HC Deb 14 June 1932 vol 267 cc194-7

May I ask the Lord President of the Council how far he proposes to go this evening?


There is no change in the business as announced on Thursday. We hope to take the National Health Insurance (Contributory Pensions) Bill, Committee stage, and the Report and Third Reading of the Hire Purchase and Small Debt (Scotland) Bill.


How long does the right hon. Gentleman propose to sit, because last night getting as far as we did took up a great deal of time?


That shows how dangerous it is to make statements as to one's intentions, because very often a man on this bench proposes and the House disposes.


Does the right hon. Gentleman intend to keep the House very late in order to get the Scottish Bill through?


Perhaps I may go as far as this. We certainly intend to get the first Order, but we do not propose to keep the House unduly late over the second.


On Thursday I asked the Prime Minister if he thought two days was an adequate allowance for the Committee stage of this controversial Measure. His view was that it was. The progress made yesterday indicates that it was not a very adequate allowance. The Prime Minister also said that he did not propose to keep the House unduly late upon it, and I think it would be for the convenience of every one if the Lord President of the Council could give some indication of the hour at which he proposes to let the House away assuming that the Committee stage has not been completed.


I have said nothing but what was said by the Prime Minister.

The Prime Minister said that he would not propose to keep the House unduly late over the matter of the Hire Purchase and Small Debt (Scotland) Bill, and I entirely agree, as I ought, with the Prime Minister that two Parliamentary days are sufficient time for a discussion of the proposals which, though important, are limited in the Bill before the Committee. I certainly must ask the House to conclude, whatever the hour, the Committee stage of the National Health Insurance and Contributory Pensions Bill.

Motion made, and Question put, That the Proceedings on Government Business be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[Mr. Baldwin.]

The House divided: Ayes, 285; Noes, 42.

