§ Mr. LANSBURY
Will the Prime Minister tell us the business for next week, and may I at the same time ask how far the Government intend to go to-night?
§ The PRIME MINISTER (Mr. Ramsay MacDonald)
The Eleven o'clock rule is being suspended in order to obtain the Second Reading of the two Scottish Bills and the Financial Resolution relating to Administration of Justice (Scotland). The Motion to approve the Scottish Milk Marketing Scheme, which will be taken tonight, is exempted business.
The business for next week will be:
After 7.30 on Tuesday: Consideration of Motions approving the Irish Free State (Special Duties) (No. 2) Order. 1933, and Additional Import Duties Orders Nos. 4, 5, 6 and 8 of 1933—these orders are 1707 now in the Vote Office—the remaining stages of the Teachers (Superannuation) Bill, and the Second Reading of the Education (Necessity of Schools) Bill, which has come down from another place.
Wednesday: Second Reading of the Finance Bill.
Thursday: Supply (5th Allotted Day).
The Vote to be discussed will be announced later.
On any day, if there is time, other Orders may be taken.
It may also be convenient if I remind the House that Friday will be the last of the days set apart under the Standing Orders for the consideration of private Members' Bills.
§ Mr. LANSBURY
May we know in regard to the Exchange Equalisation Bill whether any modification is to be brought forward? I understand that we did not take the Third Reading last night in order to give the Chancellor of the Exchequer an opportunity—[Interruption.] The question I wish to ask is whether it is intended to meet the almost unanimous desire of the Committee last night that some modifications should be made in regard to the powers of the Auditor-General. If not, there is likely to be very considerable discussion on the Third Reading, and will it be fair to the House on so important a matter to take it after Eleven o'clock? The Prime Minister was not here last night. If he had been present he would have found that Members in all parts of the House desired the alteration, and I do not think that they will have altered their minds by Monday. I am not at all sure that the Government should ask for the whole of the business put down for Tuesday. I am aware that the Teachers (Superannuation) Bill and the Education (Necessity Schools) Bill are non-controversial, but the Irish Free State (Special Duties) Order and the Import Duties Orders may prove to be very controversial. They are matters which the House has a right to discuss at some length. I ask the right hon. Gentleman to give us another day for the discussion of the Finance Bill. We have had an opportunity of seeing the Bill, and there is a very important portion of the Bill, which has not yet been before any Committee or before the House, dealing with the Post Office and the allocation of the funds of 1708 the Post Office, which, I should think, will take up a good deal of the time of the discussion. Therefore, I ask the right hon. Gentleman to give us another day.
§ The PRIME MINISTER
As regards the Business last night—and I am always very sorry when I cannot be in the House—the situation was reported to me. The reason why we could not go further last night was that this is a Money Bill each stage of which must be taken on separate days. Obviously, there can be no change in the Bill on the Third Reading, so that the Bill which will be brought forward for the Third Reading will be the Bill as it left the House last night. It is not quite my business to say that I agree with regard to the suggestions concerning the Business on Tuesday, but let us see how we get on. As to the Business on Wednesday, it has been the rule, almost without any break—although I agree that there have been breaks when the Finance Bill has contained matters of very great importance—that not more than one day has been given for the Second Reading, and I should hope that the Bill will get its Second Reading on the first day. The point which my right hon. Friend raised, for instance, about the Post Office is pre-eminently a Committee point, and again I say, let us see how we get on. I would like to conserve as much time as possible. There are the usual channels through which to make any reasonable request regarding Business.
§ Mr. LANSBURY
I certainly think that we ought to press for and have a second day for the Second Reading of the Finance Bill. There is another matter which I think we shall hear something about on the Second Reading, and that is the proposal to tax the co-operative societies. I can hardly imagine that.by Wednesday the Chancellor of the Exchequer will not have something to say, but I have no choice but to accept the statement of the right hon. Gentleman that we may possibly get an extra day. On the Exchange Equalisation Bill I would press the Chancellor of the Exchequer as strongly as I possibly can to give us time before eleven o'clock to discuss the Third Reading of the Bill. We, and, I believe, many Members in the House, think that the public ought to know all that there is to know about the Bill and about the fact that the Government are to be entrusted with an 1709 enormous sum of money, almost without any check being placed upon them even months after their operations.
§ Mr. DAVID MASON
May I ask the right hon. Gentleman, in view of the fact that it was ruled out of order last night, to amend the Exchange Equalisation Bill and that it was not definitely stated that it would not be possible to incorporate such an Amendment in the Finance Bill, whether he will bear in mind the wishes expressed to him so well by the right hon. Gentleman the Leader of the Opposition when we come to the Finance Bill and consider the question of an Amendment being incorporated in the Finance Bill?
