsay Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest)
Atholl, Duchess of Fermoy, Lord Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham)
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Fleming, Edward Lascelies Mitcheson, G. G.
Baldwin-Webb, Colonel J. Foot, Isaac (Cornwall, Bodmin) Monsell, Rt. Hon. Sir B. Eyres
Balniel, Lord Fox, Sir Gifford Morris, Owen Temple (Cardiff, E.)
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Gillett, Sir George Masterman Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh)
Barton, Capt. Basil Kelsey Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Moss, Captain H. J.
Beauchamp, Sir Brograve Campbell Glossop, C. W. H. Muirhead, Lieut.-Colonel A. J.
Beaumont, Hon. R.E.B. (Portsm'th, C.) Gluckstein, Louis Halle Nation, Brigadier-General J. J. H.
Beit, Sir Alfred L. Glyn, Major Sir Ralph G. C. Nicholson, Godfrey (Morpeth)
Benn, Sir Arthur Shirley Goff, Sir Park Nicholson, Rt. Hn. W. G. (Petersf'ld)
Birchall, Major Sir John Dearman Goldie, Noel B. Normand, Rt. Hon. Wilfrid
Blindell, James Goodman, Colonel Albert W. North, Edward T.
Borodale, Viscount Graham, Sir F. Fergus (C'mb'rl'd, N.) Nunn, William
Bossom, A. C. Granville, Edgar Oman, Sir Charles William C.
Boulton, W. W. Graves, Marjorie Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William G. A.
Bowyer, Capt. Sir George E. W. Grimston, R. V. Patrick, Colin M.
Brass, Captain Sir William Gunston, Captain D. W. Peake, Captain Osbert
Broadbent, Colonel John Guy, J. C. Morrison Pearson, William G.
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H. Perkins, Walter R. D.
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford) Peters, Dr. Sidney John
Browne, Captain A. C. Hamilton, Sir R. W. (Orkney & Zetl'nd) Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)
Buchan, John Harris, Sir Percy Procter, Major Henry Adam
Buchan-Hepbur.n, P. G. T. Haslam, Henry (Horncastle) Ramsay, Capt. A. H. M. (Midlothian)
Bullock, Captain Malcolm Henderson, Sir Vivian L. (Chelmsford) Ramsay, T. B. W. (Western Isles)
Burgin, Dr. Edward Leslie Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P. Ramsbotham, Herwald
Butler, Richard Austen Hills, Major Rt. Hon. John Waller Rankin, Robert
Cadogan, Hon. Edward Holdsworth, Herbert Ratcliffe, Arthur
Caine, G. R. Hall- Hope, Capt. Hon. A. O. J. (Aston) Rathbone, Eleanor
Campbell, Sir Edward Taswell (Brmly) Hore-Belisha, Leslie Ray, Sir William
Campbell-Johnston, Malcolm Horsbrugh, Florence Rea, Walter Russell
Caporn, Arthur Cecil Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Reid, James S. C. (Stirling)
Carver, Major William H. Hudson, Robert Spear (Southport) Reid, William Allan (Derby)
Castlereagh, Viscount Hunter, Capt. M. J. (Brigg) Renwick, Major Gustav A.
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Hurd, Sir Percy Rickards, George William
Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.) Jackson, Sir Henry (Wandsworth, C.) Rosbotham, Sir Thomas
Cazalet, Capt. V. A. (Chippenham) James, Wing-Com. A. W. H. Ross, Ronald D.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. Sir J. A. (Birm., W) Jesson, Major Thomas E. Ruggles-Brise, Colonel E. A.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Edgbaston) Joel, Dudley J. Barnato Runge, Norah Cecil
Chapman, Col. R. (Houghton-le-Spring) Johnstone, Harcourt (S. Shields) Russell, Hamer Field (Sheffield, B'tside)
Chorlton, Alan Ernest Leofric Jones, Lewis (Swansea, West) Russell, R. J. (Eddisbury)
Christle, James Archibald Ker, J. Campbell Rutherford, John (Edmonton)
Clarke, Frank Kerr, Hamilton W. Rutherford, Sir John Hugo (Liverp'l)
Clarry, Reginald George Knox, Sir Alfred Salmon, Sir Isidore
Clayton, Sir Christopher Lamb, Sir Joseph Quinton Samuel, Sir Arthur Michael (F'nham)
Conant, R. J. E. Lambert, Rt. Hon. George Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen)
Cooke, Douglas Law, Sir Alfred Sandeman, Sir A. N. Stewart
Cooper, A. Duff Law, Richard K. (Hull, S. W.) Savery, Samuel Servington
Craddock, Sir Reginald Henry Leech, Dr. J. W. Scone, Lord
Craven-Ellis, William Lees-Jones, John Shakespeare, Geoffrey H.
Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. Levy, Thomas Shaw, Helen B. (Lanark, Bothwell)
Crooke, J. Smedley Lewis, Oswald Simmonds, Oliver Edwin
Crookshank, Capt. H. C. (Gainsb'ro) Locker-Lampson, Rt. Hn. G. (Wd, G'n) Sinclair, Col. T. (Queen's Unv., Belfast)
Cross, R. H. Lockwood, John C. (Hackney, C.) Skelton, Archibald Noel
Culverwell, Cyril Tom Loder, Captain J. de Vere Smith, R. W. (Ab'rd'n & Kinc'dine, C.)
Dalkeith, Earl of Lumley, Captain Lawrence R. Smithers, Waldron
Davison, Sir William Henry Mabane, William Somerville, Annesley A (Windsor)
Denman, Hon. R. D. MacAndrew, Lieut.-Col. C. G. (Partick) Soper, Richard
Denville, Alfred MacAndrew, Capt. J. O. (Ayr) Sotheron-Estcourt, Captain T. E.
Despencer-Robertson, Major J. A. F. MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Seaham) Southby, Commander Archibald R. J.
Donner, P. W. McKie, John Hamilton Spears, Brigadier-General Edward L.
Doran, Edward McLean, Major Sir Alan Spencer, Captain Richard A.
Drewe, Cedric McLean, Dr. W. H. (Tradeston) Spender-Clay, Rt. Hon. Herbert H.
Duckworth, George A. V. Maitland, Adam Spens, William Patrick
Duggan, Hubert John Makins, Brigadier-General Ernest Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Fylde)
Elliot, Rt. Hon. Walter Mander, Geoffrey le M. Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westmorland)
Elmley, Viscount Manningham-Buller, Lt.-Col. Sir M. Steel-Maitland, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur
Emrys-Evans, P. V. Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R. Stewart, J. H. (Fife, E.)
Stewart, William J. (Belfast, S.) Turton, Robert Hugh Wills, Wilfrid D.
Storey, Samuel Wallace, Captain D. E. (Hornsey) Wilson, Clyde T. (West Toxteth)
Stourton, Hon. John J. Ward, Lt.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull) Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Strauss, Edward A. Ward, Irene Mary Bewick (Wallsend) Wise, Alfred R.
Strickland, Captain W. F. Ward, Sarah Adelaide (Cannock) Womersley, Walter James
Sutcliffe, Harold Warrender, Sir Victor A. G. Wood, Sir Murdoch McKenzie (Banff)
Tate, Mavis Constance Waterhouse, Captain Charles Worthington, Dr. John V.
Templeton, William P. Watt, Captain George Steven H. Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton (S'v'oaks)
Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby) Wedderburn, Henry James Scrymgeour
Thomas, James P. L. (Hereford) Whiteside, Borras Noel H. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Thompson, Sir Luke Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay) Sir Frederick Thomson and Sir George Penny.
Titchfield, Major the Marquess of Williams, Herbert G. (Croydon, S.)
Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Adams, D. M. (Poplar, South) Groves, Thomas E. Mainwaring, William Henry
Banfield, John William Hall, George H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Milner, Major James
Batey, Joseph Jenkins, Sir William Paling, Wilfred
Bevan, Aneurin (Ebbw Vale) John, William Parkinson, John Allen
Brown, C. W. E. (Notts., Mansfield) Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Smith, Tom (Normanton)
Cape, Thomas Kirkwood, David Tinker, John Joseph
Cocks, Frederick Seymour Leonard, William Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. Joslah
Daggar, George Logan, David Gilbert Williams, Dr. John H. (Llanelly)
Davies, David L. (Pontypridd) Macdonald, Gordon (Ince) Wilmot, John
Edwards, Charles McEntee, Valentine L.
Grenfell, David Rees (Glamorgan) Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Mr. Maxton and Mr. Buchanan.