HC Deb 25 July 1933 vol 280 cc2384-5
3. Mr. GODFREY NICHOLSON

asked the Secretary for Mines whether he is aware that the Northumberland and Durham miners' permanent relief fund has been compelled to cease the payment of pensions to aged miners owing to the depressed state of the industry; and whether he will take such steps as are necessary to enable the Miners' Welfare Fund to make grants to this and similar funds?

Mr. E. BROWN

The answer to the first part of the question is, Yes. With regard to the second part, the Miners' Welfare Committee has been advised that such an object is not within the scope of the fund as at present constituted. Amending legislation would, therefore, be required to make grants for such a purpose permissible. My hon. Friend is no doubt aware that the recent Departmental Committee of Inquiry into the Miners' Welfare Fund advised against the extension of the scope of the fund in this direction, both as a matter of principle and also on actuarial grounds, even if the output levy were to continue at the penny rate. As I announced last April, it has been decided to introduce a Bill at an early opportunity to reduce the amount of the levy to one halfpenny, and in those circumstances I cannot see any possibility of extending the scope of the fund to pension schemes.

Mr. NICHOLSON

Cannot the hon. Gentleman hold out any hope for these aged miners?

Mr. BROWN

I am aware of the difficulty. My hon. Friend will understand that the representative of the Miners' Federation on the Departmental Committee, while advising an extension of the principle in a minority report, specifically advised against it in the event of the levy being reduced.

Mr. NICHOLSON

Can the hon. Member suggest any way in which these miners could be helped?

Mr. BROWN

None at all.

Mr. GORDON MACDONALD

Did not the minority report also recommend the continuance of the ld., and is this not an argument for continuing the levy at ld.?

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