§ The PRIME MINISTER
I would remind the House that the point which has just been raised has nothing whatever to do with me. It has to do with the Chairman of the Committee. The question of a Co-operative tax, or anything else, must be subject to a special Resolution and cannot be discussed, I think, on the Second Reading of the Finance Bill. It can only be embodied in the Finance Bill if a Resolution has been moved and a full discussion has taken place.
§ Mr. MAXTON
May I ask the Prime Minister whether the Government have considered dropping the legislation against the Irish Free State having regard to the impending World Economic Conference and the Tariff Truce arrangement?
§ The PRIME MINISTER
I think that when I announced the business for next week it showed that we have not decided to drop it.
§ Mr. MAXTON
Does not the right hon. Gentleman think, having regard to the effect it might have on the World Economic Conference, that it would be worth while considering the dropping of these duties?
§ Sir HERBERT SAMUEL
With regard to the Exchange Equalisation Account Bill, although an Amendment would be out of order on the Bill, may I say that if the Chancellor of the Exchequer could
§ The PRIME MINISTER
I am afraid that my right hon. Friend cannot give any assurance of that character.
§ Mr. BUCHANAN
Has the Prime Minister yet considered making any announcement on the question of Unemployment Insurance, as he will be aware that the present Act expires on the 30th June, and that it is possibly the most important problem which the House can be called upon to face in the interests of the care and well-being of the unemployed. In view of the great anxiety in regard to the matter, is he in a position to make any announcement as to future plans? If not, can he give us any idea when an announcement on this matter which has been held out to us for so long is likely to be made?
§ The PRIME MINISTER
I am afraid that at the moment I cannot make any statement as to when an announcement will be made, but my hon. Friend knows that no Ministry can forget the 30th June.
§ Mr. BUCHANAN
In view of the great anxiety and the large number of people affected, will the right hon. Gentleman see that an early announcement is made as to whether it is the intention of the Government to carry on the Act as it is, or to make vital Amendments? Will he see to it that an early announcement is made?
Motion made, and Question put,
That other Government Business have precedence this day of the Business of Supply, and that the Proceedings on Government Business be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[The Prime Minister.]
§ The House divided: Ayes, 265; Noes, 37.1713
|Division No. 164.]||AYES.||[3.51 p.m.|
|Adams, Samuel Vyvyan T. (Leeds, W.)||Allen, Lt.-Col. J. Sandeman (B'k'nh'd.)||Astbury, Lieut.-Com. Frederick Wolfe|
|Agnew, Lieut.-Com. P. G.||Allen, William (Stoke-on-Trent)||Balllle, Sir Adrian W. M.|
|Altchison, Rt. Hon. Cralgle M.||Anstruther-Gray, W. J.||Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley|
|Albery, Irving James||Applin, Lieut.-Col. Reginald V. K.||Barclay-Harvey, C. M.|
|Barton, Capt. Basil Kelsey||Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H.||O'Neill, Rt. Hon. Sir Hugh|
|Beaumont, Hn. R.E.B. (Portsm'th, C.)||Hales, Harold K.||Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William G. A.|
|Belt, Sir Alfred L.||Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford)||Palmer, Francis Noel|
|Benn, Sir Arthur Shirley||Hamilton, Sir R. W.(Orkney & Zetl'nd)||Patrick, Colin M.|
|Bernays, Robert||Hanley, Dennis A.||Peters, Dr. Sidney John|
|Betterton, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry B.||Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry||Pownall, Sir Assheton|
|Borodale, Viscount.||Harbord, Arthur||Procter, Major Henry Adam|
|Boulton, W. W.||Harris, Sir Percy||Ralkes, Henry V. A. M.|
|Bower, Lieut.-Com. Robert Tatton||Hartington, Marquess of||Ramsay, Capt. A. H. M. (Midlothian)|
|Bowyer, Capt. Sir George E. W.||Hartland, George A.||Ramsay, T. B. W. (Western Isles)|