Division No. 232.] AYES. [3.43 p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Conant, R. J. E. Grattan-Doyle, Sir Nicholas
Adams, Samuel Vyvyan T. (Leeds, W.) Cook, Thomas A. Griffith, F. Kingsley (Middlesbro', W.)
Agnew, Lieut.-Com. P. G. Cooke, Douglas Gunston, Captain D. W.
Allen, Lt.-Col J. Sandeman (B'k'nh'd) Cooper, A. Duff Guy, J. C. Morrison
Allen, William (Stoke-on-Trent) Copeland, Ida Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H.
Anstruther-Gray, W. J. Craddock. Sir Reginald Henry Hales, Harold K.
Applin, Lieut.-Col. Reginald V. K. Cranborne, Viscount Hamilton, Sir George (Word)
Aske, Sir Robert William Craven-Ellis, William Hamilton, Sir R.W.(Orkney & Z'tl'nd)
Astor, Viscountess (Plymouth, Sutton) Crooke, J. Smedley Hanley, Dennis A.
Atholl, Duchess of Crookshank, Col. C. do Windt (Bootle) Hartington, Marquess of
Atkinson. Cyril Crossley, A. C. Hartland, George A.
Baillie, Sir Adrian W. M. Cruddas, Lieut.-Colonel Bernard Haslam, Sir John (Bolton)
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Curry, A. C. Headlam, Lieut.-Col. Cuthbert M.
Balniel, Lord Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset, Yeovil) Heilgers, Captain F. F. A.
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Davison, Sir William Henry Henderson, Sir Vivian L. (Chelmsf'd)
Barrie, Sir Charles Coupar Denman, Hon. R. D. Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P
Barton, Capt. Basil Kelsey Denville, Alfred Hills, Major Rt. Hon. John Waller
Beaumont. M. w. (Bucks, Aylesbury) Despencer-Robertson, Major J. A. F. Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G.
Beaumont, Hon. R.E.B. (Portem'th,C.) Dickie, John P. Holdsworth, Herbert
Betterton, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry B. Donner, P. W. Hope, Sydney (Chester, stalybridge)
Blaker, Sir Reginald Doran, Edward Hore-Belisha, Leslie
Blindell, James Drewe, Cedric Hornby, Frank
Boulton, W. W. Dugdale, Captain Thomas Lionel Horsbrugh, Florence
Bowyer, Capt. Sir George E. W. Duggan, Hubert John Howard, Tom Forrest
Boyce, H. Leslie Duncan. James A. L. (Kensington, N.) Howitt, Dr. Altred B.
Braithwaite, J. G. (Hillsborough) Dunglass, Lord Hudson, Capt. A. U. M.(Hackney, N.)
Briscoe, Capt. Richard George Eden, Robert Anthony Hudson, Robert Spear (Southport)
Broadbent, Colonel John Elliot, Major Rt. Hon. Walter E. Hume, Sir George Hopwood
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Ellis, Sir R. Geoffrey Hunter, Dr. Joseph (Dumfries)
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Elliston, Captain George Sampson Hunter, Capt. M. J. (Brigg)
Browne, Captain A. C. Elmley, Viscount Hurd, Sir Percy
Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T. Emmott, Charles E. G. C. Jamieson. Douglas
Burghley, Lord Emrys-Evans, P. V. Janner, Barnett
Burnett, John George Erskine, Lord (Weston-super-Mare) Jesson, Major Thomas E.
Butler, Richard Austen Erskine-Bolst, Capt. C. C. (Blackpool) Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth)
Cadogan, Hon. Edward Essenhigh, Reginald Clare Jones, Lewis (Swansea, West)
Campbell, Edward Taswell (Bromley) Everard, W. Lindsay Ker, J. Campbell
Campbell-Johnston, Malcolm Falle, Sir Bertram G. Kerr, Hamilton W.
Castlereagh, Viscount Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst Kirkpatrick, William M.
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Foot, Dingle (Dundee) Knatchbull, Captain Hon. M. H. R.
Cayzer, Sir Charles (Chester, City) Foot, Isaac (Cornwall, Bodmin) Knight, Holford
Cayzer, Maj. Sir H. R. (Prtsmth, S.) Fraser, Captain Ian Law, Sir Alfred
Chalmers, John Rutherford Fuller, Captain A. G. Leech, Dr. J. W.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. Sir J. A. (Birm., W) Ganzoni, Sir John Lees-Jones, John
Chapman, Col. R. (Houghton-le-Spring) Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Lennox-Boyd, A. T.
Christie, James Archibald Gledhill, Gilbert Levy, Thomas
Clarke, Frank Gluckstein, Louis Halle Lewis, Oswald
Clayton, Dr. George C. Glyn, Major Ralph G. C. Liddall, Walter S.
Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. Goff, Sir Park Lindsay, Noel Ker
Colfox, Major William Philip Graham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.) Lister, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Cunliffe
Llewellin, Major John J. Patrick, Colin M. Smithers, Waldron
Llewellyn-Jones, Frederick Peake, Captain Osbert Somervell, Donald Bradley
Locker-Lampson, Rt. Hn. G. (Wd, Gr'n) Pearson, William G. Somerville, Annesley A. (Windsor)
Loder, Captain J. de Vere Peat, Charles U. Southby, Commander Archibald R. J.
Lovat-Fraser, James Alexander Perkins, Walter R. D. Spencer, Captain Richard A.
Lumley, Captain Lawrence Ft. Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) Spender-Clay, Rt. Hon. Herbert H.
