HC Deb 18 May 1933 vol 278 cc513-4
33. Mr. LUNN

asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury what was the value per head of live cattle imported into the United Kingdom from the Irish Free State in the week ended 13th May, 1933, in the following categories: live cattle under six months old; six months old, but under 15 months old; 15 months old, but under two years old; two years old and upwards, not being cattle known as mIncers; live sheep and live lambs; and other animals?

Mr. HORE-BELISHA

The particulars required could not be extracted from the statistics of imports generally without a disproportionate expenditure of labour.

Mr. LUNN

Then on what did the hon. Gentleman base his calculations when he made the statement to the House that this change made no difference in the return on the duty, from what it would have been for a 40 per cent. ad valorem duty?

Mr. HORE-BELISHA

That is quite a different question. My hon. Friend has asked for particulars for one week. It would be very difficult to sort them out.

Mr. MAXTON

Can the Financial Secretary not give us the general facts which the hon. Member for Rothwell (Mr. Lunn) desires, apart from the limitation of one week?

Mr. HORE-BELISHA

I think it might be possible to give them for a longer period in the course of time if my hon. Friend will put down a further question, but it is not possible to extract the particulars for one week without great difficulty.

Mr. LUNN

If the hon. Gentleman has not this information, is it not then the fact that he misled the House the other night in his statement that there was no difference in result between the two forms of duty?

Mr. HORE-BELISHA

No, Sir, I should never mislead the House. The House was asked to approve an Order changing one procedure for another, and there is no appreciable difference, in the amount of the respective duties, as we are advised by the most competent experts on the subject.

Mr. SPEAKER

Lieut.-Colonel Heneage.

Mr. MAXTON

May I ask a further question? Is the hon. Gentleman aware that the House granted that concession very readily on his statement that it was merely a technical change, and that up to now he has not given us, in reply to questions, any reason to believe that it is purely a technical change?

Mr. HORE-BELISHA

I think there must be some misapprehension. The House of Commons was invited to approve an Order which changed ad valorem duties into specific duties. I gave the reasons why that change was to be made. Before we proposed to make that change we took advice from those competent to express an opinion upon the subject, and I am advised that the duties are, roughly, on an equality.

Captain Sir WILLIAM BRASS

On a point of Order, Mr. Speaker. Are hon. Members entitled to continue discussing this matter when you have already called the next question?

Mr. SPEAKER

The hon. and gallant Member must allow me to exercise my discretion.