|Boyce, H. Lesile||Harvey, George (Lambeth, Kenningt'n)||Ramsbotham, Herwald|
|Brass, Captain Sir William||Haslam, Sir John (Bolton)||Ramsden, Sir Eugene|
|Broadbent, Colonel John||Headlam, Lieut.-Col. Cuthbert M.||Ray, Sir William|
|Brocklebank, C. E. R.||Heilgers, Captain F. F. A.||Rea, Walter Russell|
|Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks.,Newb'y)||Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P.||Reed, Arthur C. (Exeter)|
|Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T.||Herbert, Capt. S. (Abbey Division)||Reid, Capt. A. Cunningham-|
|Burghley, Lord||Hills, Major Rt. Hon. John Waller||Reld, James S. C. (Stirling)|
|Burgin, Dr. Edward Leslie||Holdsworth, Herbert||Reid, William Allan (Derby)|
|Burnett, John George||Hope, Capt. Hon. A. O. J. (Aston)||Robinson, John Roland|
|Cadogan, Hon. Edward||Hore-Belisha, Leslie||Ropner, Colonel L.|
|Campbell-Johnston, Malcolm||Hornby, Frank||Rosbotham, Sir Samuel|
|Caporn, Arthur Cecil||Howard, Tom Forrest||Ross, Ronald D.|
|Carver, Major William H.||Hudson, Robert Spear (Southport)||Ross Taylor, Walter (Woodbridge)|
|Castlereagh, Viscount||Hume, Sir George Hopwood||Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter|
|Cautley, Sir Henry S.||Hunter, Capt. M. J. (Brigg)||Runge, Norah Cecil|
|Cayzer, Maj. Sir H. R. (Prtsmth., S.)||Hurd, Sir Percy||Russell, Albert (Kirkcaldy)|
|Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.)||Hurst, Sir Gerald B.||Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)|
|Cazalet, Capt. V. A. (Chippenham)||Hutchison, W. D. (Essex, Romford)||Rutherford, John (Edmonton)|
|Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. Sir J. A. (Blrm., W)||James, Wing.-Com. A. W. H.||Salmon, Sir Isidore|
|Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Edgbaston)||Jamieson, Douglas||Samuel, Sir Arthur Michael (F'nham)|
|Chapman, Col. R. (Houghton-le-Spring)||Janner, Barnett||Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen)|
|Chapman, Sir Samuel (Edinburgh, S.)||Joel, Dudley J. Barnato||Sandeman, Sir A. N. Stewart|
|Clarry, Reginald George||Johnston, J. W. (Clackmannan)||Savery, Samuel Servington|
|Clayton, Dr. George C.||Jones, Lewis (Swansea, West)||Scone, Lord|
|Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D.||Kerr, Hamilton W.||Shaw, Captain William T. (Forfar)|
|Collins, Rt. Hon. Sir Godfrey||Kimball, Lawrence||Shepperson, Sir Ernest W.|
|Colville, Lieut.-Colonel J.||Knight, Holford||Shuts, Colonel J. J.|
|Cook, Thomas A.||Lamb, Sir Joseph Quinton||Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John|
|Cooke, Douglas||Lambert, Rt. Hon. George||Sinclair, Maj. Rt. Hn. Sir A.(C'thness)|
|Craddock, Sir Reginald Henry||Law, Sir Alfred||Smiles, Lieut.-Col. Sir Walter D.|
|Crooke, J. Smedley||Lees-Jones, John||Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam)|
|Crookshank, Col. C. de Windt (Bootle)||Leighton, Major B. E. P.||Smithers, Waldron|
|Crossley, A. C.||Levy, Thomas||Somervell, Donald Bradley|
|Culverwell, Cyril Tom||Lindsay, Noel Ker||Soper, Richard|
|Curry, A. C.||Llewellyn-Jones, Frederick||Sotheron-Estcourt, Captain T. E.|
|Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset, Yeovil)||Lloyd, Geoffrey||Southby, Commander Archibald R. J.|
|Davison, Sir William Henry||Lovat-Fraser, James Alexander||Spencer, Captain Richard A.|
|Denman, Hon. R. D.||Lumley, Captain Lawrence R.||Spender-Clay, Rt. Hon. Herbert H.|
|Dlckie, John P.||Lyons, Abraham Montagu||Stanley, Lord (Lancaster, Fylde)|
|Donner, P. W.||Mabane, William||Stanley Hon. O. F. G. (Westmorland)|
|Dower, Captain A. V. G.||MacAndrew, Lieut.-Col. C. G.(Partick)||Stewart, J. H. (Fife, E.)|
|Drewe, Cedric||McCorquodale, M. S.||Stones, James|
|Duckworth, George A. V.||MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Seaham)||Strickland, Captain W. F.|
|Duggan, Hubert John||McEwen, Captain J. H. F.||Stuart, Lord C. Crichton-|
|Duncan, James A. L. (Kensington, N.)||McKeag, William||Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray F.|
