HC Deb 21 June 1933 vol 279 cc748-50
18. Miss RATHBONE

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how much money is being spent by the Govern- ment of Kenya Colony on the education of African boys and African girls, respectively?

Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTER

The form in which the statistics of the Kenya Education Department are compiled does not enable me to furnish the information desired.

Captain CROOKSHANK

Is it not true to say that we ought never to measure the value of education merely by the amount of money that is spent on it?

Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTER

I am not sure whether that is intended to be a reflection on the public schools or not.

Mr. KIRKWOOD

Will the right hon. Gentleman see to it that the native boys and girls here are as well educated as is possible?

Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTER

I think I have enough to do to look after education in the Colonial Empire.

Mr. KIRKWOOD

I mean as far as his Office will permit.

Mr. SPEAKER

The hon. Member's supplementary question does not arise out of the question on the Paper.

19. Miss RATHBONE

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether his attention has been drawn to the statement in the annual report of the education department of Kenya Colony for 1931 that practically no provision is being made for African girls at Government schools in the Colony except for a small number of girls at a single school, and that the suggested appointment of an organising inspectress of girls' education has not been carried out; and if he will take steps to deal with these defects?

Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTER

I am aware of the paragraphs in the Kenya education report upon which the first part of the question is based. The local Government is fully alive to the importance of providing educational facilities for native girls, but, in the present state of the Colony's finances, any increase of expenditure is, unfortunately, out of the question. The hon. Member is no doubt aware that nearly 38,000 native girls attended mission schools, many of which receive grants-in-aid from Government.

Miss RATHBONE

Could the right hon. Gentleman say what principle underlies the practice of dealing with the education of the boys directly through Government schools, and leaving the girls to the missions? Is the theory that Christianity matters more to the girls, or that education matters less?

Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTER

That would be a series of false deductions based, if I may say so, upon false premises.

Miss HORSBRUGH

Is it that the girls are more intelligent, so that it is not necessary to spend so much money upon them as upon the boys?

Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTER

I expect that that, as in this country, varies from girl to girl.

Mr. KIRKWOOD

May I ask the right hon. Gentleman how he squares his present answer with that which he gave to my supplementary question just now —that he had plenty to do in managing the Colonial Office, without interfering with the education of the children?

Sir P. CUNLIFFE-LISTER

I did not say that. I said that I was responsible for education in the Colonies, and not in this country.