Mabane, William Peto, Geoffrey K.(W'verh'pt'n, Blliton) Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westmorland)
MacAndrew, Maj. C. G. (Partick) Pickering, Ernest H. Stevenson, James
MacAndrew, Capt. J. O. (Ayr) Pike, Cecil F. Storty, Samuel
McEwen, Captain J. H. F. Potter, John Stourton, Hon. John J.
McKeag, William Procter, Major Henry Adam Strauss, Edward A.
Maclay, Hon. Joseph Paton Ramsay, Capt. A. H. M. (Midlothian) Strickland, Captain W. F.
McLean, Major Alan Ramsay, T. B. W. (Western Isles) Stuart, Lord C. Crichton-
McLean, Dr. W. H. (Tradeston) Ramsbotham, Herwald Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Macquisten, Frederick Alexander Ramsden, E. Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray F.
Magnay, Thomas Rathbone, Eleanor Summersby, Charles H.
Maitland, Adam Rea, Walter Russell Taylor, Vice-Admiral E.A.(P'dd'gt'n, S.)
Makins, Brigadier-General Ernest Reed, Arthur C. (Exeter) Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby)
Mallalieu, Edward Lancelot Reid, Capt. A. Cunningham Thomas, James P L. (Hereford)
Mander, Geoffrey le M. Reid, David D. (County Down) Thompson, Luke
Manningham-Buller, Lt.-Col. Sir M. Reid, William Allan (Derby) Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Margesson, Capt. Henry David R. Remer, John R. Touche, Gordon Cosmo
Martin, Thomas B. Roberts. Aled (Wrexham) Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Mellor, Richard James Rosbotham, S. T. Turton, Robert Hugh
Millar, Sir James Duncan Ross, Ronald D. Vaughan-Morgan, Sir Kenyon
Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest) Ross Taylor, Walter (Woodbridge) Wallace, John (Dunfermline)
Milne, Charles Ruggles-Brise, Colonel E. A. Ward, Lt.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull)
Milne, Sir John S. Wardlaw- Russell, Albert (Kirkcaldy) Ward, Irene Mary Bewick (Wallsend)
Mitchell, Harold P.(Br'tf'd & Chisw'k) Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) Ward, Sarah Adelaide (Cannock)
Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) Rutherford, Sir John Hugo Warrender, Sir Victor A. G.
Moore, Lt.-Col. Thomas C. R. (Ayr) Salmon, Major Isidore Watt, Captain George Steven H.
Morris, John Patrick (Salford, N.) Salt, Edward W. Weymouth, Viscount
Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh) Samuel, Sir Arthur Michael (F'nham) White Henry Graham
Moss, Captain H. J. Sandeman, Sir A. N. Stewart Whiteside, Borras Noel H.
Muirhead, Major A. J. Savery, Samuel Servington Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Munro, Patrick Scone, Lord Williams, Herbert G. (Croydon, S.)
Nail-Cain, Arthur Ronald N. Shakespeare, Geoffrey H. Wills, Wilfrid D.
Nation, Brigadler-General J. J. H. Shaw, Helen B. (Lanark, Bothwell) Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Nicholson, Godfrey (Morpeth) Shepperson, Sir Ernest W. Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Nicholson, Rt. Hn. W. G. (Petersf'ld) Simmonds, Oliver Edwin Womersley, Walter James
Normand, Wilfrid Guild Sinclair, Maj. Rt. Hn. Sir A.(C'thness) Wood, Sir Murdoch McKenzie (Banff)
North, Captain Edward T, Skelton, Archibald Noel Worthington, Dr. John V.
Nunn, William Slater, John Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton (S'v'noaks)
O'Connor, Terence James Smiles, Lieut.-Col. Sir Walter D.
O'Neill, Rt. Hon. Sir Hugh Smith, Bracewell (Dulwich) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.
Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William G.A. Smith-Carington, Neville W. Sir Frederick Thomson and Sir George Penny.
Adams, D. M. (Poplar, South) Grundy, Thomas W. Maclean, Neil (Glasgow, Govan)
Attlee, Clement Richard Hall, F. (York, W.R., Normanton) Maxton, James
Batey, Joseph Hall, George H (Merthyr Tydvil) Milner, Major James
Buchanan, George Hirst, George Henry Parkinson, John Allen
Cape, Thomas Jenkins. Sir William Salter, Dr. Alfred
Cocks, Frederick Seymour John, William Thorne, William James
Cripps, Sir Stafford Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown) Tinker, John Joseph
Daggar, George Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Wallhead, Richard C.
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Kirkwood, David Williams, David (Swansea, East)
Duncan, Charles (Derby, Claycross) Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George Williams, Edward John (Ogmore)
Edwards, Charles Lawson, John James Williams, Dr. John H. (Llanelly)
Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) Leonard, William Williams, Thomas (York, Don Valley)
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. Arthur Logan, David Gilbert
Grenfell, David Rees (Glamorgan) Lunn, William TELLERS FOR THE NOES.
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) McGovern, John Mr. Gordon Macdonald and Mr. Groves.