|Elliot, Major Rt. Hon. Walter E.||McKle, John Hamilton||Sugden, Sir Wilfrid Hart|
|Ellis, Sir R. Geoffrey||Maclay, Hon. Joseph Paton||Sutcllffe, Harold|
|Elliston, Captain George Sampson||McLean, Major Sir Alan||Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby)|
|Elmley, Viscount||McLean, Dr. W. H. (Tradeston)||Thomas, James P. L. (Hereford)|
|Emmott, Charles E. G. C.||Macmillan, Maurice Harold||Thompson, Luke|
|Ersklne, Lord (Weston-super-Mare)||Macquisten, Frederick Alexander||Titchfield, Major the Marquess of|
|Erskine-Bolst, Capt. C. C. (Blackpool)||Magnay, Thomas||Todd, Capt. A. J. K. (B'wick-on-T.)|
|Evans, Capt. Arthur (Cardiff, S.)||Maltland, Adam||Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement|
|Evans, R. T. (Carmarthen)||Maklns, Brigadier-General Ernest||Wallace, Captain D. E. (Hornsey)|
|Everard, W. Lindsay||Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R.||Wallace, John (Dunfermline)|
|Falle, Sir Bertram G.||Mason, David M. (Edinburgh, E.)||Ward, Lt.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull)|
|Flelden, Edward Brocklehurst||Mayhew, Lieut.-Colonel John||Wardlaw-Milne, Sir John S.|
|Fleming, Edward Lascelles||Meller, Richard James||Warrender, Sir Victor A. G.|
|Foot, Dingle (Dundee)||Mills, Sir Frederick (Leyton, E.)||Watt, Captain George Steven H.|
|Foot, Isaac (Cornwall, Bodmin)||Milne, Charles||Wedderburn, Henry James Scrymgeour|
|Fox, Sir Gifford||Mitchell, Harold P.(Br'tf'd & Chisw'k)||Weymouth, Viscount|
|Fraser, Captain Ian||Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham)||Whiteside, Borras Noel H.|
|Ganzoni, Sir John||Monsell, Rt. Hon. Sir B. Eyres||Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)|
|Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John||Moreing, Adrian C.||Williams, Herbert G. (Croydon, S.)|
|Gledhill, Gilbert||Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh)||Wilson, Clyde T. (West Toxteth)|
|Glossop, C. W. H.||Morrison, William Shepherd||Wolmer, Rt. Hon. Viscount|
|Gluckstein, Louis Halle||Moss, Captain H, J.||Womersley, Walter James|
|Goff, Sir Park||Muirhead, Major A. J.||Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir H. Kingsley|
|Goodman, Colonel Albert W.||Munro, Patrick||Wood, Sir Murdoch McKenzie (Banff)|
|Granville, Edgar||Murray-Philipson, Hylton Ralph||Worthington, Dr. John V.|
|Grattan-Doyle, Sir Nicholas||Nation, Brigadier-General J. J. H.||Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton (S'v'noaks)|
|Grlmston, R. V.||Nicholson, Godfrey (Morpeth)|
|Guest, Capt. Rt. Hon. F. E.||Nicholson, Rt. Hn. W. G. (Petersf'ld)||TELLERS FOR THE AYES|
|Guinness, Thomas L. E. B.||Normand, Wllfrid Guild||Sir Frederick Thomson and Sir|
|Gunston, Captain D. W.||Nunn, William||George Penny.|
|Guy, J. C. Morrison||Oman, Sir Charles William C.|
|Attlee, Clement Richard||Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton)||Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan)|
|Banfield, John William||Greenwood, Rt. Hon. Arthur||Mainwaring, William Henry|
|Batey, Joseph||Grenfell, David Rees (Glamorgan)||Maxton, James|
|Bevan, Aneurin (Ebbw Vale)||Hall, George H. (Merthyr Tydvil)||Owen, Major Goronwy|
|Brown. C. W. E. (Notts., Mansfield)||Hirst, George Henry||Parkinson, John Allen|
|Buchanan, George||Jenkins, Sir William||Price, Gabriel|
|Cape, Thomas||John, William||Smith, T. (Normanton)|
|Cocks, Frederick Seymour||Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown)||Thorne, William James|
|Daggar, George||Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly)||Tinker, John Joseph|
|Davies, David L. (Pontypridd)||Kirkwood, David||Williams, Dr. John H. (Lianelly)|
|Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton)||Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George||Williams, Thomas (York, Don Valley)|
|Edwards, Charles||Lawson, John James|
|George, Megan A. Lloyd (Anglesea)||Lunn, William||TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—|
|Mr. Groves and Mr. C. Macdonald.|
Bill read a Second time, and committed to a Standing Committee.